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I realize the INS is at the front of the immigration front. Yet, there are groups, including La Raza, that are attempting to change various immigration laws and the way such laws are enforced. I do think having a pro-illegal AT will aid their cause, whether it is through measures taken within the scope of his job description or behidn the scenes. Quite possibly it is why Bush appointed him to the position. I am blaming Bush for the administration's view of the border. I am simply antiscipating more of the same from Gonzales.
La Raza does address other issues than illegal immigration. They are actually very organized and effective. But they are not only supportive of illegal immigration, but are very active in their support...to the point of attempting to push through measures that I consider unacceptable. Therefore all the other good work they may or may not do is irrevelant. It may be true that Gonzales may not agree with all of La Raza's intentions. We can only wait and see.
I consider myself a rational person. Everything about the Bush Administration's management of the border seems totally irrational. Gonzales is just one part of that.
 
Shaggy

Are you being intentionally dense?

Apparently you have little understanding of the job of the AG. He doesn't make the laws, he only enforces them.

My complaint is that he would NOT enforce the law, and the AG has wide discretion over what he chooses to litigate against and what not. In a similar fashion to any DA. Don't lecture me on the legal system, I've studied it for a long time.

If your problem is with "unconstitutional laws" then the AG is the wrong man to be complaining about. Congress passed those "unconstitutional laws", and the president signed them (unless passed by a veto override). And those "unconstitutional laws" you complain about are constitutional and valid until the SCOTUS decised otherwise. Whether the AG likes them or not, he is charged with their enforcement until such time as they are not law. Thus their personal opinion of the law is irrelevant... except to dolts that think the AG has some sort of sway with the Supreme Court.

Shaggy, why do you keep twisting my points and why do you keep putting words in my mouth?

When I refer to "unconstitutional laws", I am referring to Roe V. Wade. The Constitution is fairly clear as to what is Constitutional and what is not, I don't need a bunch of JD's to read it for me, but at the very least we could use Justices like Scalia and Thomas that read it and do not overwrite it.

The AG doesn't have sway with the Supreme Court? Do you even know what you're talking about? This man heads the entire Justice Department! He is the Federal Government's Chief Prosecutor!


Gee whiz. And I thought Gonzalez hadn't even been confirmed yet. So who has not been enforcing the existing immigration laws so far? Ashcroft, maybe? And maybe thats because you simply don't agree with Bush's position on immigration, but its still the law and as far as I can tell Ashcroft enforced it and Gonzalez will continue to also. Now I ask you, as I did with BI to cite me some evidence how, or why he will NOT enforce the present law, and additionally how he will contribute to the dissolution of such.

Ashcroft has been enforcing the laws but he's not getting much cooperation especially from states like New Mexico governed by Bill Richardson. There was no way he could've done it with the media watching his every move. And Bush is highly responisble for turning this into an international issue, where Mexico can get special treatment over the laws of the Unites States. You asked me to cite evidence concerning his "influence", and his past job as Counsel as well as his current nomination as well as the President's ultra-radical stance on immigration should be adequate unless you insist on covering your eyes and ears further.

Let me add this, however: I am not a staunch proponent of Gonzalez, but his remarks about the AWB must be taken with a grain considering the politics of the confirmation process. And WRT immigration policy, if thats your main problem, bitch about Bush, not Gonzalez. Bush set the policy.

And we are opposing that policy by opposing Gonzales. The AWB is not something you suck up to Democrats with: he's sold out millions of gun owners as well as the 2nd Amendment, which is not the kind of Attorney General we want.
 
How do we know that Gonzalez was a member of La Raza?

Seems awfully...coincidental, or something, that practically everyone of Mexican heritage has been a member of this group. (allegedly)
 
You complain that Gonzalez is a self-serving and corrupt individual and has influenced Bush on the immigration policy. Please cite me some specific evidence to that effect.

Why are you so keen to defend this worm? There's a bucketload of evidence, but here's a little drop. Why do you think he was nominated in the first place, genius?

How about the fact that despite being "Republican", his tenure on the Texas Supreme Court is anything but "Republican", and he went so far as to criticize The Honorable Priscilla Owens for engaging in "judicial activism".

How about the fact that this esteemed legal scholar supports the Assault Weapons Ban, a clearly unconstitutional agenda enacted into law by CriminalTon? The ban clearly serves no purpose other than to placate radical anti-gun organizations.

December 1, 2004

Posted 1:10 AM Eastern


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The National Council of La Raza, meaning "the race" (NCLR) and the National Association of Hispanic Publications (NAHP) have announced their endorsement for White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales to succeed current Attorney General John Ashcroft who announced his departure earlier this month. This nomination may run into some stumbling blocks. Alberto Gonzales served on the Board of Directors of one of La Raza's affiliates, the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans (AAMA) in Houston.

Jesus Lopez, who immigrated legally to the United States, resents the agenda being pushed by groups like La Raza. He's also upset that a possible Attorney General like Gonzales would associate with what Lopez calls "racist organizations who want to take back the borders states through invasion, promote open borders, voting for illegal aliens, driver's licenses for illegal aliens and an official proclamation of sorts for their own culture." Lopez said he and his family had to wait their turn to legally enter the United States and they are proud to be Americans first and says organizations like La Raza don't want to promote harmony but are militant.

Last month, Michele Waslin, a policy analyst for the National Council of La Raza stated that giving licenses to undocumented immigrants doesn't weaken national security. "Giving people licenses means making our roads safer. . . We don't think issuing driver's licenses should be based on immigration status. People at (the Department of Motor Vehicles) are not immigration agents," said Waslin.

Opponents of Gonzales' find his affiliation with these groups troubling and encourage people to read the web sites of organizations like La Raza (search) and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) (search). They charge that these organizations are demanding national holidays based on Mexican cultural figures, public school instruction and all state and federal government services in Spanish as well as Spanish being recognized as at least "co-equal" with English - except in predominately Hispanic areas where they want Spanish to be the official language as well as "taking back the border states."

Mario Obledo, co-founder of (MALDEF), considered one of the premier Hispanic activist organizations, stated in June 1998, "California is going to become a Hispanic state and anyone who doesn't like it should go back to Europe. Eventually we will take over all the political institutions of California."


MALDEF enjoys contributions from very prestigious foundations, companies and universities, i.e. The Ford Foundation, Fannie Mae Foundation, San Antonio Spurs, The Rockefeller Foundation, State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Company, Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc., Department of Water and Power, City of Los Angeles, Chicago Tribune Foundation, Chrysler Fund, Citibank, Walgreen's, Washington Mutual, Wells Fargo Bank, St. Mary's University, California State University Foundation.

While MALDEF hasn't come out and endorsed Gonzales, their press release said, "..we are encouraged by this development,' Immigration reform organizations are concerned that Gonzales' close relationship with organizations like La Raza will impact his ability to serve as Attorney General, the top law enforcement officer in the country.

Gonzales' position on affirmative action is also a bone of contention with conservatives: Gonzales fully supports allowing universities to consider an applicant's race in order to promote diversity on college campuses.

Pro-life organizations are already up in arms about President Bush's nomination of Gonzales. "As a Texas Supreme Court justice, Gonzales' rulings implied he does not view abortion as a heinous crime," said Judie Brown, president of the American Life League, in a written statement. Ms. Brown went on to say in her statement, "...choosing not to rule against abortion, in any situation, is the epitome of denying justice for an entire segment of the American population -- pre-born babies in the womb."

During his tenure on the Court, Gonzales ruled with the other justices that some teenage girls should be able to get an abortion without parental permission. His ruling in part said, "While the ramifications of such a law may be personally troubling to me as a parent, it is my obligation as a judge to impartially apply the laws of this state without imposing my moral view on the decisions of the legislature."

Orrin Hatch, [R-UT], who is the outgoing Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman called Gonzales a "great personal friend" and an "excellent choice" for attorney general.

In the recent presidential debates Bush said, "What he's asking me is, will I have a litmus test for my judges? And the answer is no, I will not have a litmus test. I will pick judges who will interpret the Constitution, but I'll have no litmus test." In an LA Times interview in 2001, Gonzales, when was asked if his personal view of abortion would have any affect on his selection process for judges, he replied, "There are no litmus tests for judicial candidates. ... "

President Bush has praised Gonzales as "a close friend," and said during the announcement ceremony, ""His sharp intellect and sound judgment have helped shape our policies in the war on terror."

Washington insiders and political pundits agree that the confirmation hearings could get quite contentious.

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AG nominee
member of La Raza
Gonzales in group that backs lax immigration laws

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Posted: November 24, 2004
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© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales, President Bush's nominee for attorney general, got the backing of a group that promotes driver's licenses for illegal aliens, no immigration law enforcement by local and state police and amnesty programs broader than the administration's proposal.

The National Council of La Raza, which bills itself as the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the U.S., welcomed the nomination of Gonzales to succeed John Ashcroft.

"We are very encouraged by the Gonzales nomination," said the glowing endorsement by La Raza. "We previously criticized the Bush administration for not having an Hispanic in the cabinet since the departure of former HUD Secretary, now Senator-elect, Mel Martinez. We are pleased that one of the first acts since the president’s re-election both rectifies that situation and marks an historic milestone for the Latino community. Never before has a Hispanic served as head of one of the four major Cabinet posts – secretary of State, Treasury, Defense and attorney general," said Janet Murguia, NCLR executive director and chief operating officer.


But it wasn't just the historical breakthrough that thrilled La Raza. It was also the fact that he is one of their own.

"Alberto Gonzales served with distinction on the board of directors of one of NCLR’s oldest and most respected affiliates, the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans in Houston, Texas," she said. "Moreover, during his tenure as White House counsel, he has been one of the most accessible members of the White House staff to NCLR and other Hispanic organizations."

Murguia concluded, "We acknowledge that this is the first step of a long confirmation process that requires that his record be fully examined. That being said, Gonzales is a thoughtful, reasonable public servant, a man of his word, and we have every expectation that his nomination will be very well received in the Latino community."

La Raza supports legislation such as the Civil Liberties Restoration Act, which would roll back policies adopted after Sept. 11 designed to protect national security. It supports the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens – thus providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states.

The group opposes the "Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act of 2003" and the "Homeland Security Enhancement Act" would give state and local police officers the authority to enforce federal immigration laws.

"While the safety and security of our communities and our country are of the utmost importance, new policies that would allow local police departments to enforce federal civil immigration law will hinder terrorist and other criminal investigations, and have a serious negative impact on Latino communities," La Raza explains.

The group also supports legislation to ensure illegal immigrants' ability to obtain driver's licenses.

Earlier story:

Pro-lifers not thrilled with Gonzales choice

More on Gonzalez

Given his record, it's more than obvious.
 
Whitehouse.com

The Honorable Alberto R. Gonzales
Counsel to the President

Judge Al Gonzales was commissioned as Counsel to President George W. Bush in January of 2001. Prior to serving in the White House, he served as a Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas. Before his appointment to the Texas Supreme Court in 1999, he served as Texas' 100th Secretary of State from December 2, 1997 to January 10, 1999. Among his many duties as Secretary of State, Gonzales was a senior advisor to then Governor Bush, chief elections officer, and the Governor's lead liaison on Mexico and border issues.

Prior to his appointment as Secretary of State, Gonzales was the General Counsel to Governor Bush for three years. Before joining the Governor's staff, he was a partner with the law firm of Vinson & Elkins L.L.P. in Houston, Texas. He joined the firm in June 1982. While in private practice, Gonzales also taught law as an adjunct professor at the University of Houston Law Center.

Among his many professional and civic activities, Gonzales was elected to the American Law Institute in 1999. He was a board trustee of the Texas Bar Foundation from 1996 to 1999, a board director for the State Bar of Texas from 1991 to 1994, and President of the Houston Hispanic Bar Association from 1990 to 1991. He was a board director of the United Way of the Texas Gulf Coast from 1993 to 1994, and President of Leadership Houston during this same period. In 1994, Gonzales served as Chair of the Commission for District Decentralization of the Houston Independent School District, and as a member of the Committee on Undergraduate Admissions for Rice University. Gonzales was Special Legal Counsel to the Houston Host Committee for the 1990 Summit of Industrialized Nations, and a member of delegations sent by the American Council of Young Political Leaders to Mexico in 1996 and to the People's Republic of China in 1995.

Among his many honors, in 2003 Gonzales was inducted into the Hispanic Scholarship Fund Alumni Hall of Fame, was honored with the Good Neighbor Award from the United States-Mexico Chamber of Commerce, and received President's Awards from the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and the League of United Latin American Citizens. In 2002, he was recognized as a Distinguished Alumnus of Rice University by the Association of Rice Alumni and was honored by the Harvard Law School Association with the Harvard Law School Association Award. Gonzales was recognized as the 1999 Latino Lawyer of the Year by the Hispanic National Bar Association, and he received a Presidential Citation from the State Bar of Texas in 1997 for his dedication to addressing basic legal needs of the indigent. He was chosen as one of the Five Outstanding Young Texans by the Texas Jaycees in 1994, and as the Outstanding Young Lawyer of Texas by the Texas Young Lawyers Association in 1992. Gonzales was honored by the United Way in 1993 with a Commitment to Leadership Award, and received the Hispanic Salute Award in 1989 from the Houston Metro Ford Dealers for his work in the field of education.

Gonzales was born in San Antonio, Texas and raised in Houston. He is a graduate of Texas public schools, Rice University, and Harvard Law School. Gonzales served in the United States Air Force between 1973 and 1975, and attended the United States Air Force Academy between 1975 and 1977. He is married to Rebecca and is the father of three sons.
 
Lt. Gov Cruz Bustamante (don't know if he still is, but he was under Gray Davis) and his cronies in MechA that practically control California's government are also a serious problem. Check him out.

Leftist "La Raza" better watch itself very carefully or it will find itself on a list of either terrorist or criminal groups, and we should definitely be pushing the state, as gun owners, to curb and crack down on Hispanic/Asian/E.European immigration as well as the illegals who currently live here along with the criminal networks that are shielded by Industrial Labor and the Democratic party.

I don't fancy a radical organization like La Raza endorsing anybody; that should be a warning right there.

It's time for the President to understand that immigration issues will be taken very seriously, by us, in his second term, and Congressional Republicans (who have been doing a fine job and most of the dirty work) need to stand with us on this as we stand with them. However, Cuban refugees should be accomdated as they are fleeing a corrupt and repressive regime in Castro's Cuba, and we should definitely support the Cubans who have valid reasons to immigrate.

Hispanic radicalism will not be sanctioned no matter how polite or genial it is on the outside.
 
So where has Gonzales been? He is a former board member to La Raza, for one thing.

Not by what I read. From an article posted on this very thread:

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The National Council of La Raza, meaning "the race" (NCLR) and the National Association of Hispanic Publications (NAHP) have announced their endorsement for White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales to succeed current Attorney General John Ashcroft who announced his departure earlier this month. This nomination may run into some stumbling blocks. Alberto Gonzales served on the Board of Directors of one of La Raza's affiliates, the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans (AAMA) in Houston.


Handbook of Texas online: Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans

AAMA Website
The Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans (AAMA) is committed to advancing the lives of at-risk and disadvantaged youth and families through an array of innovative programs of excellence in the areas of Education, Health and Human Services and Community Development.

I suppose I have to wonder why there's no demonization, in any of the posted articles, of AAMA - the actual organization on whose board Gonzalez served.

Additionally, I wonder on what basis La Raza determines its endorsements. There are plenty of organizations who endorse candidates that are women, and plenty of organizations who endorse candidates because of a position on a specific issue. So I wonder if La Raza's endorsement is merely because of Gonzalez' heritage, and more of a red herring than anything else.
 
dictionary.com

af·fil·i·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-fl-t)
v. af·fil·i·at·ed, af·fil·i·at·ing, af·fil·i·ates
v. tr.
To adopt or accept as a member, subordinate associate, or branch: The HMO affiliated the clinics last year.
To associate (oneself) as a subordinate, subsidiary, employee, or member: affiliated herself with a new law firm.
To assign the origin of.
 
Being a board member of an organization that affiliates itself with La Raza is a tad different than being a board member of La Raza.
 
National Council of La Raza

NCLR Affiliate Network

Since NCLR was founded in 1968, the body of NCLR’s Affiliate Network has grown to more than 300 community-based organizations. Their services are diverse and include charter schools, after-school programs, job readiness and training, English language preparation, homeownership counseling, health centers, and community activities centers, to name a few. In total, these organizations provide services to approximately 4 million Hispanic Americans.

These organizations deal on a day-to-day basis with all aspects of serving the Latino population. They are familiar with the practical concerns and the policy issues affecting their constituencies and are actively engaged in developing and implementing innovative solutions to the problems they face.

NCLR’s active and productive relationships with its community-based affiliate organizations are at the heart of NCLR’s work and key to its ability to fulfill its mission. In providing capacity-building assistance, policy analysis, advocacy, and special initiatives that complement the work of our affiliates, NCLR is able to work “on the front lines” to improve life opportunities for Hispanic Americans throughout the country.


Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans
Washington, DC
South East Civil Rights and Justice, Community and Family Wealth-Building, Education, Employment and Economic Opportunities, Health and Family Support Advocacy / Public Policy, Community Development, Education, Health, Workforce Development

Founded in 1970, the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans (AAMA) is committed to the advancement of at-risk and disadvantaged youth and families through innovative programs that provide alternative education, social services, and community development. Key programs include the George I. Sanchez High School, the first Hispanic-accredited alternative high school in the state of Texas; an Alcohol and Drug Abuse Program; an AIDS Awareness Program; and Barrios Unidos, a gang intervention program. Other programs focus on elementary school youth, adult literacy, abused and homeless children, and economic and community development.

By the way, WyldOne, La Raza means "The Race".
 
I don't know what you're trying to prove, so I'll reiterate my point:

Being a board member of an organization that affiliates itself with La Raza is a tad different than being a board member of La Raza.
 
Mexicans try to take over

Columbus Day draws protest
By Greg Romero
Contributing Reporter


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Members of MEChA, Yale's Mexican-American student organization, gathered in yesterday's early-morning chill to chalk anti-Columbus Day slogans on Cross Campus and Old Campus walkways.

Group members met at Old Campus's High Street gate at 1:30 a.m. to protest the celebration of Columbus Day. After a brief meeting, students dispersed to scrawl such messages as "Celebrate the survivors," "Rethink Columbus Day," and "Whose holiday is it?" across campus.

Emotions ran high as members of Movimiento Estudantil Chicano de Aztlan lined stone pathways all over campus with their messages.

"If we had come to your home, stolen your land, made you speak our language, and raped and murdered your family, would you celebrate our coming?" Danielle Garcia '96 said.

Other MEChA members said their primary aim was to refute the perception of Christopher Columbus as a hero. "Why are we celebrating the deaths of 20 million? Why celebrate Columbus? It's not right that this country celebrates the legacy of a murderer," Anna Maria Garza '97 said as she worked on a chalking.

"Columbus did not discover this country. How could he have found a land that had been inhabited for centuries? It makes no sense," Garza added.

Several students walking on Cross Campus yesterday morning questioned the relevance of the slogans.

"It's difficult for me to see the connection between the present social problems of our country and the fact that a holiday is named after an explorer who is now perceived as evil," Tom Piernikowski '99 said. "He may or may not have been, but what is taking away Columbus Day going to do for the country?"

Others who saw the campus chalkings responded more

positively to the messages they represented.

"I think it is important that people see that there are two sides to this issue. I think it will create a dialogue that will hopefully be meaningful," Randolph Cardona '99 said as he walked across Old Campus.

Members of the group said their main goal was to spark discussion of the holiday. "We're expecting a lot of reaction and a lot of shock. People who think this is just empty social protest are wrong," Alegria De La Cruz '97 said. "We've done a lot to promote awareness of our group and our issues. The important thing is that we get a dialogue going and we educate people."

Other members of the group proposed an alternative to Columbus Day, advocating a celebration of racial unity -- Dia de la Raza Cosmica (Day of the Cosmic Race).

"Dia de la Raza Cosmica is a celebration of the coming together of the two races, to form one, the cosmic race," said one MEChA member who did not wish to be identified. "It emphasizes that there is a real mix of peoples and cultures, not just European dominance."

Wyldone,

In what way are you questioning Gonzales' affiliation with La Raza? 'Tad different' doesn't cut it, and I could be wrong about Gonzalez Board membership, so your point (based on the link I posted) is clearly meaningless.
 
Mexicans try to take over

:eek: Italians, Irishfolk, now the Mexicans! :eek: Why won't those foreigners just leave us Native Americans alone??

BTW, did the article you posted have anything to do with Mexicans "try[ing] to take over"? Because I didn't see a correlation.

Wyldone,

In what way are you questioning Gonzales' affiliation with La Raza? 'Tad different' doesn't cut it, and I could be wrong about Gonzalez Board membership, so your point (based on the link I posted) is clearly meaningless.

I'm questioning the assertion that Gonzales was a board member of La Raza.
 
This is what you were "questioning" Wyldone.

How do we know that Gonzalez was a member of La Raza?

Seems awfully...coincidental, or something, that practically everyone of Mexican heritage has been a member of this group. (allegedly)

So much for consistency.

Typical of an elitist NOW (National Organization of Some Women) flunkie. Drop the "enlightened college student" attitude please. It speaks more for your immaturity than anything else.

So here I will repeat myself to make it completely and utterly obvious even to the most obtuse of individuals.

"Alberto Gonzales served with distinction on the board of directors of one of NCLR’s oldest and most respected affiliates, the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans in Houston, Texas," she said. "Moreover, during his tenure as White House counsel, he has been one of the most accessible members of the White House staff to NCLR and other Hispanic organizations."

af·fil·i·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-fl-t)
v. af·fil·i·at·ed, af·fil·i·at·ing, af·fil·i·ates
v. tr.
1. To adopt or accept as a member, subordinate associate, or branch: The HMO affiliated the clinics last year.
2. To associate (oneself) as a subordinate, subsidiary, employee, or member: affiliated herself with a new law firm.
3. To assign the origin of.

BTW, did the article you posted have anything to do with Mexicans "try[ing] to take over"? Because I didn't see a correlation.

What do you call Mexicans running around a university, chalking jibberish, and defacing property as a form of intimidation?

And BTW, most Americans prefer living in America and not Little Italy, Little Mexico, Irishtown, Royal India, Chinatown, etc. I have no problem seeing these people finally owe up to their violation of immigration laws, and I have no problem halting immigration from these areas completely. Most Americans don't need to be lectured on their skin color and our system of government.

We don't need other people stealing our resources (through the Democratic party), forcing their language and culture on us just because their own nation is dirt poor, forcing us to acknowledge and "respect" these primitive cultures at the behest of nationalist idiots just because a bunch of freaks think they are more entitled than the rest of us. To hell with all of them.
 
Black_Iron seems to have done his homework! And then some. It's pertty hard to to argue with facts. I am looking foward to reading about all the 'good' things about Al.And if what B_I posted can be disputed, with facts that is.It is no secret Mexico wants the SW back.Bush seems(is)to cozy up to Vinnie Fox quit a bit.Being a little PC can cloud one's judgment sometimes. As far as discovering America, anyone ever hear of Kenowick man?
 
First of all, I'm not a "racist" according to a reputable dictionary.

Somehow, I am a "racist" when I disagree with the illegal and radical policies of some these "ethnic groups". :eek:

Let's face it, they're all out for their own economic gain. They couldn't care less about America other than the fact that it is rich. What about all the white Americans continously ridiculed and embarassed for living in their own country? When they are economically punished, everybody thinks they deserve it!

This kind of attitude is shocking, and I'm not letting these Marxist-affiliated radical groups control the agenda or the debate any longer. They are interested in nothing but their power, and they can get power by corrupting people to vote against their long-term interests. I'm here to stop that.

The Stanford Review

Editorial
MEChA: Social Justice Group or KKK?
by Editorial Board

So what exactly is MEChA? A social justice group that coordinates efforts in the fight for the rights of the underprivileged and unrepresented? An ethnic identity group that provides Chicanos/Latinos a place to feel welcome and opportunities to fraternize and take pride for who they are? Or a racist organization that advocates revolution and segregation?

In fact, MEChA is all of these things. MEChA is in many ways the modern day Ku Klux Klan of Chicanos. While you may initially believe this statement to be hyperbole, a further examination will lend credence to the comparison. Before proceeding, note that the parallel is between the modern day KKK and MEChA, which is a much different organization than the KKK of the past. We are in no way suggesting that MEChA is an organization that lynches and terrorizes other races in the manner the KKK has in the past, nor has MEChA been the cause of intimidation, pain, and anguish as has the KKK. Where the comparisons are familiar, however, are in the present day ideologies of the organizations.

El Plan de Aztlán, first presented in 1969, is the most heinous fundamental document associated with MEChA. This document is where the statement "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada" ("For those in the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing") comes from. During the Recall campaign California Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante came under much fire for not denouncing this blatantly racist rule. In addition, this plan calls for a revolution to return control of the lands of their forefathers to Chicano control. "Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans." So, in essence, any actual attempt to adhere to the tenets of this plan would not only be racist, but treasonous (which makes the fact that the Lt. Governor of California refused to denounce it even more frightening).

The sentiments expressed in El Plan de Aztlán are not that different from some of the goals of the modern day KKK. For instance, the Klan calls for recognition that "America was born as an extension of White European heritage." So while the KKK calls for the complete assertion of White European control of America, MEChA calls for the assertion of Chicano control. Both organizations call for segregation of the races, which is something that should have been left far in the past.

To its credit, Stanford MEChA does not recognize El Plan de Aztlán beyond its historical relevance. However, the national organization, with which Stanford's chapter is becoming more involved, still recognizes the plan as "essential to the philosophy of MEChA."

El Plan Espiritual de Santa Barbara, while not as atrocious as El Plan de Aztlán, is still a revolting document. Moreover, Stanford MEChA, rather than dismissing this Plan as merely historical, actually has this document on its website. El Plan Espiritual de Santa Barbara denounces the ideal of America as a melting pot, claiming that Chicanos must resist this dilution of their culture. This sentiment is very similar to that of the KKK, which feels that nonWhite cultures are polluting American society.

However, what is perhaps the most injurious is the disenfranchisement of Hispanics advocated in El Plan Espiritual de Santa Barbara. As opposed to the Chicano, "The Mexican American or Hispanic is a person who lacks selfrespect and pride in one's ethnic and cultural background." Therefore, this Plan does not even recognize Hispanics who choose not to emphasize their differences from other Americans due to race as being part of MEChA. This emphasis on racial pride sounds eerily familiar to one of the mottos of the KKK: "White Pride, World Wide."

Now, because there are similarities between the KKK and MEChA it does not suggest they are the same organizations by any means. The point of the comparisons was to illustrate the similarity concerning ideas about race. Both MEChA and the KKK advocate separatism of the races because they believe their respective races are being contaminated through interracial interaction. The KKK believes America was a White nation founded on White principles, and the influence of all of the other races has led America astray from its illustrious roots. Meanwhile, MEChA believes Aztlán belongs to Chicanos, and America and its capitalist system has stolen Aztlán from its rightful owners and, even worse, is destroying Chicano culture. It is for these reasons that the former Grand Wizard of the California Klan, Tom Metzger, endorsed the candidacy of Cruz Bustamante.

Attributing all of these positions to Stanford MEChA is not fair. Indeed, I would hope the leadership of MEChA at Stanford would officially denounce these racist and segregationist principles on which MEChA was founded. However, since Stanford MeChA skipped an appointment for an interview with the Review, we cannot say for sure what they would or would not endorse. But when one of the Plans is posted on the Stanford website, and given that MEChA was founded upon these principles, the very existence of MEChA at Stanford lends tacit support for its racist agenda.

The primary purpose of the Stanford MEChA organization, however, is not to promote separatism, according to some members. First and foremost, Stanford MEChA serves as a network of Chicano students designed to promote social activism for progress in the area of issues affecting the Chicano/Latino community and their education. Besides that, they are typically your normal ethnic liberal social activist group, getting involved in issues such as workers' rights, antiwar protests, and ethnic celebrations.

While we at the Review often disagree in the position MEChA takes on many issues, we do not challenge their right to exist on campus nor do we want them to stop their efforts of social activism. A large majority of Stanford MEChA members probably have no idea that MEChA is anything more than a social activist and cultural identity group, which is why they got involved in the first place. If they knew the history behind their organization, they may think twice about attending the next meeting. But people have a right to express whatever views they wish, and a healthy discourse on issues is something is healthy to the Stanford community and much preferable to the predominant apathy on campus. However, these goals of the Stanford MEChA organization could be better accomplished without the baggage that being part of MEChA brings with it.

Stanford MEChA currently receives more than $40,000 per year in special fees from Stanford students through the ASSU. We wonder what percentage of the student body that voted MEChA special fees knew of the racism embedded within its founding documents. The purpose of our investigation into MEChA was to expose the true nature of the organization so that students can make an informed decision on whether to support it in the future. What we found was that Stanford MEChA's goals do not coincide with the separatist goals of the national organization, yet there's a hesitance to denounce these policies on the leaderships' part of Stanford MEChA. We call for the leadership of Stanford MEChA to renounce its affiliation with the national organization, rather than continuing to increase affiliation. This bold move would make a firm statement against racism and for racial reconciliation, and would grant more respectability to their social justice activities. If such an expurgation is not possible, then we call on the leadership of Stanford MEChA to officially denounce these policies of the national MEChA organization which do nothing but spread and worsen the hateful racism that so many people and organizations have fought so hard against for so many years. Take a progressive step, MEChA leadership. Renounce racism.

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BlackI

First, I don’t need to be dense – you seem to be doing quite a suitable job of that for everyone here.
I hardly even know where to start now that you’ve cut and pasted so much irrelevant crap. Whats wrong, can’t speak for yourself? Can’t find any evidence that directly addresses Gonzalez’s actions and not the positions of a group he is only a board member of? Hell, Gonzalez was only endorsed by LaRaza – he’s a member of AAMA. AAMA is an affiliate of La Raza, but the term “affiliate” does not necessarily mean AAMA is owned, controlled, directed, advised, or financed by La Raza. In my experience, an “affiliate” relationship may be something as innocuous as the mere use of a trademark on a website, or sharing of mailing lists. NCLR claims an affiliate relationship with more than 300 community organizations. Exactly what is the nature of the affiliation between AAMA and La Raza?
WRT the Supreme Court and the AG, I don’t know how to get it through your thick skull that the AG is not a part of the judiciary. The AG does not have any more sway with the Supreme Court than a good private practice lawyer appearing before the Court. The AG may represent the United States and the federal government in cases before the Supreme Court, but its still a part of the executive Branch and thus insulated from the Court which is part of the judiciary. Civics 101, my friend. Tell me, why would a justice on the Supreme Court be any more beholden to the views of the AG than any other party or their representation in a case before the Court. Your ignorance on this subject would be stunning if your prejudice wasn’t so blatant. Again, I ask you for some proof that Gonzalez will NOT faithfully discharge his duties as AG. All you can provide so far is a vague and tenuous link between Gonzalez and NCLR, and irrelevant cut & pasted nonsense that only provides someone else’s opinion of Gonzalez. What specifically has Gonzalez said or done that indicated he cannot or will not do the job of the AG? Show me a cite to a case, or a quote from Gonzalez himself. If all you can find is that he’s a member of a group that is somehow vaguely affiliated to another group that urges services for Mexicans, you’re FOS and out of ammo IMHO.
So pro-life is your concern? Great. At least now I know your perspective is that of the Christian Taliban that’s PO’d about Gonzalez’s position on teenage abortion. Hell, you even mentioned Roe v. Wade as an unconstitutional law (“When I refer to "unconstitutional laws", I am referring to Roe V. Wade”). Last I read, in Roe v. Wade and Casey v. Planned Parenthood abortion was determined to be legal and Constitutional by the US Supreme Court. I didn’t read the news today, but if you were appointed to the Supreme Court and ruled another case today that overruled those two I’d love to hear about it. Got a case cite for me Chief Justice BlackIron?
(Or would you like to tell me why the US Constitution and Madison v. Marbury is wrong, and how you are the arbiter of what is Constitutional and what is not? Maybe I missed it, but I don’t recall seeing your name mentioned anywhere in Article III of my copy of the Constitution.)
Finally WRT to the assault weapons ban, you again just can’t get the idea through your head that its not about what Gonzalez believes. Rather it’s the politics of the senate confirmation process. That is the context in which those statements were made. Additionally, IIRC it was during questioning by Chuck Schumer. In the 2004 elections you probably voted against Bush because he said he’d sigh the AW IF it made it to his desk. Unfortunately, you’re too thick to understand that was merely a political statement made to disarm a democrat issue in an election year. If anything made it out of Congress, the republicans in Congress would have put a few pork barrel extras on the bill so Bush would have a plausible and unrelated excuse for exercising the veto on it. Bush had no intention of renewing the ban, but politics being politics, there are certain statements you have to make and worry about finding a way to not back them up later on.
 
Shaggy,

If you have nothing to offer other than uncivilized propagandic rants, might I suggest a different thread topic?

Hell, I was just returning the favor. You seemed to like uncivilized propagandic rants...but I suppose thats only when they come from your keyboard.
 
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