Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
Anybody who doesn't like some style of rifle probably shouldn't buy one.
Anybody who doesn't like some style of rifle probably shouldn't buy one.
the 94 and 336 action will not handle the larger cartridges.
In my Winchester 444, I can load the Keith 250 grainer to almost 2600 fps and almost 4000 lbs of muzzle energy. For very large game I load the 300 grain JSP to 2426 fps and over 3900 lbs of muzzle energy. I use Freedom Arms 300 grain jacket bullets, they are performers to the N’th degree. I have two precious boxes of them left. These are the Winchester loads now not Marlin...
The Russian infantry accepted these losses in their usual stoic manner, but by the time they were 600-700 yards from the Turks, they began to unravel and break up into clusters. Some groups lay down to avoid the hail of lead and were goaded to their feet by their officers who valiantly urged them onwards. The concussion of Turkish rifle fire was constant and was augmented by Turkish artillery firing shrapnel shells into the Russian line. As the Turk officers called out each new range change, the riflemen adjusted their sights and poured forth more bullets in the general direction of the Russian line. The Winchesters lay next to many of them, fully loaded with 14 rounds. A box of 500 rounds was placed next to each repeating rifle, and other ammunition reserves were close at hand.
Still they came forward, these obedient Russian sol*diers, until they reached a point 200 yards from the Turkish trench line, when the order was given for the Turkish artillery, to cease fire and the riflemen to pick up their Winchesters and commence rapid fire. As the Winchesters spewed forth their rapid fire fusillade of lead, Russians fell in greater numbers than before. Still they came forward, bayonets fixed, ready to impale their oppressors in the trenches. According to prior plans, the Turks stopped shoot*ing when the Russians were about 50 yards from the trench line, and they now abandoned their first line of trenches and ran back into their second trench line, where they commenced their rifle fire all over again. The Russian advance stalled and took cover in the Turkish first line of trenches.
Prince Schachowskoi received a message that Gen. Krudner was sending a regiment to reinforce him, but they lost their way and never arrived in time to help. At 4:00 p.m., he could hold himself back no longer and ordered his remaining troops to charge the second line of trenches. The long-range Peabody-Martinis started their deadly plunging fire again, and Russians fell in large numbers as they worked their way uphill. closer to the second line. Once more the Winchesters took up the close-range fight, sending their wall of hot lead, decimating the oncoming infantry line. In a few places, Russians managed to get into the second line trench*es and, surprisingly, two companies actually got into Plevna itself, but Osman threw strong reserves into these points and drove them back.
You can hate to tell me that all you want. News flash!!!!! there is no 45-70 or 444 in 336 action. 358 winchester is not the same OAL as 308 win nor is the 307. The 308 is longer than both of those rounds. Also the pressure difference in starting loads is at least 10,000 cup. 308 being higher than the other 2. Load manual is your friend. You should read one sometime. The marlins designed for .358win were beefed up and you cannot rebore a regular 336 to .358win since it wont handle the pressure. Every thread I run into a know it all, that is completely wrong. Really starting to get under my skin.....Every time.... You didn't even reference pressure. You referenced the projectile energy.Old Time Hunter said:Hate to tell you, but a .45-70 is considered a fairly large caliber, in a fairly large cartridge. Same goes for a .444 and if you are going teat for tat, a .307 Win in a model 94 is the exact same as a .308, only with a rim. Same goes for the BB 356 in a '94, same as a .358.....same pressure too.
Old Time Hunter said:I can load the Keith 250 grainer to almost 2600 fps and almost 4000 lbs of muzzle energy. For very large game I load the 300 grain JSP to 2426 fps and over 3900 lbs of muzzle energy. I use Freedom Arms 300 grain jacket bullets, they are performers to the N’th degree. I have two precious boxes of them left. These are the Winchester loads now not Marlin...
You can hate to tell me that all you want.
News flash!!!!! there is no 45-70 or 444 in 336 action
358 winchester is not the same OAL as 308 win nor is the 307. The 308 is longer than both of those rounds.
Also the pressure difference in starting loads is at least 10,000 cup. 308 being higher than the other 2.
The marlins designed for .358win were beefed up and you cannot rebore a regular 336 to .358win since it wont handle the pressure.
Every thread I run into a know it all, that is completely wrong.
Sorry son but Old Time Hunter is right on all counts.You can hate to tell me that all you want.