This is just pathetic. Affirmative Action run Amok

Some people take General Math in 10th grade and that's the end of it for them
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I dont know what kind of school that is (maybe down south) but we take general math in elemtary school, many (including me) where doing trig and calc before finishing high school, everybody should know general math, yes that is the MOST REDICULOUS thing I have ever heard.

Um...I happen to be a master-whiz at real math, not just arithmetic. So if ANYBODY advocates knowing your math, it's me. But to say that lack of math skills should deprive you of power?
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Yes I do believe lack of basic math skills should deprive you of certain powers, it would really scare me that the guy pointing guns at people cannot do basic math

Down here, you don't even have to be able to read English (the language road signs are written in) to get a drivers' license. And you almost said there that math should be required to have a gun. You definitely said it should be required to be part of a militia. I don't see any math requirement in the 2nd amendment.
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I also believe you should have to be able to read/write and speak english to get a drivers license, no english, no license, no gun. ITS AMERICA, speak the language. The 2nd ammendment is written in ENGLISH if you cannot read it it should not apply.....I think basic math skills would be a good idea

Maybe it's just radio/TV that suck. I've done electrical engineering, and I'll tell you an apparently little-known secret about radios and TVs. They all come equipped with this control that says "on/off" or "power". That's for when you don't like what you are viewing/hearing, and it's a VERY reliable part.
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TV and Radio are a huge part of our society, if that sort of stuff is okay in the media than people who watch/listen get the idea that this is okay, I dont know if you have noticed but society is very easily influenced by the media

I guess I lost something in the cut/paste. Maybe it is time to start doing away with AA. There's been time to catch up for the slavery and the little voting rights problems that blacks were hamstrung with years ago. But it wasn't a joke when it was started. It was an effort to level a very tilted playing field.
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I do not see it as a joke but it does seemed to be getting abused, like Indian reservations, we now want to try so hard to fix something our ancestors did so long ago, it has flipped sides now it went from helping the minorities catchup to giving them special rights, Indians are given special grants and land, I say this and people are like "well they are people too" thats exactly it they are just people but yet because of something that happened LONG ago they get treated differently, soon it is going to be white people in need affirmitive action
 
Sorry, Invention 45, not buying it. The Justice Dept specifically stated that the math portion of the exam was racially biased. That means that they believe that blacks and hispanics are not capable of this level of math, while whites are.
How much clearer do they need to state that whites are smarter?
 
"racially biased" does not mean that they believe the math itself is too hard for non-whites, just that the questions are phrased in a way to give an unfair advantage to whites (not saying that I agree with either assessment, but that's what the "racial bais" in standardized tests is all about)


This is ridiculous, by the way. I'm all for equal opportunity and racial equality but to think that math questions can be racially baised is a stretching it. Even if the questions refer to things only whites would be familiar with (unlikely in the first place) the math itself is going to be the same regardless of how its' worded.
 
but to think that math questions can be racially baised is a stretching it.
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If 12 grains of Hodgens equals 900 fps and 14 grains of Hodgens equals 1000 fps then how many grains of Hodgens will create a catastrophic failure in a Bulldog revolver.

A. 16g
B. 18g
C. 20g
D. None of the above (since we all know the Bulldog is not capable of even 900 fps)
 
My original statement was that I didn't care one way or another about AA. My further comments about AA are only to show that there's another side to AA itself.

My other comments about the lack of need for math by police officers are NOT RELATED TO AA AT ALL. To me, it is a separate issue.

I don't need a good ability to get people under my control to do my job. But it wouldn't hurt to have that.

A cop doesn't need much math to do his job. But it wouldn't hurt him to have that either.

Therefore, take it off the test and take away the ammunition being used by the Justice Department.
 
I dont know what kind of school that is (maybe down south) but we take general math in elemtary school, many (including me) where doing trig and calc before finishing high school, everybody should know general math, yes that is the MOST REDICULOUS thing I have ever heard.
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+1, I agree.

I was a little bit ahead of the curve in my school, but I took Calc my senior year. There were a handful of kids even further ahead who took Calc in their Junior or Sophomore year, too.

The majority of my classmates, however, graduated high school with Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 under their belts. A significant minority took Trig or Stats on top of that.

Even those "behind" the curve at least got Algebra 1 and Geometry.

The only kids in high school who couldn't solve 5th grade word problems rode the little bus, and definitely didn't need badges and guns.

This was Washington state.
 
If 12 grains of Hodgens equals 900 fps and 14 grains of Hodgens equals 1000 fps then how many grains of Hodgens will create a catastrophic failure in a Bulldog revolver.

A. 16g
B. 18g
C. 20g
D. None of the above (since we all know the Bulldog is not capable of even 900 fps)
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That question is not racially biased. The question is also not solely a math question. To be such the following information would need to be included:

1. The relation that grain has to bullet speed.
2. The relation that grain has to the pressure exterted on the firearm.
3. The manufacturer's specs for the firearm that describe the structural tolerances.

Though technically the first one wouldn't be needed since bullet speed is irrelevant to the question. All that matters is the amount of energy released by that amount of powder, how its' distributed in that particular firearm, and how well that firearm can withstand those pressures.

That question isn't racially biased but it's also not a math question. It's a gun question.
 
azredhawk44: exactly, a persons math skills are not based on race they are based on education so in order for people to be lacking basic math skills means they have a poor education, so giving somebody who has poor basic math skills a badge and gun is the same as giving somebody with a poor education a badge and gun, so how exactly does the department choose their officers??? First come first to serve?? Who has the best moustache?? To be an officer in Minnesota you have to have a 2year degree AT LEAST, doubt you would make it through 2 years of college with elementary math skills.
 
That question isn't racially biased but it's also not a math question. It's a gun question.
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I disagree about the racial bias, but it's not really a math question; you are correct.

Most all state testing (exit level for state standard meeting requirements for "no child left behind") pose math questions in hypothetical situations which are open to cultural bias.

How often do the math problem you solve in life present themselves in a formula?

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/rules/tac/chapter111/ch111c.html
 
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The only thing that is preventing it from being an actual math problem that most people could figure out would be putting in the actual speed of the bullet that would creat failure in the firearm, then it could be mathmatically calculated and answered. Just because the topic is about guns does not mean it is not a math problem, 1night site dot + 2 night site dots = 3 night site dots thats a math problem 1night site dot + 2 night site dots = hole in wall is not a math problem.
 
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I just don't think it has anything to do with the job.
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I think you are pretty smart... :)

Most of the time you agree with me... :eek:

Math use capability is directly related to deductive reasoning, and no cop should leave home without it... :D

Math is also frequently used in vehicle accident investigation.

Virginia Beach is not descriminating against minority races...
They are descriminating against idiots... :D :D

Don't worry... be happy! :)
 
Most all state testing (exit level for state standard meeting requirements for "no child left behind") pose math questions in hypothetical situations which are open to cultural bias.
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How is a math problem culturally biased? They have to give all relevant information. It is then up to the testee to distill the information.

Q: LA and Denver are 1750 miles apart. John leaves LA on a train traveling 100mph eastbound. Alex leaves Denver on a train traveling 75mph westbound. Both trains are using the same tracks. How long until the two trains collide?

A: 10 hours.

Where is the race element in this stereotypical question? Substitute "Juan" for John and "Laetitia" for Alex if it makes you feel better.
 
How is a math problem culturally biased? They have to give all relevant information. It is then up to the testee to distill the information.
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If a test is based in a language then it can be subject to a cultural bias, based on the words used. I person from a different culture is likely to have no exposure to some of the words used. If those "foreign" words indicate a math function, or even if they do not; it could seem to have the opposite effect in the mind of the testee. This is why non-verbal test are typically used to qualify students for certain education needs. A cultural bias is not something that would beg for additional funding.
 
The only thing that is preventing it from being an actual math problem that most people could figure out would be putting in the actual speed of the bullet that would creat failure in the firearm, then it could be mathmatically calculated and answered. Just because the topic is about guns does not mean it is not a math problem, 1night site dot + 2 night site dots = 3 night site dots thats a math problem 1night site dot + 2 night site dots = hole in wall is not a math problem.
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Sorry but that question requires at least a general knowledge of firearms to be answered properly. The speed of the bullet is not the issue but how many people know the exact amount of energy released when a bullet fires and how much that particular model from that particular brand can tolerate before failure?

That wasn't a math question without all the necessary information that limits the question to solely the mathematics.
 
Actually yes it could be a math problem.....if you DID know at what fps the gun would fail you could calculate how much powder would create that velocity if you knew the gun failed at 1100fps than the answer would be 16g, if you utilize your basic math skills and read what I wrote then it would create a math problem that is solveable. Im not saying that it is correct in that 1100fps would in fact create a failure but that using the given information that would solve the problem mathmatically

If 12 grains of Hodgens equals 900 fps and 14 grains of Hodgens equals 1000 fps then how many grains of Hodgens will create a catastrophic failure in a Bulldog revolver.

A. 16g
B. 18g
C. 20g
 
If 12 grains of Hodgens equals 900 fps and 14 grains of Hodgens equals 1000 fps then how many grains of Hodgens will create a catastrophic failure in a Bulldog revolver.
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The curve for cup pressure is not linear (it is like the richter scale or db scale). Reloaders will know this, but most everyone else will not. That makes it a biased question.
 
If a test is based in a language then it can be subject to a cultural bias, based on the words used. I person from a different culture is likely to have no exposure to some of the words used.
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So by that logic then we should give badges and guns to people who cannot communicate in English?

So I get pulled over and have to know how to follow instructions from an officer in Ebonics or Spanish?

I've only got one word for that...:barf:
 
Actually yes it could be a math problem.....if you DID know at what fps the gun would fail you could calculate how much powder would create that velocity if you knew the gun failed at 1100fps than the answer would be 16g, if you utilize your basic math skills and read what I wrote then it would create a math problem that is solveable.
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That's why I said that it would need to include all that information to be solely a math problem. Without being given that information beforehand than it'd be impossible to answer the question unless you had that previous knowledge.

Despite my abilities in math I would never be able to answer that question unless I was told the tolerance of that particular gun, the pressure exterted by specific amounts of gun powder, and how the amount of gunpowder applies to the velocity of that specific round. Without that information it's a firearms question, not a math question.

The curve for cup pressure is not linear (it is like the richter scale or db scale). Reloaders will know this, but most everyone else will not. That makes it a biased question.
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lol even more of a reason

If this was a question on a test for a gun salesman then it would make sense. But a cop or a high school senior would never or should never be asked a question like that, especially one worded so ambiguously. Bringing in the individual manufacturer makes the question even more inapplicable and then you have to consider the fact that, to the best of my knowledge, all gunpowder is not created equal.

But the bottom line is that the question itself was not racially bias. It's actually not that easy to racially bias a math question if all the pertinent information is included. The above question about the trains could be figured out by someone who has never seen a train in his life because the details of the question can be altered while the numbers remain the same.

In pure math all that matters is the numbers. They can be applied to many things but, in my opinion, mathematics is the only genuine universal truth and as such can exist in any situation.
 
AAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! READ
Im not saying that it is correct in that 1100fps would in fact create a failure but that using the given information that would solve the problem mathmatically
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When looked at from a non-reloader and just somebody who is taking a math test do you agree that they could solve this??
 
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