They want to poison wild hogs Texas

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I did it, but I knew the land owners personally for many years prior.

Trust is what it takes, I was sought out because of trust.

Many land owners have been burned by paying hunters: damage, parties, four wheelin fun, injured livestock, gates left open and missing equipment.

One guy convinced my friend to let him dove hunt, so his kid could experience it... You wanna know what really occurred? An urban redneck dirtbike/drunken 4wheeler fest.
But then, I hear everyone complaining that farmers wont let people hunt them.

I hunted for free for many years. Not really free, because if I was going to the farm anyway, I'd give the owner a "day Off"; I'd put out round bales, fill water tanks, feed supplements, check the fences, bring supplies from town. I was also a heavy equipment mechanic in a past life, so I'd make some light repair work on the tractors. One farm provided me with a truck to use.

Free and open pig hunting on texas farms will not happen on a large scale.
I'm not sure how I feel about mass poisonings, I'm no biologist, so I can't back up any misgivings I have about it with scientific data.
 
Even in states with lots more public lands, they have lots of hog problems. Louisiana, for example, is also considering Warfarin at this time.
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For the most part tho, numbers on public land are low compared to those on private land, the reason being food sources. Part of the boon in hog numbers has to do with the production of Ag crops. This production makes food plentiful enough that sows have more and larger litters. On most public lands, the lack of Ag crops means fewer numbers overall and thus less damage. Damage done on public lands has less visual and economic impact and thus is not reported as much, nor is it as big of concern to most folks. Feral hogs in Louisiana have been there since the 1500s, and thus they made their impact on native plants and habitat many years ago....before it was even considered an impact. It's the impact on Ag crops that now has most folks in a uproar, and those now looking to re-establish native heirloom Flora. Used to be having a few feral hogs around for a food source was a good thing, now that their numbers have exploded thanks to Agriculture, and their presence is impacting the pocketbooks of farmers involved in that agriculture, not so good.

I see a lot of reference on here about hunting private lands and landowners not being hunter friendly...and it's not any different than other states in this regard. I grew up hunting in pheasants and ducks in Nebraska, deer and antelope in Wyoming, etc... In all cases I have found you need to establish a relationship of sorts with landowners so they know you will respect their property and not cause other problems for them. If you just stop near a house on a farm in Nebraska and ask if you can hunt their cornfields, beetfields, etc., chances are if you don't get really lucky, they will turn you down. Would you let strangers get out and stomp your crops down just to be friendly?
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Would this stomping of crops by strangers be any worse that the rooting and eating of the farmers primary income source by the hogs? If those same farmers had to let strangers on their property in order to collect crop damage, do you think they would say no? While many will cite the damage caused by strangers as their reason for not allowing hunting, the biggest reasons are because they like to hunt themselves or have friends and relatives already hunting the property that do not want the competition.


Just a guess on my part, but I would have to say probably 999 landowners out of 1,000 are not charging to hunt hogs on their land....they are just protecting their property and chances are local people they are better acquainted with are hunting the property if hunting is taking place there.
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But how much impact does that 1 outta a 1000 have if they own/rent a large parcel in the middle of the other 999 and they promote large wild hog populations? Especially if those other 999 don't allow access to enough hunters to make a difference in those populations? Much of this is wanting your cake and eating it too. I don;t want crop damage, but I want enough hogs around to hunt and be successful everytime I go out. For years farmers here in Wisconsin were allowed to collect crop damage from deer, while having their own private, no fence deer preserve. They too said no when strangers came to the door and asked to hunt and with good reason. Now they have to shoot X amount of antlerless deer before they can collect. Not only does this impact the deer on their property, but the whole deer herd in the area. While they do not have to let strangers hunt, they do need to eliminate a certain amount of animals before they can whine about crop damage. Sometimes without the help of those strangers, it's tough to take and dispose of those 40 does/fawns required to be shot.

There is no simple solution to feral hogs, kinda why wildlife officials in every state they are in, has struggled with it. While hunting them helps, it's clearly evident it's not the sole answer. It's also evident that not everyone wants them all gone, nor do most folks want strangers hunting their land. What are we supposed to do?
 
I manage some fairly extensive properties for a man in our area. This is recreational property, and not agricultural, but I do not allow the use of 4 wheelers, and strictly monitor hunting and fishing on these properties. For the most part, all hunters or fishermen that are allowed use of these properties are either known to me or the landowner..and it shall remain that way. I built a range on one of the properties with hanging steel targets, covered shooting area, etc....and a sign explaining some simple rules for use of the range. One major rule is no shooting at the steel targets closer than 100 yds. with high powered rifles. I have finally come to the conclusion that I am going to just have to remove the closer targets as people keep shooting holes in them with 223's or similar (at 25 yds. no less). I worry about splash back from close targets that are cratered and have holes shot in them, so they will have to go. I am just tired of welding up targets so another person (that is supposedly appreciative of the range) can shoot more holes in them.
And people wonder why we are reluctant to turn people loose on hunting lands?
The land owner and I have discussed the poisoning of hogs on his properties and there will be none !
 
Free and open pig hunting on texas farms will not happen on a large scale.
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It doesn't happen anywhere on a large scale, not Texas, Oregon, Louisiana, Florida, not anywhere.

I did send out the the EPA data sheet on Kaput to my landowners. All of them are going to let somebody else be the beta testers on this.
 
I did it, but I knew the land owners personally for many years prior.

Trust is what it takes, I was sought out because of trust.
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Agreed! I too was sought out for this reason, having personally known and worked with them for some time. I did not really owe them anything, but I consider them my friends so I was willing to help them with their hog problem, I was a "hired gun", they were appreciative. They have it largely under control now, but there was a period of a few years that was very frustrating for them. They spent quite a bit of money fortifying their fences and property boundaries, as well as much more fencing on the interior.
 
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IF they where poisoning wolves id be the "beta tester" up here in Idaho.

I have seen people advertise in the news paper looking for hunters to come kill wolves on there property. In Texas you have to pay to hunt a "nuance" animal. I think that Idahoans see the wolves as a much more serous threat than Texans see the Hogs as shown by their actions.

I fortunately, put up a sign saying wolf hunters welcome and have not seen a wolf in a long time on my land. If the animals are really a problem people will do what they have to, to take care of them.
 
I have seen people advertise in the news paper looking for hunters to come kill wolves on there property. In Texas you have to pay to hunt a "nuance" animal. I think that Idahoans see the wolves as a much more serous threat than Texans see the Hogs as shown by their actions.
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Hogs may be a lot of things, but they are not a "nuance" animal by any stretch of the imagination. They are more of a blatant, in-your-face kind of animal.

You have also made the mistake of singularly grouping Texans on this issue and it is a common mistake. You have at least two types of landowners when it comes to hogs. There are those that see them as a pest and those that see them as income.

I hear self righteous hunters proclaim frequently how they will not pay to kill somebody else's problem and others that proclaim that the landowner should be paying the hunter to take care of the problem. Well, for the landowners charging to hunt hogs, the hogs are not a serious problem and represent income year 'round.

You can darn well bet that if it was legal to charge people to hunt deer year 'round, landowners would, given the staggering losses of crops to deer, never mind collisions with vehicles.

I have yet to meet a landowner that truly sees hogs as a problem that is charging hunters. With that said, landowners in need are not letting random freeloading Bubbas come and hunt willy nilly either. The people most likely to let strangers hunt their properties do it for the $.

This is part of the reason why this who poison operation is going to fail so miserably. Not enough people are on board a solution.
 
As a landowner, lifelong farmer, and dedicated hunter, I can see both sides of this situation BUT I also see that it may not be the landowners' fault or responsibility re: feral hogs.
Some areas of Missouri have a feral hog population which may be related to some inconsiderate or downright criminal individuals. Either way, there has to be some responsibility assigned so that someone or some entity can take care of the problem. If it's a "landowner problem", the affected landowners need to band together to make a unified effort for control. If it's a "State problem", the state needs to be forced to provide resources to control the problem.
Last year, Mo Dept of Consternation declared a ban on hog trapping(maybe hunting also) on state land because individuals attempting to remove feral hogs "were interfering with State efforts to trap and remove hogs". No numbers were given as to how many hogs the MDC had actually managed to remove but obviously not enough as the population keeps growing. In north MO, it seems to be considered a "landowner problem" which relieves MDC of responsibility either in manpower or funding. Basically similar to the coyote livestock depredation --also a "landowner problem" which MDC does little to resolve.
 
This is part of the reason why this poison operation is going to fail so miserably. Not enough people are on board a solution.
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Absolutely.

In the big scheme of things shooting hogs from helicopters is not all that expensive. The USDA has been shooting coyotes and wild hogs from helicopters for many years: They recently shot hogs from helicopters in the Wichita Mountains Wildlife Refuge. Some ranchers in OK and Texas are hiring helicopter shooting teams.

Every time i bring up the subject of shooting wild hogs from the air, hog hunters get their hackles up and condemn the practice for "wasting meat".

Corral trapping of entire sounders is a good way to control the wild hog population. Again some are opposed to that method.

No discussion of the wild hog situation is complete without examining how humans assisted in the hog population explosion:

1. Folks are attracting and raising wild hogs with their use of "deer feeders".

2. Not content to let nature take it's course, the Bubba types continue to release hogs into the wild. Anxious to hunt hogs, they are releasing hogs in areas where there were no hogs.

i recently caught three 100 pound Hampshire pigs that looked like dirty show pigs. They had recently been released. One had rings in his nose: That hog would not have lived long in the wild.

3. Many, if not most,deer hunters refuse to shoot wild hogs.

At our deer lease i have seen one doe with fawn in the past two years. Before the place was over run with hogs, does with fawns were plentiful there.

Previous to last year i would not kill a hog unless there was someone to take the meat. Last spring i shot 50-60 small pigs with my Ruger .22. Also made a dedicated effort to hunt down and kill solitary boars. Killed about 20 boars that went over 200 pounds. Most were left where they fell.

One of my deer feeders will get a higher fence because big hogs have been jumping over it. i will not run an unfenced feeder. My hog snares are in the mail.


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I'll attest that you cannot try to control pigs and worry about wasting meat.

I would give away as many as I could, most people were very interested in receiving a pig... until I called them, lol. I had more luck with traps, I could hold them for a few hours while the person interested made arrangements.

I fed lots of pigs to the local wildlife, so not really wasting meat. No one eats a rat normally, or coyotes. A good pile of pig, keeps coyotes happily far away from the goats and such.

I won't kill native species indiscriminately, not even a coyote if they stay in coyote land, doing coyote stuff. I'll leave raccoons and any other animal alone if they aren't being a nuisance. I've hunted lots of varmints, but I don't seek any in the wild, only those that cause trouble. I will kill any pig, without a second thought.
 
Same deal with donkeys (prospector's burros) and wild horses. They are not as bad as hogs but are still a burden on resources, eating native wildlife out of house and home. But they have constituencies who will pull strings to protect them.
 
Not all poisons stay dangerous after the target animal ingests it. Many break down to some form of chemical that kills the animal but then becomes benign in that body leaving the carcass to be safely consumed. NOT ALL...
 
Right, sodium nitrate would work along those lines, IIRC. Either way, consumption of a hog that had ingested it and died would not be any more dangerous than eating a hot dog or bacon (which uses sodium nitrate as a preservative).
 
Right, sodium nitrate would work along those lines, IIRC. Either way, consumption of a hog that had ingested it and died would not be any more dangerous than eating a hot dog or bacon (which uses sodium nitrate as a preservative).
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It's Sodium Nitrite that works best for killing hogs, not Nitrate.

Sodium Nitrate is also known as "Peru Saltpeter".

They are very similar but not identical.

http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2014/06/bacon_preservative_tested_as_f.html
Sodium nitrite is far more toxic to pigs than people and is used in Australia and New Zealand to kill feral swine. USDA scientists say it may be the best solution in the U.S., but they're not yet ready to ask for federal approval as pig poison.
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Heck, if sodium nitrate works, it would preserve the meat for us! LOL Isn't that the stuff in beef jerky?
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Sodium Nitrate and Sodium Nitrite are both used in seasoning and curing meats.
Neither would be dangerous to eat in hogs poisoned in that manner.
 
WHY A WARFARIN BAIT?
Low toxicity = decreased risk to non-targets
Readily available antidote = Vitamin K-1
Effective on hogs in low concentrations
Mostly metabolized or excreted within 48 hours of death

I copied the above from the KapUT Products website.
 
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