The US military is shooting +P+ now?

S&B 9mm 115gr (normal 9mm 115gr load) is 1,280FPS
https://www.sellierbellot.us/produc...on/pistol-and-revolver-cartridges/detail/290/

Fiocchi 9APHP is at 1250fps.

Fiocchi 9AP 115gr was printed at 1250fps until a bit ago.

Both Fiocchi loads are not marked +P but Fiocchi does have a +P 38 special round...

Whinchster RA9115HP at 1335FPS on the box.

Federal Classic is 1300fps.
https://le.vistaoutdoor.com/ammunition/federal/handgun/details.aspx?id=526

Speer Gold Dot 53612 is 1300fps on the box.

124gr +P can clock in at 1300fps in full sized 5" barrel.

9mm Major your looking at 1400FPS.

This is not a magic or unique round.


Didn't even mention BB, DT, Underwood with their lack of pressure testing compared to Federal/Speer/etc.
 
wild cat mccane said:
Yes. Don't go to the Fiocchi USA website.

If you have Fiocchi in that green/red box before the recent change, you're likely dealing with these:

https://www.fiocchi.com/en/category...uger/line/classic-cal-9-luger-pistol-revolver

Federal Classic +P+ still being made. 1,300FPS.
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The fastest velocity listed at that link is 390 m/s, which is 1280 FPS. It’s a 115 gr bullet.

The only reason I even commented about this again was because AustinTX made a point about total pressure versus peak pressure. I really have no desire to go through a series of back and forth with you again. It’s one cartridge variant from one manufacturer. It’s not really something to get worked up over.


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And I'm just saying that round is nothing special and the world "developed" is being used to make the buyer believe a 9mm 115gr at 1300fps on a truncated bullet is new, believe this is the US military round, and it's being shot in mass.

It isn't.

:)

The magazine articles that just keep citing each other are wrong. Proven by financial data that this round isn't even a small portion of the US military's training. (though written a while back and the finance data is current)
 
If they are selling ".380 +P" which isn't a SAAMI or CIP rating which are the two standards for pressure checking...how do you suggest they are pressure checking their ammo?
 
wild cat mccane said:
If they are selling ".380 +P" which isn't a SAAMI or CIP rating which are the two standards for pressure checking...how do you suggest they are pressure checking their ammo?
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You said BB, DT and Underwood don't pressure test their ammo. This statement requires evidence to support it.

Did you ask BB, DT or Underwood if they test the chamber pressure of their loads? Did you? You just said you made it up. Re-read your post.

You just said you made it up. Do you not understand what you said? I find it concerning that you would make something up out of thin air, since this erodes your reputation for posting factual information, and folks would have a good reason to not believe your future and past posts.

Ironically, if they say they are selling +p 380 ammo, it implies they tested chamber pressure in order to make that statement, otherwise they would not know that it was over standard pressure limits. It's certainly not an argument for not pressure testing their ammo.
 
https://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_P_ammo.htm

Chuck Hawks said:
How about the "+P" cartridges for calibers such as the .32 ACP and .380 ACP that are offered by some specialty ammo makers, such as Buffalo Bore? The answer, as far as I can determine, is that there are no SAAMI standards for +P ammunition in these calibers.

Ammunition so labeled is not true +P. It is either loaded to the standard SAAMI MAP for the cartridge (perhaps right at the upper limit), or loaded to higher than permissible (thus potentially dangerous) pressure. The former is a marketing gimmick to stimulate sales and the latter (over-pressure loads) are not safe for use in all guns and may degrade your pistol's reliability and longevity.
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