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Mark,

Begging your pardon, but it was I that cited examples in this vein, and could go on to fill several long posts with material by both corporate and political leaders - such as people like George W Bush.

It was someone else who then implied that it was ridiculous. If someone thinks that my statements and examples are ridiculous, let them prove their point. Rather than simply injecting negative comments. ;)

I can say; "the Federal Reserve Bank is a private corporation" - or I can say "I'd like to see the evidence that the Federal Reserve Bank is owned by the Federal government".

Amounts to the same thing. It either is, or it is not.

I can say; "There is a consistant intentional mainstream media aversion to the objective discussion of the 2nd Amendment and private gun ownership for self defense" - or I can say, "I'd like to see some evidence that mainstream media is not in lockstep opposition to the objective discussion of the 2nd Amendment and private gun ownership for self defence".

They amount to the same thing. It either is so, or it is not.
 
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Wallew,

Unfortunately, the history of tyrants and their regimes are contrary to your model. And when you analyse such things it is important to note that it is only necessary to influence key people in key places to move things one direction or the other. Influence can take many forms; it does not have to be be knowing and willing compliance. It can be unwitting compliance, it can be duress, it can be in total ignorance. It does not have to be under the blatant threat of force, and is most often far more subtle. I have seen and experienced this kind of thing firsthand many times.

In addition to the military, I too have worked in and around the corporate world for close to 25 years in one form or another, some of with a local or national government interface. I could not begin to count the number of people who have been aware of, or have wittingly partaken in, turned a blind eye to, or simply not paid serious attention to illegal and or immoral practices in the corporate world, many of them quite serious. The reasons vary, but they can range from pure personal gain to simple fear of losing ones' job.

This is simply old hat for me, and not something that surprizes me when I see or hear of it elsewhere.

As for hard currency, there is non-confiscatable bullion in numismatic form. And as for the actions of FDR, I do not have the slave mindset; any current or future FDR is not going to get the pleasure of stealing any of my gold or silver etc, and I am definately not about to gather it up and take it to them.
 
Rich,

How many syndicated TV networks, radio, newspapers, and other mainstream print operations objectively discuss the 2nd Amendment, examine gun control and firearms in general?

How is it that there is a consistant and steadfast line of resistance to this in mainstream media? What is the mathmatical probability that all the editors and controlling corporate staff of just about every mainstream media entity just "happen to be" hostile to such things? Is there not an obvious measure of control of this subject matter? Or is it simply "coincidence" that they all seem to "agree"?
 
And let's roll back to Wallew's original closing statement:
WHAT is the world wide economy based on? CREDIT! Not hard currency. Sad if you think about it.
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Right; we have a DEBT-based currency. And debt means interest payments. Interest payments to who? Private corporations called banks.

Was this organized? Or did it just happen "by accident"? Or was it "always that way"?.
 
LAK-
Can't answer your question. As the publisher of a worldwide newsstand magazine, I fall into the "mainstream media" category.

I was about to argue that I most certainly favor private firearms ownership and kind of say so in my magazine.....in fact on about every page. Unfortunately, today's Orders just arrived by encoded fax. I'm not allowed to reply further.

I think you're obviously getting too close to "Them", LAK. They're starting to weaken. Watch your back.
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Rich
 
LAK,

How many syndicated TV networks, radio, newspapers, and other mainstream print operations objectively discuss the 2nd Amendment, examine gun control and firearms in general?
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No offense. Apparently you don't get the OLN channel. OR live in the Northwest, where Public Access television has numberous shows that do just this. Just like the shows on OLN. Less overall 'discussion/examination' of gun control than gun rights in general, but it's out there.

You need to get better access to 'da media'. Consider a larger satellite disk. C or K band should do it.

When it comes to radio, get a shortwave radio. There are two or three programs daily that discuss just this. And lets not forget SWAT magazine. That's definitely main stream media. To say nothing of failed magazines like 'The Patriot', where the guy just couldn't get circulation established before he ran out of money.

And regards to our debt based society. You can thank FDR and all his spinelss chronies, past and present, for that one. They passed along all the problems that they were facing during the depression. No one has yet had the guts to take on the problems. They have just passed along the 'past debt' to future generations.

Didn't you find it 'odd' that during Bill Clintons last four years, the Congress 'eliminated' all the debt the US government had incurred during the past six decades. RIGHT!

And then a Republican gets in control and all of a sudden we have the largest governmetn debt ever! RIGHT!

I can say; "the Federal Reserve Bank is a private corporation" - or I can say "I'd like to see the evidence that the Federal Reserve Bank is owned by the Federal government".

Amounts to the same thing. It either is, or it is not.
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Let's see. The FRB is NOT a government agency. It is controlled by the US Congress. They appoint the head of the FRB at their discretion. Kindly name ANY other corporation that's NOT a government agency that has the head of the company appointed by the US Congress. Also, FRB employees are not government employees and are not part of the government pension. They, like our politicians, have their own pension system that has nothing to do with the US government.

All of the FRB's are basically owned by the banks in their district. I believe I've posted that earlier in this thread, from a friend of mine. So, yes, they are part of the government, kind of. And no, they are not part of the government. Does that help or make any sense?

Thank GOD they are NOT part of the US government, because if politicians could control our monetary supply we would be SCREWED, BLUED AND TATTOED.

I could not begin to count the number of people who have been aware of, or have wittingly partaken in, turned a blind eye to, or simply not paid serious attention to illegal and or immoral practices in the corporate world, many of them quite serious. The reasons vary, but they can range from pure personal gain to simple fear of losing ones' job.
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So even you admit that there are lots of reasons why people do illegal, immoral practices. But at no time did you mention 'big brother' either guiding it all or having complete control over them. Velly interesting.

As for hard currency, there is non-confiscatable bullion in numismatic form. And as for the actions of FDR, I do not have the slave mindset; any current or future FDR is not going to get the pleasure of stealing any of my gold or silver etc, and I am definately not about to gather it up and take it to them.
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When FDR confiscated all the gold coins available at that time, the US government got all but one $20 gold piece. They finally got the possession of even that one. And it stayed locked in a vault for decades while the court battles raged. So, if you don't turn in your 'confiscatable' bullion, with WHOM will you spend it? And if you do find someone to spend it with and they turn you in, you will lose everything. Why?

Because everything is confiscatable. EVERYTHING. Your possessions, your home, even your life. If you don't believe me, get into a mixup with the IRS or the ATF or the FBI or (pick your own alphabet agency) and then give them the same "it's mine and you can't have it attitude" and you will find out exactly how quickly you and your possessions will be parted from one another.

There are numerous examples of this occuring just within the gun culture, to say nothing of the rest of the citizens of this country. Can we say Ruby Ridge or Waco? So please, a little reality, if you don't mind. While it sounds great that one person could hold on and fight the might of the US government, it's just not reality. Go ask David Koresh, er the four to ten people who actually survived Waco. Then we can discuss what the government can and will seize at their own leisure.

Sorry to pop that bubble for you. Again, that's just an example within our gun culture. There are lots more examples that have nothing to do with firearms at all. The EPA does it all the time. So do state and local agencies that fund their budgets, some as much as 80%, by selling confiscated goods from people they arrest.

Notice I didn't say 'and take to trial'. Because there are WAY to many instances where the person is arrested, their possessions sold off, the person is released, never seeing their possessions again. And the attitude of the federal, state or local agencies is 'sue us'!

And I'll bet you knew all of this anyway. So tell me again what is NON-CONFISCATABLE?

One last thing for everybody. With the passing of 'The Greatest Generation' we will loose the people that remember when a house did not escalate in price, but like the rest of your possessions lost value the longer you owned it. Then the powers that be sold us on the idea of 'there's only so much land' so it must become more expensive. What a crock. Until there is no longer one square meter of land to build on, we were sold a bill of goods. Why? So that the banks could 'control' all the assets that we have.

We all go into unbelievable debt so we can 'own' our own home. The only problem is, once you pay off your debt, all you get is a 'deed of trust'. All that means is the government owns your property and are leasing it to you via yearly property taxes. Try and NOT pay those property taxes and you will find out right quick who ACTUALLY owns 'your' property.

Don't believe me? Read this thread, currently in Legal and Political:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164043
 
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Rich,

SWAT may be "mainstream" in that many of the people who read your magazine could be considered mainstream, be they peace officers, other government employees in addition to others.

But hardly what I refer to. If you do not know what I mean by mainstream media I could list all the syndicated television news, radio and print media that I am sure most everyone else reading this forum knows I am talking about.

Uh ... except Wallew.

Wallew, some cable channels are a relatively new thing, and like SW radio have limited audiences. Sure, anyone who is a shooter and has a subscription to the "Outdoor channel" etc and maybe well under 20 years old is going to just shrug their shoulders. But are you going to try and tell me now that somehow there has not been a control factor at work on the subject matter?

This very subject has been up in firearms and shooting circles for decades.

Let's talk about CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX etc. Let's talk about Time, Newsweek, etc. The New York Times, USA Today etc. All the major syndicated media that just about everyone in America is familiar with.

This controlled media factor continues in places like the U.K., and continues here in all the major media going back several decades.
 
LAK-
I was just messin' with you. I'm honestly not in the club....yet. ;)

Nobody questions your point as to the bent of the Mainstream Media. I do question your claims as to the source. One need only look to the history of civilization, (eg: Rome and Athens) to find a far more believable explanation for the dumbing down of a culture than Super-Secret-World-Dominating-Handlers giving orders to all the Editors, Reporters and Owners.
Rich
 
LAK,

Apparently you don't understand the meaning of MAINSTREAM.

ANY media outlet that is published and distributed nationwide would fall into the category of 'MAINSTREAM'. That's from the retail book seller I used to work for as Director of Computer Operations. Used to be Bookstop, but we got bought out by Barnes & Noble and everyone was laid off back in 1991.

Apparently, your ownly definition is that they have been in business for decades.

So, I guess that lets out USA TODAY? Does LIFE magazine count? I don't think they've been consistently published for years, but once in a while release something.

Publications that are NOT mainstream are ones that are distributed for a local area only. Kind of like the shows I was talking about in the NORTHWEST. While they are mainstream in the NW, they do not qualify because they do not get nationwide distribution.

So, is RUSH LIMBAUGH mainstream? How about Ken Hamblin?

Does Soldier of Fortune fall into your classification of mainstream media? Probably not. Though it is a mainstream magazine. It's published monthly and has a wide distribution, even overseas.

As far as the lefty news media outlets you named, excluding Fox News Channel, most are on the decline in viewership. Kind of like Dan Rather's popularity. They no longer have a 'choke hold' on the American public. Ain't competition GREAT? FNC, unlike the other news media outlets, are on the rise in viewership.

I think the only person here who does not have a firm grasp on the meaning of mainstream media is you. As someone who has been paid and published by both local and mainstream motorcycle rags, I do know the difference.

Local rags either don't pay at all or don't pay as well as the mainstream ones do. And that's good enough for me.

Which mainstream or local media outlets have you worked for again? Just curious.
 
I don't know why you folks just don't get that the entire world is run by the Bilderburgers who control the Trilateral Commission, who in turn control the CFR (which Bush is a member of), and they're all controlled by the


JEWS!!! ;) !​
 
Interesting thread. I trade currency for a living, it's what I do five days a week from 3 A.M. local until 2 P.M. local when the US market closes. I concern myself with the value of one currency when it is compaired to another. I've been doing this for two years and I make money at it, other wise I would not be in the business. The value of money is perception. If the Euro dollar is percieved to be stronger than the US dollar, then it takes more US dollars to buy a Euro. The reverse is also true. Yesterday, Friday March 4, 2005 is a perfect example. The US market news produced a spike down to 1.3085 in the Euro/US pair, in other words for a brief time it cost $1.3085 to buy a single Euro. By the end of business on the same day it cost over $1.32 US dollars to buy a Euro. What had changed? NOT a DAMN THING except perception of values.
 
Rich,

These people hardly operate in "secret"; it's open and in your face. It is just a fact, that they know as well as anyone else, that most people - enough people - do not read from their speeches, deabates, and organizational journals, or other public sources of their material.
 
Wallew,

I am sure that is what they might call it. What is conservative has been redefined - and what is normal and abnormal have been redefined in so many areas in this country over the last 40 years it would be difficult to list them all in a small book.

main·stream
n. The prevailing current of thought, influence, or activity.
adj. Representing the prevalent attitudes, values, and practices of a society or group.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

.... Key words; prevalent and prevailing.

And that sums up the media empire I speak of. They are the prevalent and prevailing source of news, information and education for most people. Sure "CNN declined in ratings this year", so and so's "ratings are down on last year" ... regardless the combined networks of syndicated TV news, radio, print, publishing etc can be accurately described as the mainstream media.
 
kjm,

Have you ever seen any footage of George Herbert Walker Bush speaking - and some of his cronies - at some of the organizations you mention? Have you read any of their material?

As for Jews, they really have nothing to do with this. I doubt whether Greenscam practices any religion - let alone that of the Hebrews. It is amusing how that one pops up all the time though.

I am probably about as "jewish" as Greenscam. A good portion of my family are. I wonder how much it would help me "get away with" if I had a mind to start scamming a large number of people and fleecing them for their excess cash. Anyone even asks what I am doing, I can just start shouting, "Ah I see, I see! it's us Jews again right!!??" ;)
 
kantuc2,

During the late 1970s through the late 80s I watched the Deutschmark and the Pound Sterling against the dollar rise and fall to some extremes.

$2.00+ to 1 PSterling, down to almost one to one - about $1.10 to 1 PSterling - in a period of a year or so, then back to $1.50 to 1 Sterling, and so on. Similar extremes with the DMark; DM3.5+ to $1, down to DM1.69 to $1 and up again. Many people were making a killing until American Express banks in europe serving military bases put a DM 2,000 limit on exchange transactions. Some people carried on though and simply did their trading with cash at the German banks.
 
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