The "Where is everything?" thread -- guns, ammo, primers, powder, etc.

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If I were a scalper sitting on an inventory I paid retail for, I'd be nervous.
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There's a lot of that going on now. I've got a shelf chock full of AR-15's, so there's no real incentive to offer top dollar on used ones. We're turning away a lot of unfired LNIB rifles because the owners want to recoup at least a portion of inflated prices they paid at gun shows during the panic.

We saw the same thing in late 2009. It's amazing how quickly this turns from a seller's market to a buyer's market when the panic subsides.
 
I saw boxes of 9mm, 40S&W, and .45ACP brass-cased (forget which brand) and bulk .22LR ammo just sitting in the case at: Reeves Ace Hardware in Clayton GA. this past week. Limit 2 boxes per customer on the 9mm, .22 and .45ACP.

I didn't even buy any - just don't need any right now, and this tells me that there are about to be a bunch of ammo hoarders who will be looking to offload their Walmart ammo......hmmmm, I'd say by mid to late August.
 
Scalpers, Hoarders etc.

To Tony Montana, who bribes cashiers to buy 30,000 primers, but doesn't hoard because he shoots machine guns; you may shoot machine guns, but you hoard as well. And don't pretend you don't. You can go through 30,000 rounds pretty quick in a machine gun, but most do not. You have maybe a couple shoots a year, 6000 per. You may shoot a couple of times other than that, maybe 1000 per. But you've got a multi multi year supply of primers there, unless you are in fact an infantry squad. If you are in fact an infantry squad, then I stand corrected. Please accept my apologies. (Co. D, 2/134 whoaah!) (Oh, and just so you don't take offense; skip ahead, I maintain a pretty good stash myself.)

To the scalpers; HA HA!! If you've been paying retail at walmart and selling at retard on gunbroker, you are about to find out if your 22lr is edible. As in you are going to have to eat it. Either that or miss a couple of truck payments. I am looking forward to the day when those of you sitting on 10's of thousands of rounds you never had any intention of shooting are trying to find anybody who'll give you 2.5 cents per round, because you can buy it for 5 cents at wally world and pay no shipping. I guess my 'stash' was just about the correct amount, because I'm down to about 1500 rounds, which would last me almost six months if I couldn't find any more. The good news is that I could have bought some from either Midway or Cabelas today. It is available now, through normal retail channels. I haven't even looked at wally world since around Christmas. I hear it occasionally sits there longer than a day now(wally world in a small southeast Iowa town). Don't know; it's summer and I probably won't be back in a retail establishment of that size until at least October. But my 'ace in the hole' has never been 'out of stock'. He'd never let that happen. He's running low now, to be sure, which means he has but one or two pallets left, but he'll be buying a lot of it in the next couple of years; at heartbreak prices, on estate sales, where ever he finds it cheap. He'll sell it cheap too, until there's a shortage. Then he'll sell it at established retail prices, but only to people he knows.

You can rest assured, when the price on gunbroker finally breaks, or people are passing on it at the sportsman's auction, I too will be the bidder of last resort. And my stockpile level will be two or three times what it once was. I never intended to find myself with only 1500 rounds of 22lr on hand. I started with about 4000, and have had to curtail my target practice a bit, at least on the rimfire stuff which was probably about 90% of it. I won't ever find myself in that position again. And my reloading supply level is likely to double or triple now too. Once everything is available at normal prices again.

If you have a couple thousand invested in 22lr and are selling it at the flea market or online; good luck to you. I hope you made enough during the boom to cover the bust, or at least aren't using money you needed to get back this year.

Final thought; in the mean time it has been very interesting to watch how Americans, quietly and without being told to do so, rearm themselves even as our government contemplates the usefulness and relevance of the bill of rights in the modern era. There's such balance in nature. Don't need that kind of gun? Don't need that many bullets? HA! If I only had to worry about defending myself against criminals they might be right. When the government finally decides they've had enough of us uppity peasants with our dam free speech rights and our dam privacy and our dam guns; it will be time to remind them that an armed subject is a citizen requiring respect.

Pray that our leaders take note of that fact before we come to that state of affairs. Civil war is such a drag on the economy.
 
people weren't hoarding to the same degree that they are now...
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Actually, we have no way of knowing. People who are prepared might very well be less likely to verbalize it.

Faced with a sudden bulk buy bargani -OR- faced with the possibility that the price of or availability of anything, not just ammo, might take a turn for the worse, a wise end user would be nuts not to stock up.

If I had the money today and someone offered me enough ammo to last for the next 30 years at a bargain price, I'd sure buy it. If that makes me a hoarder, then I'm a hoarder. But I also don't have to camp out at Wally World for my three boxes at a time.


Sgt Lumpy
 
Denny had a nice editorial on hoarders in SWAT. I just got some 9mm from Cabela's. I'm basically replacing what I shoot in matches.

For MGTony - curious - what gun are you shooting?
 
Actually, we have no way of knowing. People who are prepared might very well be less likely to verbalize it.
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Prepared for what? You guys and your paranoid fantasies keep throwing this word out as if it were the second coming of Christ. And for the record, it's not hoarding if there's an abundance of ammo. There was an abundance of ammo two years ago and now there's very little. I just don't understand how some of you believe your own BS. "I just bought 10k rounds of 22 ammo, but I'm not hoarding. lol"
 
The Dam Is Breaking

I was going to post the primed 300 AAC Blackout brass that became available, but by the time I double checked the link, it sold out. I got some, finally. I've only been waiting 4 or 5 months. I got a whopping 300 pieces. In this market, I feel like a hoarder :rolleyes:

MidwayUSA's inventory depth on the 22lr I posted yesterday must have been pretty good. The cheaper stuff sold out not long after I posted the link, but the 60 grain sub sonic was available all day and well into late evening.

I really like the way Midway has handled the crunch. They put limits on high demand items and held their prices down when they could. I've cross checked sites for supply and price periodically with some jaw dropping discoveries. For example, I found CheaperThanDirt.com was 2-3 times higher than MidwayUSA for some items :eek: "Cheaper Than Dirt" is anything but. The problem with Free Market Forces is that consumers are the other half of the equation. Going forward, I don't see any reason to have a bookmark for ShearerAndDirt, and I suspect others will share that sentiment.

While I couldn't get many things the moment I wanted them, between my search linked bookmarks and email notifications from Midway, I've been able to get much of what I was looking for with a modicum of patience.
 
Re: Small Pistol Primers In Stock

Now sold out, but be sure to check back frequently. Here's why:

I've run into this a number of times. After an email notification that says a product is available, it's sold out by the time I get the email or put it in my cart and try to check out. But a little while later, it's available again.

As their crew unloads stock, they put it into the system and it's immediately available for purchase. Then it appears sold out. BUT, if they've received multiple pallets from the same manufacturer in the same truck load, there may be a delay before the additional inventory on the next pallet appears in the system. Frequently, something that becomes available but sells out quickly will suddenly become available again after some interval - when nobody's looking and everybody's assuming they missed it. Keep that in mind and check back frequently during the day if you experience an available/out of stock condition.
 
While out running errands the wife and I stopped by our local Dunhams. We walked to the gun counter with hopes of finding some 9mm target ammo for her 92fs since she was running low. She was down to about a weeks worth(4 boxes). I turned the corner, looked in the ammo cabinet, and to my surprise I saw 5 boxes of Remington green box. The guy working the counter said "can I help you?". I said "sure I'd like to grab the 9mm in there". He said "which one? the 50rd or the bulk pack?". Bulk pack? I didn't see a yellow box. He pointed to the 2 brown cardboard 1000rd loose bulk packs sitting there. It had been 6 months since I've laid eyes on a box with that quantity I just didnt believe it. We chose to only take the one even though she couldve used both to get her through the rest of the summer. It wasnt a horrible price. $225. I think that seeing those quantities on the shelf in the afternoon that things are vastly improved even over just a few weeks ago.

For those whining about hoarding im curious are you going to blame the ammo makers for shipping 1000rd boxes? All I can say is once the flow increases we will have enough on hand to outlast another drought like this and more. We were clearly unprepared with our 1000rds per caliber minimum at the ready.
 
Prepared for what?
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I guess I wasn't quite clear enough in my post.

Prepared for price fluxuation, unavailability, low availability.

Bullets, corn flakes, toothpaste, I buy them all in bulk at a lower price than I could if I bought them one at a time. Sorry if you think I'm keeping you from getting any bullets, corn flakes or toothpaste.

Bottom line here, that guy that you disdain because he's "hoarding" has bullets. You don't.


Sgt Lumpy
 
I used the term hoarders and what I really meant was scalpers, let me say that if you have any components and have an intent to use them, buy them up! Now to buy and then sell 2-3 times retail to those who actually are an end user because of availability shortages and greed, then shame on you, and im sure it was the op's intent to be in favor of the reloader.

Now can this thread get back to its original purpose to give fellow reloaders a heads up on whats going on in the availability world and stop pointing fingers at whos "hoarding" ?
 
A good sign at least...

Walked into my local Wal-Mart last night at 7:30. They still had multiple boxes of the following handgun ammo:

.357 magnum, (both 50 round and 100 round packs)
.38 special
.40 S&W
.45 ACP
.380 Auto
9 mm

And according to the clerk at the counter, it was all from a shipment that was put out the previous morning. It was the most ammo and widest selection I have seen in my area since Christmas. I left it all right there since I have enough reloading components to get me by for the summer at least.
 
If you are in central Texas, gun store in Austin known as McBrides has lots of small pistol primer and a god amount of powder. They have plenty of shotgun primer, which no one seems to want.

They have lots of projectiles in stock, but unfortunately, they don't have bulk bullets.
 
Now to buy and then sell 2-3 times retail to those who actually are an end user because of availability shortages and greed, then shame on you,
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No shame. This always happens in a bubble. We're at the tail end of an Ammo bubble. Remember the real estate bubble? People "flipping" houses, bidding wars etc.? After the bust they couldn't get rid of their $350,000 houses for even $150,000. Remember the slogan "Land.....they don't make it anymore...." "Ammo, they don't make it anymore" - yeah, right.

When supply loosens, scalpers panic. Ever been to a college football game? I always buy my tickets from scalpers just before (or sometimes just after) kickoff, and usually pay less than face value as the scalpers are desperately trying to unload their useless tickets. Why? Scalper panic, or they made enough money on the suckers and are ready to dump what they have to just try to recoup what they have in those tickets. When the jig is up, the scalpers panic and dump. When the frenzy begins, they won't be able to dump their ammo fast enough.

When this happens, I predict:

1. Scalpers showing up at gun shows selling ammo out of the back of their trucks and SUV's in the parking lot, with cardboard signs saying "AMMO FOR SALE, 223, 9mm, 45"

2. More ammo tables at gun shows than people selling firearms

3. sales boards in forums like this one lots of ammo ads.

4. Eventually, they will find it difficult to even give the cheap stuff like Wolf, away.

I'm not buying any bulk ammo until Ammo is in a full-blown free-fall. Even when everyone here is bragging about being able to buy as much ammo as they can find, I'll still be sitting on the sidelines munching popcorn. Scalpers and bottom-feeders - a hated lot; I prefer to be a bottom feeder.
 
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where is it.

Starline brass has 45 p+acp AVAILABLE! Looks like regular apc will run in July.
 
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Ammo at Gander Mountain

I just ordered 5 boxes of 22lr, CCI Velocitor from Gander Mountain. They showed as being in stock. We'll see.

And thanks, Closing The Gap, I got the 2 box limit from Midway. Shipping was $15.53 tho.
 
My sis just snagged me 2000 22lr from walmart. I see Scheels is finally getting a stock level of AR's on hand along with some primers and bullets. Powder is still a no go around here though
 
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