fisherman66
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The term "cultural bias" is a better way of constructing the issue. The problem could be much more difficult to solve if one is outside the reloading culture.
This is just pathetic. Affirmative Action run Amok
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The term "cultural bias" is a better way of constructing the issue. The problem could be much more difficult to solve if one is outside the reloading culture.
fisherman66
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I'm not interested in debating the value of constucting unbiased tests for adults entering certain careers. We would probably share similar viewpoints.
However; I feel that for ESL student who are new to the country, an amount of attention should be payed to cultural bias when evaluating them for learning disabilities or gifted programs.
This is a classic example of an "effects test." Since there is a smaller percentage of minorities on the police force than in the population, there "must" be discrimination because minorities don't have equal representation. Regardless of the reason for the numeric difference, the only issue is to work backwards to determine the "reason" for the "obviously" discriminatory result.
Effects tests are a sneaky way to turn affirmative action into a quota system. It does not matter how hard you try to be fair to everyone, you are deemed to be discriminating in some way until you achieve the "right" results.
Effects tests are a sneaky way to turn affirmative action into a quota system. It does not matter how hard you try to be fair to everyone, you are deemed to be discriminating in some way until you achieve the "right" results.
Good point. It'd be interesting to see more of the questions on this test. It's quite difficult to make a math question culturally biased if the question is phrased properly. Like I said of the example above: even a guy who's never ridden or seen a train in his life could answer the question because the numbers will mean the same regardless of the situation they're put into.
Was there a point or do you like arguing with me for your own personal pleasure?
oh and technically bull**** would = (1b)(1u)(2l)(1s)(1h)(1i)(1t)
Mister_Dinky
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"In a letter to the city released Wednesday, the Justice Department said its findings were based on results of a math test administered to all entry-level police officers.
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Let me get this straight. The sum of 2+2 is variable depending upon the race of the applicant and the PD in question failed to allow for that according to the Justice Department? Truly Kafkaesque.
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Let me get this straight. The sum of 2+2 is variable depending upon the race of the applicant and the PD in question failed to allow for that according to the Justice Department? Truly Kafkaesque.
Justice dept run amock
Obviously they don't want someone with a large IQ. They will just do what they're told and don't ask questions. That does lead to a smarter department with the ability to discern. Also a lack of communication skills like under standing our language fully. It probably goes against state charter.
Obviously they don't want someone with a large IQ. They will just do what they're told and don't ask questions. That does lead to a smarter department with the ability to discern. Also a lack of communication skills like under standing our language fully. It probably goes against state charter.
FirstFreedom
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azredhawk is exactly correct. This is complete absurdity. I've heard of ebonics (language), but I've never heard of "ebono-nomics" (alternative ethnic math). And what kind of strange clocks do other cultures use? How should they re-word the time question?
miconoakisland
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I think that lowering entrance requirements based on racial differences is an insult to minorities.
To me, this just reinforces racist thought.
Affirmative Action is racist. To believe that minorities need to have lower standards, in order to qualify equally, is stating that minorities are inferior!
Every single industry is trying to attract more minority employees, but to lower basic standards to acheive that goal should be demeaning to minorities.
Equal rights is a worthy goal, but to adjust minimum standards, based on race, in order to acheive a pre-set level of a racial make-up of employees is the wrong way to go.
Each man/woman is equal, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference, nation of origin, etc.. To not hire the best in the interest of parity is the start of a company's downfall.
I attended a minority college and was eligible for a minority scholarship, but refused on the basic principle. I don't believe in benefits because of race because it assumes inferiority of certain races.
Racism will never be eliminated so long as minimum standards are based on race.
To me, this just reinforces racist thought.
Affirmative Action is racist. To believe that minorities need to have lower standards, in order to qualify equally, is stating that minorities are inferior!
Every single industry is trying to attract more minority employees, but to lower basic standards to acheive that goal should be demeaning to minorities.
Equal rights is a worthy goal, but to adjust minimum standards, based on race, in order to acheive a pre-set level of a racial make-up of employees is the wrong way to go.
Each man/woman is equal, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference, nation of origin, etc.. To not hire the best in the interest of parity is the start of a company's downfall.
I attended a minority college and was eligible for a minority scholarship, but refused on the basic principle. I don't believe in benefits because of race because it assumes inferiority of certain races.
Racism will never be eliminated so long as minimum standards are based on race.
garand_shooter
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Posted by miconoakisland
Do you mean to say that one should only want that which they have earned? That one should not seek preferential treatment? What a revolutionary thought in this day and age. You sir, are worthy of respect.
Do you mean to say that one should only want that which they have earned? That one should not seek preferential treatment? What a revolutionary thought in this day and age. You sir, are worthy of respect.
Affirmative action has perverse consequences.
Several years ago I had the opportunity to talk to the Chairman of the Board of a minority bank about hiring a new president. I was surprised when he said he was looking for a white man for the job. When I asked him why he wasn't looking for a minority, he told me that smart, honest minorities could make more money as token minorities at big companies than his small bank could afford to pay.
Several years ago I had the opportunity to talk to the Chairman of the Board of a minority bank about hiring a new president. I was surprised when he said he was looking for a white man for the job. When I asked him why he wasn't looking for a minority, he told me that smart, honest minorities could make more money as token minorities at big companies than his small bank could afford to pay.
"Nobody really has any need to be able to do arithmetic anymore."
I have been a vocational expert for the past 31 years...since finishing graduate school...and actually counsel and test people for a living. I am a member of a team that includes, among others, 2 placement counselors, a job developer, a marketing coordinator, 2 occupational therapists and a computer systems engineer. Our customers span the spectrum from young to old and unemployed to successful professionals.
Your statement about arithmetic is flat wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about.
John
I have been a vocational expert for the past 31 years...since finishing graduate school...and actually counsel and test people for a living. I am a member of a team that includes, among others, 2 placement counselors, a job developer, a marketing coordinator, 2 occupational therapists and a computer systems engineer. Our customers span the spectrum from young to old and unemployed to successful professionals.
Your statement about arithmetic is flat wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about.
John
To be a Police Officer not only means to uphold the law but to protect what we Americans believe to be valuable to us in core beliefs and values. I don't know anyone out there who doesn't believe in the basic school beliefs: Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic. Without that we don't have America. What does math have to do with being a cop you ask? A lot I say. Police represent your town and community. I'm sure that all of you would like the dumbest cop in town to be there to interview when CNN comes to town to show all of America how smart all the people in town are. Math is not so much a skill to show how smart you are but that you can learn.
Math Skills are Important!
Math is the closest thing to pure logic that we have. To do math one has to think logically. Word problems that involve math aren't just testing math skills but rather test critical thinking skills as well. I hope all law enforcement professionals have good critical thinking skills, especially if they carry a weapon.
Math is the closest thing to pure logic that we have. To do math one has to think logically. Word problems that involve math aren't just testing math skills but rather test critical thinking skills as well. I hope all law enforcement professionals have good critical thinking skills, especially if they carry a weapon.
CobrayCommando
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Look everybody, everyone should be able to do basic math! I suck so bad at math I placed pre-algebra at community college!
But you should still be able to do general math and maybe some algebra.
Now no normal person will ever need polynomials in their daily life.
Maybe instead of finishing college level math courses in high school you should have taken AP ENGLISH!!! Its ridiculous.
I almost never correct people on their spelling but you were ripe for it.
Bottomline to say a math test is racist is something I expect from a comedic film like "CB4" or "Don't Be a Menace", not real life. The NAACP is embarassing their own people by doing this, whether they know it or not.
But you should still be able to do general math and maybe some algebra.
Now no normal person will ever need polynomials in their daily life.
Maybe instead of finishing college level math courses in high school you should have taken AP ENGLISH!!! Its ridiculous.
I almost never correct people on their spelling but you were ripe for it.
Bottomline to say a math test is racist is something I expect from a comedic film like "CB4" or "Don't Be a Menace", not real life. The NAACP is embarassing their own people by doing this, whether they know it or not.
Yep! Affirmative Action keeps minorities at odds with society and viewed in a negative way. It also starves them from knowing true achievement and praise. Liberals like Kennedy, Kerry, and Clinton know this and use it for political leverage, and then they show up at a black church, patronizing, and insulting these people. A.A. like so many of these Gov. programs guts the very spirit of motivation that needs to be brought out in all people.
