These guys were policing their own hood

alcohol is bad enough with guns..but people who point them at others..its just a stupid idea..people need to learn to only point at something they dont care if they blast to bits..

sort of like riding a motorcycle..sure its legal to have a beer or 2 and ride...but its just not a good idea..

with shooting and riding never have done either, and I have one huge well stocked bar. Whether its a bad perception or not in the pic you be judge..but look at all those who get killed every year from shooting and or hunting accidents..if more gun safety was practiced alot more wouldnt get killed due to carelessness and or stupidity....
 
Is it not feasible that the "drunks with guns" part of the sign is just a "scarecrow" joke. :D

These people are clearly clean-cut decent neighborhood Dad's. :)

I doubt VERY MUCH that they are drunk or even high! :mad:

Good clean fun in the aftermath of a hurricane! :p
 
"Is this man irresponsible or a defender of property?
The bottles behind him do contain alcohol. He has a gun. It might be loaded."

Jesus.

Could you find a picture that is any different while trying to make your point?

Care to point out the salient differences?

Let's see.... In your picture, the man with the shotgun does NOT have an open container in his hand.

It's pretty evident that while there is liquor present, he's either the employee of, or owner of, an establishment.

He's not holding a sign that says "Drunken sot bar owner -- you puke on my floor, I drill you a new one."


God.

These assclowns aren't much different than those two morons in the video where the one shoots the beer bottle off the other's head.
 
I think Bluesman and TheeBadOne officially pwn this topic.

Counting the number of firearm safety violations I see in that picture would take two hands.

I would not want to show this to a fence sitter.
 
Could you find a picture that is any different while trying to make your point?
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The picture he posted has about a billion times more alcohol in it. The fact that the word D-R-U-N-K isn't spelled out, makes the picture that much more different?

Let's see.... In your picture, the man with the shotgun does NOT have an open container in his hand.
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I'd like to see how anyone here can prove that the two fellas on the right have an open container of what is insinuated to be, alcohol.

It's pretty evident that while there is liquor present, he's either the employee of, or owner of, an establishment.
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Evident? Is it? How do you know he didn't just rob the place and his dip-smack partner in crime didn't say, "Hey! Pose in front of the bar while your standing on the bartenders throat!"

These assclowns aren't much different than those two morons in the video where the one shoots the beer bottle off the other's head.
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Oh, I beg to differ.

--On one hand, you have two people drinking (at least we know there are open intoxicants), and discharging a firearm at a bottle sitting on the other’s head.

--On the other hand, you have a group of neighbors who have used the word DRUNK on a piece of plywood, which has made everyone ASSUME they’re hammered, and acting irresponsibly. In fact, we’ve actually jumped to the assumption that the open containers contain alcohol!

I'm sorry Mike, but this topic can be stretched to the extreme in both directions.
 
Oh no, not another one of those "all about the children" people!!
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Just a word from an ignorant old fool.

"We do not inherit the past from our ancestors. We borrow the future from our children."
 
It seems to me that a few gentlemen on this forum need to go through a hurricaine and a couple of weeks of lawlessness. It's easy to take a man who has been through hell and hold him to your arbitrary standard of behavior that you believe every gun owner must adhere to. There are those in our media and population who are doing the same to our soldiers in Iraq. Who, and what has given any of us the right to judge these men? Do you think that because you bought a few guns at your local dealer you now have the right to judge hurricaine survivors? So, you've been putting lead downrange for twenty years. Are you now qualified to judge men who have had to use their guns to keep looters at bay? So you've discussed gun safety and ethics on a gun forum for 5 or 6 years and now feel qualified to judge men who witnessed thugs with body armor run through their neighborhoods confiscating weapons?

These men have commited no crimes. There is no evidence that alcohol is within twenty miles of them. Furthermore, a couple of these men may well be members of this forum. They may find the time to post again in a week or two. They may be friends to us all. One thing is fairly certain, they joined forces to protect themselves and their property using the 2nd amendment. It looks like they were sucessful. They did this in the absence of law enforcement, and the prescence of gun confiscation. That is a heck of a lot more apparent than any alcohol in anyone's hand or bloodstream.

Armchair quarterbacking people who are trying to survive is easy. When you have armed bandits breaking down your doors and taking your belongings with no law enforcement available, then you may hold YOURSELF to your arbitrary standards of gun owner behavior. Spray paint your own code of ethics on a piece of plywood you pulled off your tattered house, and take a better picture.

There were plenty of people who demonized Lt. Ilario Pantano's sign as well. When the USMC acquitted him, those people crawled back under their rocks.
 
"What's the difference between a pregnant lady and a light bulb? You can unscrew a light bulb." - Todd Wilkinson

Hell, when I saw this picture, I thought I wanted to move to this neighborhood. A bunch of guys, with a good sense of humor, whose wives actually let them act like men. They even have their own golf cart! And I bet whatever the hurricane damaged on my house, one of these guys could help me fix it.
 
I gotta wonder how much looting was taking place in the 'burbs.

Two things missing from this picture:
Wind damage
Flood water

:confused:
 
And further more"

None of these guys even look sweaty or dirty, like they were going without water or power. Are'nt many golf carts electric and need charging? Where is this supposed to be?.

Frankly, I dont think that it is a big deal, I dont like it but I dont think it'll turn the tide against us, but trying to paint these guys as the Knights Templar protecting hearth and home from the hordes of heathens seems a bit much. I'll bet the guy off flipping the burgers is PO'd he was'nt in the shot.

And clearly the dreaded gun grabbers didnt make it there. ;)
 
Xavier - I agree with your points about those who have actually endured the aftermath of a hurricane or any other disaster for that matter. But we have no evidence that these guys are in a hurricane-struck area. For all I know they might be standing on a street corner in Muncie, Indiana on a sunny summer afternoon in September as Sendec pointed out - where is the wind damage to the trees? Where is the water damage to the grass? Trip 20 - Where did you get this picture?

Who, and what has given any of us the right to judge these men?
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Well, I've got this keyboard in front of me and a little time on my hands... ;) My only points are: 1. I would not be caught dead in this photo and, 2. It harms a cause that I care deeply about.
 
I gotta wonder how much looting was taking place in the 'burbs.

Two things missing from this picture:
Wind damage
Flood water
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I'll give you the lack of flood water, but if they were far enough away from the beach there would be no storm surge and on high ground the hurricane rains drain away pretty fast. As to wind damage, granted not a lot is visible in this pic. But a hurricane- experienced eye would note the downed power line immediately behind this impromptu neighborhood watch, and the scattered shingles lying about in the street. Yeah, they had some wind all right.

I don't know where this pic was taken but I'd bet these guys were closer to the storm than I was (visiting my mom 200 miles inland from the Gulf in western Alabama, just in case it came her way). I don't begrudge them their sign or their attitude, and I for sure would not want to swap places with them. We were only without power for 24 hours, and it only took me 7 days to chainsaw up and haul away the oak tree that blew down in her back yard...

lpl/nc (living in eastern NC 60 miles from the Atlantic, if I never see another hurricane it'll be too soon)
 
"The picture he posted has about a billion times more alcohol in it. The fact that the word D-R-U-N-K isn't spelled out, makes the picture that much more different?"

Absolute non sequitor.

The concept is one of CONSUMPTION while handling firearms.

It's about as irresponsible, and dangerous, and just as stupid, as drinking while driving.

"It seems to me that a few gentlemen on this forum need to go through a hurricaine and a couple of weeks of lawlessness."

Done it. Never felt the need to resort to a beer while carting around a firearm. Or take ridiculous pictures of same.

You know, it's funny, Trip, but I never claimed that there was alcohol present in the first picture. The gentlemen with the sign give that impression themselves.

But, you also can't definitively claim that there is alcohol in the second photo, either. It could be a staged photo from a play.

Works both ways.



Once again, though, far too many people fail to realize the true nature of what's being discussed here... It's one of perception, and what is presented to those who want to disarm us, not those who are our supporters.
 
Side note if I may:

What does
non sequitor
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mean? (sorry, I was schooled by the government :o )

Could a page be set up with all the latin/etc.. words on it so we that were educated by the government will know what they mean.

Sorry to be so stupid :o . (I know that I could look it up but then others that don't know what it means will be left out).

Wayne

edited: Thanks BluesMan :) (I didn't feel that a new post would have been appropriate since this is an aside).
 
Am I the only one who sees the humor in this picture? These guys are obviously not a bunch of guys who are proud of being drunk and playing around with guns. IMO, the "drunks with guns" sign is an attempt at a little lightheartedness at a serious time. As most of the responses have indicated, drunks with guns are to be feared a whole lot more than "responsible fathers with guns" or "trained firearms users with guns" or "firearms enthusiasts with guns" Heck, they'd probably shoot a looter by accident. If they really were drinking.

To me, if anything, it looks like they're poking a little fun at the notion that gunowners are a bunch of rednecks who get drunk and shoot people.

I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like to me. I don't see anyone who's actually drinking, looks drunk, or is handling a gun in an unsafe manner. If anyone here has his finger on the trigger (doesn't look like it to me) they're fewer than the ones I saw the last gun show.

BTW, during the two hurricanes we had last year I spent most of the storm itself on my front step drinking warm beer, eating tortilla chips with potted meat. Who wants to sit inside with a flashlight listening to the radio when it's 100 degrees in there and the A/C is out? Didn't play with my gun and shoot myself in the foot.
 
TheBluesMan said:
Trip 20 - Where did you get this picture?
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Email - forwarded to me, from my father. I think there was some reference to Katrina in the small body of text. It could be from any hurricane, or from some other sort of disaster. Or, it could be a group of construction workers who are having a liquid lunch in the middle of a long day of fixing downed power lines.

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You know, it's funny, Trip, but I never claimed that there was alcohol present in the first picture. The gentlemen with the sign give that impression themselves.
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I don't recall saying you claimed alcohol was present. You did though, used the term "open containers"... and people do not usually use that term unless they're speaking of alcohol.

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But, you also can't definitively claim that there is alcohol in the second photo, either. It could be a staged photo from a play.
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I totally agree. I'm not the one that said it was "pretty evident that there was liquor present" - when speaking of the shotgun pic. We can assume all we want from both pictures, from the ridiculous, to the probable. It works both ways, I agree with you.

While I do not think the men near the sign are portraying the picture perfect image of a gun owner (whatever that is), if getting thugs to think there's a bunch of crazy drunk rednecks who'll shoot at anything that moves, is a deterrent, +1 for ingenuity.

I see “SHTF” scenarios… all the time on TFL. These guys actually may have had to deal with the scenario “Ok, police have left town, and thugs are running rampant through your neighborhoods. What would you do?”

These fellas appear to have lived that thread and hopefully came out OK.
 
(side note: I know that I am skating on thin ice here, with my rep on the boards).

Yet I can't help to comment that Trip20 is making some sense here.

Wayne
 
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