The REAL Hogzilla!....(link)
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oldbillthundercheif
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The first hogzilla was dug up, measured, and DNA tested fairly recently.
It was smaller than claimed, but not by much. DNA showed it was the offspring of a feral domestic pig and a wild pig. This was a big deal because the two had not been known previously to mate in the wild.
This new one is a crock. The tractor photo looks kosher but the rest are obvious fakes.
Why do people feel the need to blow these things out of proportion? It was a damn big pig to start off with. That would be good enough for me.
It was smaller than claimed, but not by much. DNA showed it was the offspring of a feral domestic pig and a wild pig. This was a big deal because the two had not been known previously to mate in the wild.
This new one is a crock. The tractor photo looks kosher but the rest are obvious fakes.
Why do people feel the need to blow these things out of proportion? It was a damn big pig to start off with. That would be good enough for me.
lfmayor...
We had a small "Pig Palace" on the ranch and raised Hampshires...
We took the boar to market and he weighed in at over 650...
I was just a kid of 14 and that pig was scary-big to me!
A wild/feral-mixed hog was shot in Holister, Kalifornica back about 1960, or there abouts, that weighed in at a little over 725...
Wild Pigs in that Big Sur area have a faint trace of Russian Boar in them, because there were a couple of dozen Russians released from the Hearst Ranch Menagerie at San Simeon back in... I think it was the 30's.
I agree with you... If you haven't been up close and personal with a really big hog... you will never believe in photos like these...
We had a small "Pig Palace" on the ranch and raised Hampshires...
We took the boar to market and he weighed in at over 650...
I was just a kid of 14 and that pig was scary-big to me!
A wild/feral-mixed hog was shot in Holister, Kalifornica back about 1960, or there abouts, that weighed in at a little over 725...
Wild Pigs in that Big Sur area have a faint trace of Russian Boar in them, because there were a couple of dozen Russians released from the Hearst Ranch Menagerie at San Simeon back in... I think it was the 30's.
I agree with you... If you haven't been up close and personal with a really big hog... you will never believe in photos like these...
ojibweindian
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I live about an hour-and-a-half northwest of Anniston (maybe two), and haven't heard a thing in the local papers about this pig. I did hear that the "Rick and Bubba" morning show, out of Birmingham, had the boy and an adult on the program last week.
Anyways, the rumor is (http://www.aldeer.com) that the hog was actually a domestic that was released onto the two hundred acre property where it was shot. So, it's not "really" wild in a traditional sense.
Anyways, the rumor is (http://www.aldeer.com) that the hog was actually a domestic that was released onto the two hundred acre property where it was shot. So, it's not "really" wild in a traditional sense.
FirstFreedom
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That sounds more like it.
Dirty_Harry
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My 20 year old buddies have trouble handling a .44 magnum, that kid has to be a beast or like Art said, his father did the shooting for him.
I however handle the .500 quite well
I however handle the .500 quite well
Quote: "Well, the OP got his wish by riling us all up, and now he's gone. This one should be done now..."
Holy cow guys.....cut a guy some slack. I have had a little computer trouble lately...Geez My intent was not to rile anyone up or anything of the sort....I wish I knew the people who killed this pig, but I don't. All I did was post an interesting website that I found. I stated that the pig was killed near my hometown of B'ham. I don't live there anymore, I live in a little town called Wetumpka down in mid/south Alabama, so I can't exactly run up the street to see a pig carcass. I am not saying that the photo is acurate or that it does not have 'forced perspective' I have no clue.....The validity is for everyone to debate, but like I said...I don't have a personal connection to this story so....my apologies if I twisted anyone's panties....
-Tim
Holy cow guys.....cut a guy some slack. I have had a little computer trouble lately...Geez My intent was not to rile anyone up or anything of the sort....I wish I knew the people who killed this pig, but I don't. All I did was post an interesting website that I found. I stated that the pig was killed near my hometown of B'ham. I don't live there anymore, I live in a little town called Wetumpka down in mid/south Alabama, so I can't exactly run up the street to see a pig carcass. I am not saying that the photo is acurate or that it does not have 'forced perspective' I have no clue.....The validity is for everyone to debate, but like I said...I don't have a personal connection to this story so....my apologies if I twisted anyone's panties....
-Tim
Verification.....
Here you go....the link to the Anniston Star story on it. ....It appears it is real.
http://www.annistonstar.com/sports/2007/as-outdoors-0523-bstrickland-7e22x5106.htm
-Tim
Here you go....the link to the Anniston Star story on it. ....It appears it is real.
http://www.annistonstar.com/sports/2007/as-outdoors-0523-bstrickland-7e22x5106.htm
-Tim
It appears you have to subscibe to the paper to get into this link......
Here is the copy/paste:
Hog heaven: Taxidermist confirms monster pig
By Bran Strickland
Star Sports Editor
05-23-2007
Jamison Stone, left, and guide Keith O'Neal of Southeastern Trophy Hunters stand by the monster pig taken by Stone. The pig weighed in at 1,051 pounds. Photo: Southeastern Trophy Hunters
DELTA — It's real.
And it's big.
It's a really big pig.
Soon after the story began circulating on the Internet of 11-year-old Jamison Stone's harvest of a 1,051-pound feral hog in Delta, the doubters came out in droves.
But Jerry Cunningham, of Jerry's Taxidermy in Oxford, says he saw it right after it was taken. And he's the one currently in possession of the poker.
Cunningham was called on to handle the mounting of the animal. He said they told him it was a giant, and, after laying eyes on the animal, he says they weren't exaggerating.
“Biggest thing I'd ever seen,” he said. “… It's huge.”
According to Mike Stone, Jamison's father, the hog weighed 1,051 pounds.
It was weighed at the Clay County Farmer's Exchange in Lineville. Workers at the co-op verified that the scales used, basic truck scales, were recently certified by the state. However, no workers from the co-op were present when the hog was weighed.
Stone, a Pickensville resident, said the hog was also measured two different ways. Suspended from rear hoof to snout, he was 10 feet, 7 inches. From snout to tail, it was just more than 9 feet.
The only measurements that can currently be verified — because the hog is in post-processing mode — are sizes of the hog from the shoulder up, the method that the Stones are using to preserve their trophy. Cunningham will have to use those measurements to create a form for the mount, as prefab mounts do not come that big.
The circumference of the hog's head (across the ears) is 54 inches.
Around its shoulders, it's 74 inches.
And the length of its snout — from its eyes to the end of its nose — is 11 inches.
“I couldn't believe it,” Jamison said after he first saw it. “It was the size of a cow. It was huge.”
Perhaps as astounding as the size of the hog was how the story got out — or didn't. The old adage of news traveling fast in a small town wasn't quite the case.
Driving around the dusty backroads of the rural community of Delta, story of the monster pig wasn't widely known. Even in nearby Lineville, the picture that appeared on the front page of Tuesday's Anniston Star was the first many people had heard about it. But in cyberspace, the news has traveled a great deal faster. And let's just say people have gone hog wild.
In attempts to do something nice for his young son, Mike Stone created a Web site, www.monsterpig.com, to help show off his kill. He also created it to help cut down on the time of sending e-mail out to family and friends.
However, the simple concept of the Web site has grown into much, much more.
At the site is a simple recount of the animal, its size and what was used to harvest the hog. It also includes pictures, a way to contact Jamison and some of the e-mails he received — good and bad.
According to Stone, the host for the Web site (www.godaddy.com) said the number of requests — or hits — totaled 1,246,464 as of Monday.
Calls have come all the way from California, where Jamison appeared on a radio talk show. According to Mike Stone and the Web site, Jamison has gotten words of congratulation from Rickey Medlocke of Lynyrd Skynyrd, country music star Kenny Chesney, Tom Knapp of Benelli firearms and Jerry Miculek of Smith & Wesson.
The hunt
Just as it goes with skinning cats, there's more than one way to harvest a hog.
Some track them with dogs. Some wait them out in tree stands, and others — braver ones — stalk-hunt the creatures.
The Stones, manned with guides Keith O'Neal and Chris Williams, chose the latter when purchasing the hunt from Eddy Borden of Lost Creek Plantation.
It wasn't Stone's first time hog hunting at the preserve. Not long before his son's harvest, he had taken a feral swine himself. At the time, he said he was quite proud of it.
“It was about 600 pounds,” he said. “I thought it was massive at the time.”
After using the stalk-hunting method, the weapon of choice was a modified .50-caliber pistol that had been modified with a holographic scope and a ported barrel to cut down on some its recoil. It was also packing a 350-grain Horaday bullet.
They ventured out and found the hog, and that's when the ordeal started.
To kill the massive beast, 16 shots were fired — all by Jamison. Approximately nine landed. They tracked — and sometimes were forced to avoid — the hog for more than three hours.
Just how big again?
The elder Stone says all he really knew was it was a big pig. Just how big it was — with respect to records — he didn't know.
“It was a pretty uneventful thing until the day after,” Mike Stone said. “I hadn't seen a lot of pigs up close. I didn't know it was a monster pig. I just knew it was a big as a cow.”
It wasn't until the day after the hunt when Stone received an e-mail from a friend informing him that, some time ago, Hogzilla had been found to be only 800 pounds (in a National Geographic documentary on the hog). Chris Griffin, who killed the Hogzilla, had said it was in excess of 1,000 pounds.
“When all that happened, I looked over at my wife and said, 'This is a big deal,'” he said. “Hogzilla wasn't even as big as the one Jamison killed.”
State records on feral swine are not kept by the Alabama Department of Conservation.
According to biologists, pigs such as Hogzilla and this one are not the norm. Average free-roaming feral swine grow to modest sizes compared to this beast.
“You might get a boar that weighs 300 or so,” said Dr. Jim Armstrong, Extension Wildlife Specialist and Associate Professor for Auburn University's School of Forestry and Wildlife Sciences. “That's a big pig.”
-Tim
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Here is the copy/paste:
Hog heaven: Taxidermist confirms monster pig
By Bran Strickland
Star Sports Editor
05-23-2007
Jamison Stone, left, and guide Keith O'Neal of Southeastern Trophy Hunters stand by the monster pig taken by Stone. The pig weighed in at 1,051 pounds. Photo: Southeastern Trophy Hunters
DELTA — It's real.
And it's big.
It's a really big pig.
Soon after the story began circulating on the Internet of 11-year-old Jamison Stone's harvest of a 1,051-pound feral hog in Delta, the doubters came out in droves.
But Jerry Cunningham, of Jerry's Taxidermy in Oxford, says he saw it right after it was taken. And he's the one currently in possession of the poker.
Cunningham was called on to handle the mounting of the animal. He said they told him it was a giant, and, after laying eyes on the animal, he says they weren't exaggerating.
“Biggest thing I'd ever seen,” he said. “… It's huge.”
According to Mike Stone, Jamison's father, the hog weighed 1,051 pounds.
It was weighed at the Clay County Farmer's Exchange in Lineville. Workers at the co-op verified that the scales used, basic truck scales, were recently certified by the state. However, no workers from the co-op were present when the hog was weighed.
Stone, a Pickensville resident, said the hog was also measured two different ways. Suspended from rear hoof to snout, he was 10 feet, 7 inches. From snout to tail, it was just more than 9 feet.
The only measurements that can currently be verified — because the hog is in post-processing mode — are sizes of the hog from the shoulder up, the method that the Stones are using to preserve their trophy. Cunningham will have to use those measurements to create a form for the mount, as prefab mounts do not come that big.
The circumference of the hog's head (across the ears) is 54 inches.
Around its shoulders, it's 74 inches.
And the length of its snout — from its eyes to the end of its nose — is 11 inches.
“I couldn't believe it,” Jamison said after he first saw it. “It was the size of a cow. It was huge.”
Perhaps as astounding as the size of the hog was how the story got out — or didn't. The old adage of news traveling fast in a small town wasn't quite the case.
Driving around the dusty backroads of the rural community of Delta, story of the monster pig wasn't widely known. Even in nearby Lineville, the picture that appeared on the front page of Tuesday's Anniston Star was the first many people had heard about it. But in cyberspace, the news has traveled a great deal faster. And let's just say people have gone hog wild.
In attempts to do something nice for his young son, Mike Stone created a Web site, www.monsterpig.com, to help show off his kill. He also created it to help cut down on the time of sending e-mail out to family and friends.
However, the simple concept of the Web site has grown into much, much more.
At the site is a simple recount of the animal, its size and what was used to harvest the hog. It also includes pictures, a way to contact Jamison and some of the e-mails he received — good and bad.
According to Stone, the host for the Web site (www.godaddy.com) said the number of requests — or hits — totaled 1,246,464 as of Monday.
Calls have come all the way from California, where Jamison appeared on a radio talk show. According to Mike Stone and the Web site, Jamison has gotten words of congratulation from Rickey Medlocke of Lynyrd Skynyrd, country music star Kenny Chesney, Tom Knapp of Benelli firearms and Jerry Miculek of Smith & Wesson.
The hunt
Just as it goes with skinning cats, there's more than one way to harvest a hog.
Some track them with dogs. Some wait them out in tree stands, and others — braver ones — stalk-hunt the creatures.
The Stones, manned with guides Keith O'Neal and Chris Williams, chose the latter when purchasing the hunt from Eddy Borden of Lost Creek Plantation.
It wasn't Stone's first time hog hunting at the preserve. Not long before his son's harvest, he had taken a feral swine himself. At the time, he said he was quite proud of it.
“It was about 600 pounds,” he said. “I thought it was massive at the time.”
After using the stalk-hunting method, the weapon of choice was a modified .50-caliber pistol that had been modified with a holographic scope and a ported barrel to cut down on some its recoil. It was also packing a 350-grain Horaday bullet.
They ventured out and found the hog, and that's when the ordeal started.
To kill the massive beast, 16 shots were fired — all by Jamison. Approximately nine landed. They tracked — and sometimes were forced to avoid — the hog for more than three hours.
Just how big again?
The elder Stone says all he really knew was it was a big pig. Just how big it was — with respect to records — he didn't know.
“It was a pretty uneventful thing until the day after,” Mike Stone said. “I hadn't seen a lot of pigs up close. I didn't know it was a monster pig. I just knew it was a big as a cow.”
It wasn't until the day after the hunt when Stone received an e-mail from a friend informing him that, some time ago, Hogzilla had been found to be only 800 pounds (in a National Geographic documentary on the hog). Chris Griffin, who killed the Hogzilla, had said it was in excess of 1,000 pounds.
“When all that happened, I looked over at my wife and said, 'This is a big deal,'” he said. “Hogzilla wasn't even as big as the one Jamison killed.”
State records on feral swine are not kept by the Alabama Department of Conservation.
According to biologists, pigs such as Hogzilla and this one are not the norm. Average free-roaming feral swine grow to modest sizes compared to this beast.
“You might get a boar that weighs 300 or so,” said Dr. Jim Armstrong, Extension Wildlife Specialist and Associate Professor for Auburn University's School of Forestry and Wildlife Sciences. “That's a big pig.”
-Tim
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FirstFreedom
Moderator
Regardless, 1051 lb pig or not, it was probably farm raised swine, then released before being shot; not one that grew up in the wild. No way to know for sure, but that is the most likely scenario - the pig had a lifetime of good eats in the pen, had huge size genes, and someone saw a lot of publicity in the making - all it required was a release & "hunt" to go with.....
The guide's website lists free range hogs and plantation hogs, so you're probably right. http://www.lostcreekplantation.com/pricelist.html
Well, the newspaper story does lend some creedance to the whole shebang.
Those pics though...enhh!
Welcome to the forum Smitty908!
Glad to hear your just a messenger in this.
And, thank you for coming back with a follow-up. Apparently that is one major big-pig! I tell ya, I'm certainly glad he didn't pay a visit to my yard.*shudder*
Those pics though...enhh!
Welcome to the forum Smitty908!
Glad to hear your just a messenger in this.
And, thank you for coming back with a follow-up. Apparently that is one major big-pig! I tell ya, I'm certainly glad he didn't pay a visit to my yard.*shudder*
There are so many reasons why I think this story is false.
1. Who have you ever known to take a whole box of ammo out with them on a hunt? If he hit it 16 times how many times did he actually shoot?
2. How do you follow a huge pig around and get to shoot at him 16 times? They are saying that chunky little kid had the stamina to chase that (probably not slow) pig around for a few hours?
3. How do you let you son just frolick around in the woods with a S&W 500?
As a whole this story just seems fake. Maybe I am wrong but I would have to see this thing in person to really believe it.
1. Who have you ever known to take a whole box of ammo out with them on a hunt? If he hit it 16 times how many times did he actually shoot?
2. How do you follow a huge pig around and get to shoot at him 16 times? They are saying that chunky little kid had the stamina to chase that (probably not slow) pig around for a few hours?
3. How do you let you son just frolick around in the woods with a S&W 500?
As a whole this story just seems fake. Maybe I am wrong but I would have to see this thing in person to really believe it.
That kid looks like he's above average size for his age. And I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a kid who has experience with firearms could shoot a .50 cal handgun sixteen times in three hours. That doesn't mean I necessarily believe the story, but it is harder to discredit it now.
Edward429451
Moderator
Is it me or is the site gone?
I wonder what load they shot him with and if any bullets were recovered?
I wonder what load they shot him with and if any bullets were recovered?