This guy's really following the Adolf Hitler playbook closely...

By 1943/1944 the Soviets were beginning to field domestically designed weapons that were technologically on par with weapons being fielded in the west
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With tanks, the same can be said for us :)

WildallthingsevolveAlaska
 
Did I say they weren't?
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Did I say you said they weren't? :D Lighten up. And I agree regarding manpower, but OTOH if you are actively willing to sacrifice most of your potential manpower and pull it in from preteens on up numbers become less of an issue.


Slug, we will have another world war. There will be a day when the US we know doesn't exist anymore. Nothing lasts forever. just a matter of when and, frankly, I think it's going to be pretty soon and sparked bt one of these Chavez type loons.
 
"let us recall that the US used overwhelming numbers to defeat Nazi Germany."

And the Soviets used overwhelming numbers of essentially superior designs to defeat Nazi Germany.

In fact, the United States also used quite a few superior designs to defeat Germany -- aircraft, the M1 rifle, supply chain technology, etc.

"Why would one believe that the US is unbeatable, seeing as we are suffering from a lack of resources, factories, and manpower."

Huh?

Since when are we suffering from a lack of factories or resources necessary to wage a war?

I think you're mistaking what the US is doing now -- waging a war in a peacetime economy -- with what it did during World War II, which is wage a war with a wartime economy.

The same is true of manpower. The ONLY reason there's a manpower shortage right now is that there isn't a draft.

During World War II the United States, by 1945, had something like 12 million men in uniform and fit for service with a national population of roughly 132 million.

Our population today is over 300 million.
 
Wake up guys. We are in the beginning of a world war. Our enemy are islamo fascists. We are fighting them as we speak in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many on this board may disagree with the war but one thing isn't debatable and that is the enemy has attacked us and says it will continue to attack us until we are dead.

World War 3 is here now IMO.
 
threegun

They are here mainly as blowback from us screwing with their politics during the cold war. What Ron Paul said about it is the truth. We have created alot of the problems we have today.

Yes Islam is a violent religion. However we did plenty to encourage the radicalization of some Muslims through our short sighted foreign polocies. Unfortunately, the "peaceful" Muslims always have been and will be a silent and irrelevant majority because, unlike Christianity today, criticizing Islam will often bring death to those people.
 
Why did I just get this great visual of John Belushi running out of the Frat House yelling Lets...Goooooooo heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy:D

WildwhoisbrigadierpuddingAlaska
 
They are here mainly as blowback from us screwing with their politics during the cold war. What Ron Paul said about it is the truth. We have created alot of the problems we have today.
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No, I think it was inevitable. They ALWAYS wanted to do this, but they lacked the funds before, and had a somewhat reasonable business-minded empire.

When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, all the dirt-squabbling tribes would have continued killing each other with antiquated weapons until something else worked out, and we'd not have cared.

But then oil was found there, and suddenly, limitless funds were flowing into a region, enabling thousands of backwards, angry tribal people with violent dreams...

We didn't create the Wahaabist sect and other extremists. We just unfortunately funded them.
 
I have no doubt that the US could shift gears and begin preparing for this potential WWIII.

The question is, does the US have the will to fight that war?
When we are fighting a rather small war in Iraq and have a large amount of the people against it. Many of those people claim that few thousand dead soldiers are too many. What will they say if a larger war demands the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions of soldiers? This lack of will is what could make it difficult to push any major campaign forward on a global scale.

There cannot be an effective offence without the majority of US citizens behind the effort. That could change over night and it could just as well not change.

Europe and Russia's metal production and capacities far exceed that of the US. We will be playing a game of catch up. Yes the Euro's are allies, will they always be? This little war we are already in doesn't get much support from them now. Why should we expect them to support us in a World War? They seem to enjoy us projecting our military power, and have little desire to project their own. I would hope that they would support our efforts if it comes to that. It is more likely that they will only worry about themselves. There is hope though.
 
"The question is, does the US have the will to fight that war?"

At the moment, no.

But, as the history of the US entry into World War II shows us, one event can dramatically change national opinion overnight.

The US was largely united behind Gulf War I, as well.

Even 9-11 changed national opinion dramatically, but that sense of national purpose has been largely squandered.



"Europe and Russia's metal production and capacities far exceed that of the US."

Not exactly sure what point you're trying to make here. Or, I should say, what relevance it has to the discussion.
 
The difficult thing is not fighting a war of complete destruction. THAT we could do easily, with only conventional ordnance.

The difficult thing is fighting a limited war with minimized civilian casualties. That's always been more difficult, and will continue to be difficult.
 
Crosshair,
They are here mainly as blowback from us screwing with their politics during the cold war. What Ron Paul said about it is the truth. We have created alot of the problems we have today.
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I'm afraid you have fallen for their (radical Islams) rouse. Take what they are saying in their videos and combine it with versus in the Koran that they interpret with a radical view and you will see the real reason they want us dead. Our culture is a direct assault on theirs. If left unchecked our culture will destroy everything they believe in. Not due to our medaling as you and others have been led to believe but our way of life. The freedom of our women..........will eventually make their women revolt wanting similar freedoms. Our acceptance of abnormal life styles like homosexuality is yet another abomination to them. Finally our belief in deities other than Allah.

Where most religions of today can coexist in relative harmony the Islamo Radical believes it is Allah/Islam or death.
 
Regarding the last post, I agree in most part, but it seems like stating such an opinion here is getting threads closed.

Odd.
 
Regarding the last post, I agree in most part, but it seems like stating such an opinion here is getting threads closed.
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The mainstream media refuses to tell it like it is so why should anyone expect anything different here?

Do some research on what radical islamo fascists have said and are saying. Then if you believe that their claim of our medaling is truly the reason they want us dead we have lost already.....it is just that plain and simple to see if you have an open mind from the start or don't have an agenda.
 
Do some research on what radical islamo fascists have said and are saying.
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I can tell just from the words I highlighted what type of thing you have been "researching".

I like like to "research" also but I like to research people who actually know the reasons why they hate us. Osama Bin Laden, the leader of the islamo fascists, would know, wouldn't he? Here are the reasons he gives:


(1)Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.

When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.

(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.

(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!

(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:

(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.

(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.

(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.

(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.

(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.
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Yeah it's all because of Islam. :rolleyes:
 
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