The new Marlin 30/30 isn't on my buy list!

the gauge has 6 groves cut .298" .299" .300" etc

Frankenmauser I have a Scott A. Duff bore gauge that is tapered from .298-.303, the gauge will measure the diameter from land to land, a perfectly cut bore will measure .300" with the opposing lands measuring .004" combining the two land and bore measurement they total .308' which would be a perfectly cut 30 caliber bore. Usually gauges like mine are/were used to check bore wear for 30 caliber military rifles when then were sent to their armorers for rebuild or maintenance. The gauge usually works well with most 30 caliber barrels with exceptions like the Marlin micro grove barrel and yes it did measure .3022. The gauge is not difficult to read and I've used it enough to determine within .0001" plus or minus which is good enough for me. I am a graduate of Trinidad state gunsmith program 2001, no I've never worked as a gunsmith, heart disease and the stock market tanking while I was enrolled in school prevented me from opening my shop plus a large student loan that had to be repaid.. I still have all my tools and I work on my own guns but never put in the shop I wanted.. FWIW google Scott A. Duff publications, his Address is P.O. Box 414 Export, Pa 15632, I have no idea if he still sells these gauges or not but mine was purchased at least 15 years ago!! William
 
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The barrel no doubt will need to be recrowned

I purchased a new Winchester model 70 classic featherweight 30/06 this past weekend from Cabelas in Rogers, Arkansas, my bore gauge would NOT enter the barrel. What ever tooling that was used to crown the barrel flared the metal inward that narrowed the barrel opening more than .002", if the rifle will not group I intend to visit Trinidad State this next summer anyway and I'm betting one of my instructors ( Keith Gibson or David Nolan) will be able to steer me in the right direction. This particular rifle's barrel is stamped BACO (Browning Arms Company Morgan Utah) it's supposed to have been made here but after looking at the rifle I do have my doubts but I still wanted the rifle so I purchased it anyway!! I have three of the Winchester Classics 22/250, .280Rem and the latest a 30/06 Springfield.. This is probably the last rifle I will purchase, I'm 73 and I have no illusion about shooting forever but while I can I do enjoy the rifles I have.. William
 
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Thanks for the clarification on the gauge, WTW.


Unlicensed Dremel said:
Marlin is back.

They have solved all of their previous issues, and they are now better than ever. The fit, finish and materials of the ones I've seen [rival] any Marlin I've seen in the past 40 years.
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Ha. Don't suppose you have any evidence for that claim. Sure hope it's true.
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How does one go about providing evidence for an opinion?


"Do you believe in God? Prove it." :confused: :rolleyes:
 
Opinions should be based on fact and past experiences, frankly I never gave much thought to how opinions were formed by individuals we just do! I suppose the other side of the coin our opinions may keep us from making bad choices too! William
 
reynolds357

Obviously you have no clue how to use the bore gauge, nothing is force nor is the bore damaged, yes the clerk is watching your every move! Military depots have used similar gauges for more than 50 years to determine the condition of a barrel as a first step in determining the barrels condition.. William
 
You obviously have no clue what I know. I know exactly how to use them.;) Used them a bunch of time on Mil surplus. Any idiot can use them. Problem is some idiots can mess up everything their hands touch. That is why I am surprised a reputable gun store lets people use them on new rifles. Used rifles are a different beast, but new? I have seen $1k bench rest barrels ruined with a coated rod. Anything can happen.
 
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How does one go about providing evidence for an opinion?
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How about evidence of ONE specimen of a new one that's as good as an old one? That'd be a start. Model12Win offered absolutely nothing in support of an opinion which is contrary to everything I've seen up through about 4 or 5 months back, and contrary to most writings on the subject. Surprising claims require surprising evidence. Model12Win offered exactly none.

Show me one in the past 3 years with perfectly-straight sights, AND cut checkering, AND wood fitted to the metal, AND functions correctly and smoothly out of the box - ya know, just like 99.7% of all the pre-Remlim ones.
 
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I never knew a Marlin 336, or any 30-30 for that matter was a precision target rifle where a tiny bore varience was a concern.
Bet the millions of deer, and bear killed with them didn't know that either.:D
 
Cheap Shooter, I agree fully. The absolute best barrels on most hunting rifles would not be suitable for bench rest competition. Different games, different tools.
 
Show me one in the past 3 years with perfectly-straight sights, AND cut checkering, AND wood fitted to the metal, AND functions correctly and smoothly out of the box - ya know, just like 99.7% of all the pre-Remlim ones.
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No Marlin has been smooth "out of the box" in 50+ years. They're always rough, stiff, and in need of break-in.

Checkering is still cut (not pressed) on most models.

And... some of the worst Marlins to ever leave the factory were shipped to distributors before Remington was ever in the picture.
Marlin made bad Marlins.
Remington also made bad Marlins.
Crap is crap. ...And Remington does appear to be addressing that.

Go peruse your local Marlin selection, and take a look for yourself.
 
The wort Marlins were made after the Marlin employees found out they would be without a job in less than a year. Marlin also had no incentive to maintain its tooling, management knew they were being sold. Money re-invested in maintenance was wasted money at that point in time.
 
The new ones are Not on my buy list, and I frakkin LOVE Marlins.

But its the older ones...the pre-2005 ones that really get someone going :)
 
opinion

No one voices an "opinion" that they believe to be untrue or inaccurate. "Opinion" is a word used by others when they don't like your facts.
 
Not so sure that my comments were an opinion so much as a feeling these guns were the left over pieces that were going out their door, I didn't like what I saw so it was an easy decision not to buy. Non the less I do hope Remington gets this division of the Remington family on the right track to producing a quality lever gun to fill a niche that usually is the first rifle many hunters use on their first deer hunt.. William
 
In the case of Remington, all of their rifle barrels have been hammer-forged for some years now. So, cutting tools are N/A as regards them.

Can't speak about Marlin, though.
 
Back in the 80's I went through 3 brand new 444's before I found one that didn't have a split in the stock where the vertical stock attachment screw goes through. This all started after I took the original and prettiest one back after inspecting it. I did end up with a very good shooting one, but quality issues on mass produced items are nothing new. I was lucky the head gunsmith is a good friend of mine. As far as a Henry is concerned, if you want a cast receiver and a 22lr type loading system then go for it. I have also heard that recent Marlins are pretty nice, I would think they are on their way back. Blame the legal system for their so so trigger pull, not the firearm manufactures.
 
People have given up complaining about Ruger's cast receivers.
Someday they'll get over Henry's cast receivers, too. :)
Denis
 
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