This bites. Do I risk courts-martial over non-compliance?

Yep. Get them out of there, until such time as you can get yourself out. I'm sure JAG will provide more info, but my perusal of the Basic Military Justice Handbook reveals the following:
1) chargeable under Article 92(1); Violation of General Orders or Regulations (i.e., General orders or regulations may be promulated by the following authorities:
...flag or general officers in command...)
2) Inspections. ...an inspection is conducted to ensure readiness and is part of the inherent duties and responsibilities of those in the military chain of command... ...An inspection may be made of the whole or any part of a unit, organization, installation, vessel, aircraft, or vehicle... ...An inspection also includes an examination to locate and confiscate unlawful weapons and other contraband...

I'm not a lawyer, but it would seem to me they have you over a barrel. They could have a plain ol' housing inspector come around checking for window leaks, sector-vector levers, or reeberflopper compliance and off you go into the wild and wacky world of military (in)justice.

(I've always found it somewhat ironic that we in the armed forces have as a vocation, when you boil it all down, killing people and destroying things, but we can't carry a gun on base! :rolleyes: )

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"An armed society is a polite society."
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"Power corrupts. Absolute power - is kinda cool!"
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I'd suggest doing whatever you have to to keep them from being registered. And I'd quit the military ASAP. IMHO our .gov has overstepped it's bounds so far that all the good folks in there need to get out of it. It's a sinking ship and all that it's going to do it try to drag you down with it.
 
They're going to try to take them eventually. Private housing sounds like the way to go.

Look at the situation this way: you have volunteered to be the muscle of a very corrupt government. Did you think you'd be exempt from their corruption?
 
If you do store your firearms at the Base armory, ask how they store it. While in the Air Force upon relocating to a new Base in the S.E I had to store my firearms in the Security Police armory while staying in temp quarters. All my firearms were cased. After registering my guns and prior to turning them in I was told to ensure all weapons were unloaded and to leave all firearms uncased for verification of serial numbers and inspection for loaded weapons etc.A month later I went to pick up my firearms and every one was handed back to me with the action open. I was told that all firearms stored at the armory had to stored uncased, in racks with action open, regarddless of type. I was not to pleased that all my firearms had dust, dirt in and out. Thankfully none were damaged. I understand the predicament you are in and I would recommend storing it elsewhere if possible.

Charlie Tuna

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So Solly Charly:

He CAN do that and more if he so desires.

Read the fine print.(no, not the part that promised free healthcare for life....)

VOTE IN NOVEMBER!

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I'm not sure what the problems is.

When I was in the Marine Corps I had to register all my firearms.

I didn't have a problem with this. While I was living on base in a BEQ I kept my weapons stored off base. I even left them in the PMO armory over the weekend if I need to.

Maybe the mentality of the Marines was different back then but we TRUSTED our fellow Marines.

Can't say the same about our elected officials.
 
The only way to avoid this is to move out of the government leased off post housing into something that you have bought or leased yourself.

By the way, going through the base/post housing referral office to locate rental property does NOT make you liable to things like this as long as it is not government leased off-post housing. The housing office provides off-post/base housing listings as a service to the soldier and his family.

Good luck,
Mike
 
I know the Marine Corp and Army have been doing it for a while. (Probably after Full Metal Jacket came out, heehee!) I sat back and gloated when I read about it because I thought it would never happen to me as an Air Force member. I was stationed at a base in a fairly high-crime area of California called North Highlands, and even there the Base Commander/Wing King didn't enforce that policy or even reference it. Matter of fact, the Morale, Welfare, and Recreation branch even had an FFL, and sold firearms to military members on base! I know full well that commanders reserve the option to crack down and enforce firearm registration, it's just a very new thing in the CONUS Air Force, at least, in my 14 years of service...
 
I checked with my Dad whose a retired Army Col. He always had at least a handgun in the house. We lived on post for the firs 16 years of my life. He told me not once did he register his weapons. One exception is the WW2 era Tommy Gun we found in the attic of the quarters we had just moved into. Turned in over to the Museum.

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Don't be so quick to tell a good man to leave an organization such as the military, police or some regulatory government agency. If it ever comes to the point where the government tries to impose draconian measures on us, we will need good people in those organizations. Remember back when the Warsaw Pact countries threw out the commie governments that had ruled over them for 40+ years. The military would not fire upon it's fellow countrymen and without the backing of the military they could not hold onto power. If the only people entering and staying in the military and police forces are "jack booted thugs", how long do you thing the Bill of Rights will last? My wife is German and one day I got into a discussion with her sister's husband. He could not see a reason for American soldiers to be in Germany. He told me that the Russians would not try to take over Germay because they could not control all the millions of Germans who had lived in freedom for so many years. I told him that all they would do is take a pistol and put it to his wife or daughter's head and say to him, "Red or Dead". I asked what his choice would be. Reluctantly he said Red and I told him that is exactly how they would control millions of Germans.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gewehr98:
It's ironic, those of us charged with the
profession of arms, are not to be trusted with them. I'm sitting here with my safes open, thinking about how many extra forms the orderly room needs to register my collection of over 50 pieces, and what they'll do
with that information once it's provided. That's what scares me the most, the whole arbitrariness of it. I can really envision something happening where I come home and the Security Police are hauling things out left and right, because somebody decided to say something, either in jest or spite. Funny thing is, when I did the coordination to get my C&R FFL, the base security forces didn't care to know about it, they sent me to the county sheriff's office for paperwork submission, stating that off- base
government housing was outside their jurisdiction. I realize I forfeit a lot of my rights as a citizen by serving in the military, damn near 15 years now. Looks like this old NCO is gonna head out and buy a ton of trigger locks, and modify all my ammo cans to accept padlocks, too. Oh, well. Thank you folks very much for your replies, they were well thought-out, and will help with my upcoming decisions.

Darin R. Pfaff[/quote]

Well doesnt U.S. Law apply to the military??? There is a LAW that prohibits the "create of a database of registered firearms to be created by the Government, or anything "controlled" by them.

So I would think that law applies and that order to register privately owned guns is illegal! The Military has to follow the law too!


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dead:
Well doesnt U.S. Law apply to the military??? [/quote]

In a word, "No." We in the military are subject to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) which bears many similarities to, but is not the same as, civilian law.



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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
Robert Heinlein
"Power corrupts. Absolute power - is kinda cool!"
Fred Reed
 
It's a real sad state of affairs.
However, that is the reason that I refuse to live on post.
It seems that Rosie O is running our military now.
Put them elsewhere, register them or move.
It's sad. But we can't trust you with a weapon, only national security.

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You swore in your oath that you would obey the officers appointed over you! If you dont want to do what you're told. Get out!
Comply with this order to the letter. I dont like it I dont agree with it BUT, it's not for you to decide which orders you will obey and when and how you will obey them! I wasn't able to own a motorcycle when I was in because someone else was killed in an accident. Did I like it? No but did I follow my orders? yes! each and every order, each and every day! that's what is supposed to make you different.
 
Gewehr98,
I live down in Indialantic and know where you are at. My advice is to visit the storage company over on Eau Gallie Blvd. over on the barrier island on the south side around where the restaurants are...it is back behind them. They are climate controlled.

Don't jeopardize 15 years dude. Just get them the hell off government property.

The other option is to get an apartment nearby. There are about four complexes just south of you that would probably be happy to have you as a renter.
 
Gonzo_308 has it right. I was in 22 years and registered my guns on every post. We didn't have computers and when I cleared I would get the reg forms I had filled out. Don't risk CM. Get them off post or register them. Jerry
 
Gonzo_308, lighten up! Damn, Gewehr 98 isn't planning treason. He's frustrated with the PC attitude of a gutless, boot licking officer. I hope your post was made before you thought it out. I realize that the order by the general is probably legal but your post sounds like you think military personnel are to obey any order, regardless. A soldier is required to disobey an unlawfull order and he can be court martialed for not doing so.
 
Gewehr98,

All Federal facilities prohibit firearms, UNLESS specifically authorized for official duties. This includes contractor-owned leased facilities, such as your quarters and my office. Don't fight it, adapt. Move your firearms out of military jurisdiction! You do not enjoy the same rights and privileges under the Uniformed Code of Military Justice, as do your civilian counter-parts under constitutional-based laws. Don't ruin your career and your family's life-style.
 
G98 I just retired (9-1-00)from the Army after 20 years of service.

FWIW- every installation I've lived on in that time has had mandatory registration of firearms, *IF* living in government quarters. Whether or not the quarters where physically within the bounderies of the installation or in a seperate area off the installation didn't matter.

I wish you luck with whatever you decide to do.

Rob



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g98,
In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor. :D
How is the S&W victory model that Dale put together for you holding up? About the gun registration thing, you do know that on McClellan you had to register them if you were in base housing too, htey just looked the other way.

e-mail me we'll B.S. about TOD or something.
Jayson
 
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