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fisherman66

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While I have made a conscience effort to avoid politics on this board I have let a few snide comments fly. For that I am sorry. Instead of dropping hints I will just come out and say I am a Democrat. However, my salient issues, that compel me to believe the way I do are less firearm related and more church vs. state and women's right to choose. That said, I think some people have no business having arms. I think we really see more eye to eye on this topic than you might think at this point. Violent felons obviously have no business owning guns. I fully support the concept that children should not have ownership (direct) of firearms, however I have absolutly no problem with children being benifical owners (parent's possess or hold the firearm.) I think rural children for the most part are responsible to use guns without direct supervision (I'm not sure how to define rural; and I see the quandy here.) I read yesterday that a ccw licence holder has made immature choices and has frequently and purposefully flashed his carry in an attempt to impress others. OK, that guy passed his test, but has not taken the responsibility seriously. I don't think he has any business carrying. I support the state's rights to make decisions to limit the number of idiots, as mentioned in the previous example, that carry. How? beats me. I'd like to carry without going through the process. I have no doubt I would take it seriously and do my best to represent this population well. Obviously I can't have my cake and eat it too. So, I accept that I will have to take the class that doen't effientlydo it's job (but is better than nothing at sorting the wheat from the chaff.)

Well, there you go. You know a little more about me. You have a "D" among you. I don't see any sense going into my salient issues. It would be way OT. I have a strong understanding that firearms built and protected this country and must stay. I know if guns are banned the felons would be the only ones that had ready access to them (besides LE). Thanks for listening.
 
Hi, Fish,

I am an "R" but have big disagreements with other Rs in the church and women's areas. :)

I don't go to church any more. Makes more time for scouting, hunting, birdwatching, etc. I could go in other places I have lived but not Ohio. :)

I would say however that my experiences have very much deepened my faith. :)

Annie the lazy on Sunday, sitting in the woods by my Favorite Tree
 
There is something Waldenesque about sitting in nature and enjoying the glory of that fragile yet resiliant place. I also feel more spiritual connecting the dots of nature or taking a piece of that home for my sustenence.
 
I feel the same way. My job is extremely demanding intellectually and I am also the sole caregiver for my Mom who appears to be failing now. So I take my crossbow or .410 in the woods, or just my binoculars and camera and sit under my favorite shagbark hickory and I feel so much a part of LIFE again. :)

I hope to get a small apartment-freezer-sized doe this year. I have my tree stands all set up and have practiced so I am not so scared up there (they are not very high, about 6 feet, enough to be at eye level with the top of the knoll where the trails cross).

Last week I survived the Big One, I accidentally dry fired my crossbow. It is true what they say about God protecting the stupid. I wasn't hurt and the bow is okay. whew. :)
 
I will just come out and say I am a Democrat
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Why would you be a memeber of a party, that goes to such lengths to take away your 2nd amendment rights?
church vs. state
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This whole "church vs. state" nonsense is leftist propaganda of the first order. The first 150 years of the republic saw a much more religous nation, nearly 100% Christian too, yet it didn't become the "theocracy" that the left scares you with.
women's right to choose
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What about the right to choose to carry a handgun? The democrats don't support that choice, do they? I don't buy this Orwellian "pro-choice" nonsense, the only choice they support is abortion, every other choice you might make they want to make for you.
 
Why would you be a memeber of a party, that goes to such lengths to take away your 2nd amendment rights?
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It is less meaningful to me that the other issues that cause me to vote the way I do. In addition, I don't believe it is possible to resend a right guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.

This whole "church vs. state" nonsense is leftist propaganda of the first order. The first 150 years of the republic saw a much more religous nation, nearly 100% Christian too, yet it didn't become the "theocracy" that the left scares you with.
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I am not a religious or Christian person. However; I am a spiritual person and believe in Transendentialism. I think be break between church and state promises to avoid a situation not unlike Ireland or the clashes seen between Muslim sects. I find it difficult to use ingrained ceremony and habit to lead to spiritual revitialization.


What about the right to choose to carry a handgun? The democrats don't support that choice, do they? I don't buy this Orwellian "pro-choice" nonsense, the only choice they support is abortion, every other choice you might make they want to make for you.
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If fully support the right for responsible citizens to carry a handgun. I'm not seeing your connection from this to abortion.

I don't understand how a bunch of wealthy men in Washington can put themselves in the shoes of typically disadvantaged women. I do not support abortion. I support the right of women to abort. You may not see the difference, as it is fine; but it is important to me.
 
In addition, I don't believe it is possible to resend a right guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.
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The democrats are trying their best to make gun ownership illegal, isn't that recinding a right, if you go to jail for exercising it?
I find it difficult to use ingrained ceremony and habit to lead to spiritual revitialization.
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Which is your right, and no one is trying to take from you. Yet the liberal/left is in full scale assault on Christians and their values, don't they deserve the same protections as any others?
I'm not seeing your connection from this to abortion.
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Then why did you say pro-choice, rather then pro-abortion?
I support the right of women to abort.
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I think abortion should be legal. However, I question if it's a consitutional right. Considering the "eminance of a penumbra" legalistic gymnastics they had to go through, I doubt even the Supreme Court thought it was a real right.
 
fish,

You have a chance to convince the other dems that gun ownership is a necessary thing. They won't listen to most republicans. I know a few democrats who actually believe all guns should be removed from the public completely.

Please do us a favor. Find these people and knock some sense into them. I've tried, but I'm an "evil republican" and they refuse to listen to anything I have to say.
 
why align yourself to a specific party at all? support the politicians that share your views and you'll have to less to worry about in terms of compromises, no? maybe I'm wrong..

I voted for Zel Miller when I lived in Georgia. He's a Democrat and many of his stances (at least back then) were right along with the party line, but he still held some very conservative views.

I'd rather just vote for individuals who agree with me as opposed to parties.
I'll never vote for a candidate that would take away the right to bear arms and sooner than I would vote for a candidate that would take away the right to free speech or that thinks our government has any right to deny gay marriage or abortion or stem cell research.

I'm sure Rebar will jump down my throat for this (love ya buddy! <3 ) but if I had to choose a party only the Libertarians share my views...mostly. I may not have ever met Badnarik but I agree with the guy on every issue he brings up (at least the stances that are claimed on his website).

But I don't see the benefit in voting strictly across a party line.
 
The democrats are trying their best to make gun ownership illegal, isn't that recinding a right, if you go to jail for exercising it?
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I have more invested trust in the supreme court judges than I do in ANY politician. It could require a test I admit, but I believe the document would hold. I am not in support of the AWB and the irrational laws of writ that surrounds it.

Yet the liberal/left is in full scale assault on Christians and their values, don't they deserve the same protections as any others?
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I admit I am somewhat isolated. Could you give me an example?

Then why did you say pro-choice, rather then pro-abortion?
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I say "choice" because I have no vested interest in abortion, but I do have a vested interest in rights.

I think abortion should be legal. However, I question if it's a consitutional right. Considering the "eminance of a penumbra" legalistic gymnastics they had to go through, I doubt even the Supreme Court thought it was a real right.
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I agree that abortion in and of itself is not likely or even appropriate for the consitution. A broader stroke of rights of the individual, pertaining to the body, would be in order (perhaps also opening up medical research for life saving research trials - which I find the FDA excessively stringent.)
 
Redworm: "why align yourself to a specific party at all? support the politicians that share your views and you'll have to less to worry about in terms of compromises, no? maybe I'm wrong.."

as a Republican who has become almost as disgusted with the Republican party as the Democratic party, that's what I've decided to do. Especially on the local and state level.
 
why align yourself to a specific party at all? support the politicians that share your views and you'll have to less to worry about in terms of compromises, no? maybe I'm wrong..
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You are right. I find I have more proclivities toward the democratic party, but I would not limit myself by that myopia.
 
I don't believe it is possible to rescind a right guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.
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That's a good thing fisherman. However, the people in control of your party right now don't believe the same way.

The Democrat Party can use more like you who can change it from within. I suspect there are more Democrats that relate to Zell Miller and John F. Kennedy (who espoused some very conservative ideas, like tax cuts) than they do Schumer or Feinstein and their ilk.

I do not support abortion. I support the right of women to abort. You may not see the difference, as it is fine; but it is important to me.
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I think I see where you are going with this one. You support the individual's right to make a choice without interference. What they're are making a choice about is a separate matter.
 
They teach Islam and the Koran in schools... yet any reference Christianity is being removed from everywhere possible.

There's your assault.

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"We can't even mention the name of Jesus in the public schools," Lemings laments, "but ... they teach Islam as the true religion, and students are taught about Islam and how to pray to Allah. Can you imagine the barrage of lawsuits and problems we would have from the ACLU if Christianity were taught in the public schools, and if we tried to teach about the contributions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and the Apostle Paul? But when it comes to furthering the Islamic religion in the public schools, there is not one word from the ACLU, People for the American Way or anybody else. This is hypocrisy."
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I am a Democrat who beleives in the 2nd Amendment. I am also an NRA life member.I didnt vote for Clinton and have voted for several Republicans as president. I dont vote a straight Democratic ticket.
 
I find that method of teaching highly offensive (if it is not a twist of media agenda). But, I fully support a multi-cultural curriculium, unbiased toward any religion or any beliefs that do not fit easily into the category of religion (agnosticism, ect.)

Is California really part of the US?

I thought Arnold was a Repulican. Nothing in that report indicts or indicated that democrats were behind that.
 
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What about the right to choose to carry a handgun? The democrats don't support that choice, do they? I don't buy this Orwellian "pro-choice" nonsense, the only choice they support is abortion, every other choice you might make they want to make for you.


This is SO POWERFUL and TRUE that it just demanded to be repeated.

If I were a woman, weighing the relative importance of the right to choose an abortion and the right to choose the means to defend my very LIFE, you probably can guess which would come out on top.

As a woman (if I were one), I could take numerous steps (i.e. "take responsibility) to make sure I didn't end up with an unwanted pregnancy in the first place. I could pretty easily make sure I didn't even end up having to make the "choice."

But what can one do to "choose" to never be attacked by a criminal -- a robber, rapist, or murderer? You can't make that "choice": that's why you get a gun to be able to protect yourself if it happens.

So I would "choose" to have a gun, and I would sooner miss being free to make that choice than I would likely miss the choice to abort a pregnancy (an idea I am finding more and more deplorable as time goes on).

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