The public knowing who owns guns

I agree with what your saying cen. It wouldn't stop my wife and I from buying guns either.
The concern we would have should it be public knowledge is theft. We have worked very hard to have the things we do. Especially guns. Thievery and breakins are scary and can destroy a families sense of security. Not to mention are the damages can cost a lot financially.
So, bottom line, I would still purchase guns, but I wouldn't enjoy making it public knowledge to the world.
I would do anything I had to to protect our family, home and everything in it.

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I think that HEPA laws concerning privacy will start to be applied to gun ownership.
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I think you mean "HIPPA" : Health Insurance Privacy and Portability Act of 1996 ..... written to keep your medical information private, so entities such as insurance companies and future employers could not use stuff in your medical records against you ......

..... so now out Esteemed President is issueing executive order to find ways to relax some of those controls ....... so that stuff in your medical records ...

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Oh, surely they did not mean the .gov when they wrote that your medical records are PRIVATE! The rules only apply to individuals, and corporations .... not the Government, of course.

Also, buried in the ObamaCare law are requirements for your doctor to make your medical records available in a Federal Database, with fines and other penalties for non-compliance .......

I live in a small town ..... I'm sure many people here know I have guns..... that does not bother me nearly as much as some faceless bureaucrat somewhere perusing my medical records, my bank records, or my internet use.
 
cen said:
Of course it's none of their business, But if any of your neighbors asked if you had guns would you tell them " it's none of your business" or would you tell them that you do? Is it totally a privacy issue, are you ashamed of them knowing, or are you just worried about robbery? Do you think guns are a major target of thieves?
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I certainly hope none of my neighbors would be nosy enough to ask if I have guns in the house. However, if any of them were to be brash enough to ask, I would lie like a rug and tell them no. I am certainly not ashamed of having guns, just as I am not ashamed of the fact that I'm a Vietnam veteran. But it IS none of anybody's business what I choose to have in my house.

And, yes, I am worried about robbery. My house was burgled in 1997. I didn't lose any guns -- they weren't inside long enough to find them, thank God, but I did lose two very good Canon SLR cameras, a couple of computers, some jewelry, and some family heirlooms that can never be replaced.

Do I think guns are a target of thieves? Do you read the news? Are you unaware that within a week of that newspaper in NY publishing the interactive map of who had guns, two houses on the list were burgled and the guns stolen? Around here, that's what we call a "clue."
 
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Cancer patients and narcotics? Lmao. Unnecessary post
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To the contrary, it's a totally valid comparison and a very necessary post. Thieves often target houses in which they know the occupants are on painkillers, to steal the medicines. There was a case down south several months back (in fact, I think it was right at News Years a year ago) of a young woman whose older husband had just died of cancer, leaving her alone with a new baby. A pair of low-lifes tried to break in and she shot one of them after he smashed through the barricaded front door. The police speculated that they were mostly looking for the drugs they figured would be left after the patient died, but there's also the issue of what they might have planned to do to the young woman.

The point of the comparison is that certain things, such as narcotics and firearms, have high street value. It is counter to good public policy to be providing thieves with a prioritized list of where to go "shopping" for these commodities.
 
Aguila, God bless you for being a Vietnam veteran. Please stop the narcotic rant. This isn't the dosing line, it's the firing line. I'm sorry for your losses in the robbery. Who said anything about you telling someone about your business that you don't want them knowing? You don't want someone to know... don't tell me.

Why should we give anything at all? I'm sure you've noticed but you and I don't make the rules we have to abide by. We can do all we can to try to get things to go our way, by calling our congressmen, giving to the NRA or other organizations, by trying to elect the right people. In the end though, sometimes it just doesn't work out and we're all forced to follow rules made by people that have no business making them. Accept that fact, it's unfortunate... But true.

You as a Vietnam veteran HAVE been giving for years and have gotten little if anything for your sacrifice. We can hope that they give back, but I don't expect them to.
 
I certainly hope none of my neighbors would be nosy enough to ask if I have guns in the house.
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You would not have to very nosy, or even very bright, to deduce from the number of cervids with bullet holes in them, hanging in the spruce tree out front every November, that there are at least several guns hereabouts .....
 
Aguila, God bless you for being a Vietnam veteran. Please stop the narcotic rant. This isn't the dosing line, it's the firing line.
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Could you quote the "narcotic rant" for me, cen, 'cause I missed it, somehow.

He made a valid point, in that the comparison of cancer patients to gun owners being publicly identified making them a target for thieves, because they have something that thieves value.
 
Jim, Rainbow Demon started the narcotic talk, and while I totally agree and in fact believe that in my parts narcotics are much, much, more in demand than gun, they had nothing to do with my opening statement in this thread. But the comparison is fair, but exponentially unlikely that persons on narcotics would be identified in comparison to that possibility to persons who own firearms.
 
Like Aguila Blanca, I am a Vietnam veteran, and have suffered a similar loss by theft. My last assignment put me in an Military Intelligence unit in a Virginia strip mall. Before I moved into a "permanent" residence, my car was broken in to and my camera, lenses, accessories, and several rolls of undeveloped 35mm film were stolen - total economic value in 1971 was about $2,000. Several years later my bass boat, motor, trailer and all accessories were stolen from behind a chain link fence - loss was about $7,000. Several years later 7 of my hang-on tree stands and all of the steps were stolen from a farm of a close friend - loss was roughly $700 to $800. Of course none of these stolen items had been identified in a public record - or should I say catalog - of valuable personal property attractive to thieves. I don't intend to sit at home with a 12 ga. and several handguns to protect my wife, my life and my personal possessions 24/7, nor should I have to because some believe I have no right privacy.
 
I've heard many comments that some of the new proposed legislation will lead to others knowing who owns guns. Do you really care that people know that you own guns of any type? While some view it as an invasion of privacy, I could personally care less who knows I own guns, including handgun and assault weapons. I'd put a red sticker on my front window if they mandated it for gun owners. I just really don't see that as a major problem. I'd like to hear from those who do and why they care.
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this is a terrible idea. Not just from a political argument but majorly from a criminal argument... might as well post a sign including how many computers, ipads, gold watches, whatever you got. There is all levels of thieves, from professional thieves to petty thieves

Since we know that more guns = less crime, knowing who has the guns will render that fact useless. The professional thieves will know whose house to clean out and the more common crook will know to rob the un-armed houses, and crime will go up and the anti's will have more of an argument to get rid of guns for all.

The whole idea of the public knowing who has guns or CCW permits is just wrong, an invasion of privacy and a threat to our rights.
 
They should stop all this nickel and dime ante play and just go straight to a yellow star on your clothing and a tattoo on the forearm.
 
Having cared for three family members who had cancer, two survived the cancer one dying of extreme old age some years later, it came to mind.
Another family member succumbed only hours after being placed on a morphine IV. Cancer has hit our family hard.
Had any junkies learned of the amount of morphine and other narcotics in my home or that of my relatives in those days I have no doubt we'd have been targeted by home invaders or burglars.
The point I was attempting to make was that by advertising the addresses of people who would be expected to have narcotics in their possession legally it would do nothing to halt those who keep narcotics on hand illegally, and in fact would make it easier for those who would happily break into a home to obtain what they want.

Its no ones business what I own legally.

These days they even warn people who receive expensive electronics, like big TV or computers, as Christmas presents to not leave the empty boxes in plain sight when setting out the trash.
Crooks cruise neighborhoods looking for any clue as to what may be in those homes they consider vulnerable.
They certainly don't need a helping hand from a data base of gun owners.

While they are less likely to try a home invasion if they think the homeowner is armed, skilled burglars don't normally rob a home while the owner is present.
 
Rainbow, I completely agree and as I said narcotics are in much more demand than guns. I prescribe them to patients and own an opiate treatment center. Privacy is something I hope they never infringe upon.
 
cen wrote:
I would just give a little to keep what we have.
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Your willing to give away certain rights in order to keep something that is constitutionally guaranteed?

Your priorities are askew.

That is the same as giving a bully your trousers so that you can keep your lunch money.
 
Having a list of who owns what guns is a great way for criminals looking to steal guns to only target homes with valuable guns. That way a thief doesn't have to risk his life going after Lorcins and Hi-Points.
 
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