...and I give you Japan.
think from their point of view.....Saddam was bad guy....unfortunately the reality is we have been worse......and then very naivly we ask why do they fight /kill us........why shouldn't they.......think if some oter country invades our homeland to get rid of Bush saying he is a bad guy ..... trying to enforce their way of democracy or dictatorship or kingdom in our country.....killing our old an dyoung...raping our sisters and daughter.....tell me honestly who amongs us will lay low...... patriotism is good, but be very realistinc... after all they are also being patriotic aren't they?
Liberty and the concept of Federalism (local to central government) is what Iraqis are being motivated by, not forced into. It is the promise made to them in exchange for there allience from the beginning, not something being shoved down their throats.
Liberty is a normal human desire.
This is my honest analysis you may not agree with me....
Unregistered said:No means to resist? Surely you jest. We have been fighting the Iraqis for 5 years now....
I would say they are doing a pretty good job at resisting us, and if they can resist us, then resisting some 3rd world chump of an Ayatollah or Dictator should be easy.
Musketeer said:As it is the democracy in Japan is dominated by the agendas of the Zaibatsu who really run the country.
... the population of Japan was already cowed to obey the dictates of the Gov't in charge.
You did not have Shintoists blowing themselves up in markets full of Buddhists...
I love the mantra of "We stay until it is done." It will never be done.
I say we set a timetable to draw things down and let the Iraqis know it is their job to run their country. If the UN, France, Germany, Russia, Saudi Arabia or anyone else wants to go in there and bring order then do so.
Not those countries. Iranian tanks will be rolling into Baghdad as our last Blackhawk lifts off the roof of the embassy (to update a searing image).
Right now we are doing nothing but handing over blank checks with no limits, accountability, or threat to stop the gravy train.
Wow Glenn and Alley you do not believe that the desire for freedom, or at least self determination is an innate, or natural human condition.
That is all I am saying about the innate desire for personal freedom, not the grandiose ideas of a representative goverment who listens to his well thought out ideas and acts upon them. I am just saying most people have the desire to live out thier own lives as they see fit. I don't think that is just limited to "western ideas".
To me crediting the west with being the only ones with that desire is kinda arrogant and maybe even a little racist or elitist.