This Really Gets To Me .... Hunting Caliber Discussion.

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riverwalker76 " believe that the .223 and similar cartridge are more than capable of killing any medium game here in the U.S. If the U.S. military trusts it as their primary cartridge for their purpose then why wouldn't it be good for a 100 to 140 pound deer?"

Sir, you are quite correct in your assertion. however please remember that a military cartridge and use is not the same as a clean kill on a deer. in point of fact it is often preferable to incapacitate your enemy rather than outright kill them. the reasoning is simple, a wounded man typically provides a greater reduction in combat power of your enemy.

now i have taken deer with a .223 and finished off deer with a well placed .22LR. i agree that simply stating that ANY cartridge is the best is closed mindedness. we live in fine times where one can choose of many solutions to the same problem.

my first "deer" rifle that i bought was chambered in .300 win mag. i had fired a shooting buddies and liked it and the accuracy i was able to attain. my thought process was that i would be able to use it for deer or elk, and anything else i wanted to hunt. there is an old saying "beware the man with only one rifle.....for he knows it". now a few weeks ago a fine gent walked into my local gun shop (the proprietor and i are "old army buddies") wishing to sell his used .300 win mag. he had heard it was overpowered. while true it may have more power than he needs now. it is bought and paid for, practiced with, and has the attachment of having filled his meat locker many times. he also wasnt aware of the reduced recoil/power loads that have been placed on the market in recent years. a fine way i think to expand the range of the tools you have.

just my few thoughts (a rare occourance indeed)
 
Texas complex ----- bigger is better......

I don't know why anyone would look down at a .270, though --- it's just fine for non-lethal prey at medium distances.

I was supposed to go to elk camp with a guy - who kept talking about bigger being better (he hunts with a 338 - which I think is overkill). I got tired of the noise, and found my own hunting spot - without the bigger/better crowd.
 
If I was ever able to get the time and money to take a hunting trip up there then I may agree with you. Until then I have killed more than my fair share of deer and hogs with a remington 78 sportsman when I was growing up and that was my big rifle and it was extremely rare that I needed more than one bullet. Now on the other hand me being a law abiding citizen have never personally shot well over 30 deer with a browning lever action 22lr open sights using cheap federal hollow points from walmart in the 550 boxes. I just heard of people that have done such things and to be frank its not that uncommon where I live ( killing deer and other game with a 22lr ) I just don't do it because im a law abiding citizen :)



I forgot to say that the sportsman was.. 223
 
I don't think the decision to use a cartridge for standard military purposes is much of an argument for it's choice as a hunting round. They have obvious considerations that don't apply to hunting.

What would you rather take your chances with from some sniper, a marksman with a 300 Magnum or a 223 ? If somebody was actually shooting at you, you would pick the 223. Every time.
 
I agree that the military looks at totally different things than a hunter does when he chooses his rifle but if the said sniper was within let's say 300 meters does it really matter if its a 223 or a 300 ( assuming he has a good line of sight ) either way you will be just as dead

Not trying to get off point and I may be seriously naive but I don't think there is a animal on the planet that can survive a well placed 5.56 bullet..those things are just plain deadly
 
Go get a nice .30-06 or a .270. One can buy ammo anywhere; there's a gagillion different makes/weights/bullet configurations and you can hunt anything in north America.
 
If your shot placement is so poor that you have to use a small caliber cartridge to avoid meat damage then I suppose there is a case for using something on the low end of the range.

See, and I thought it was that people used calibers that were too big or too powerful (e.g., the magnums) to compensate for less than ideal shot placement so as to be able to drop the animal more readily via massive blood loss. Silly me.
 
See, and I thought it was that people used calibers that were too big or too powerful (e.g., the magnums) to compensate for less than ideal shot placement so as to be able to drop the animal more readily via massive blood loss. Silly me.


Just my counter to all the anti-magnum religion that the gun rag writers have convinced the sheep is the cool thing now.

If a man wants to kill a deer with a 300 Win Mag it will work fine, I promise.
 
So will a 22lr

Yep. I've killed a bunch of 350 pound domestic hogs with a 22 LR, but the state law says I have to use a centerfire on a 120 pound doe.


Note. I'm not suggesting a 22 LR as a deer round. But, I have killed several deer with a bow that I could just as easily have killed at that distance with a 22 between the eyes.
 
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where do people get this preconceived notion that .300 WinMag is the best whitetail deer caliber?

Didn't you know it's because most deer have grown armor plating and it gets thicker as they age.:D

What you hear in a Gun Shop should be taken with a grain of salt.

Very good advice. Just like any other salesman, they are trying to make money selling what they have in the store. If you were to ask a car salesman's opinion on which car make or model they think is best it will end up being the one sitting on their lot.
 
so true, many folks look for a hardware solution to a software problem. shot placement counts as we all know more than a big fast bullet.

buzzard i got a good laugh out of yours....air strike LOL
 
I have used a .300 Win Mag (150 gr.) on whitetail for 15 years. None have gone over five yards. None were tagged by other hunters and since I put the bullet in the heart/lung area no major loss of meat has occurred. I've seen lesser calibers fail miserably on large Wisconsin whitetails. I just got a .270 Winchester this year I'll use. This is THE other perfect whitetail caliber.

And since I can't afford a dozen guns the .300 has served me well on elk, mule deer and black bear.
 
If it'll bust Bambi's neck, it's big enough. If it's uncomfortable for your shoulder, it's too big. I never saw anybody get awarded a trophy for withstanding the greatest amount of recoil.
 
Pick one you like...

I read in a real, page-turning magazine from years ago...before there was an internet...
'there's about 31 different calibers that'll kill a deer, and the deer won't know or care which one killed it'.

So, read a lot, ask questions, form an opinion and get what you like!:D
Somebody's bound to disagree with you!;)

I chose a 7mm Rem.Mag.; a .308; a .30-06; a .375 RUM; and a .45-70.
Now I can have all kinds of opinions!

FUN. :)
 
Next time I see a deer I'm calling for an air strike or maybe I should dial 911 those deer are mighty

That's not necessary BB, you just need a nice little Stuart with it's 37mm main gun, that way you could kill it, partition it and cook it all at the same time. (LOL)

Geez guys, your going to kill it no mater what you shoot it with. That statement has one condition to it, you have to actually hit it with a bullet.

Jim
 
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