the end to the man hunt of Brian Nichols
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Courthouse shooting suspect Brian Nichols' first trial ended when jurors could not agree on whether he was guilty of rape and assault. 11Alive Investigator Jerry Carnes obtained some of the transcripts from that trial, which included details of Nichols' own testimony.
The rape charges were brought against Nichols when a former girlfriend claimed last August that he attacked her in her Sandy Springs condominium. She told police she was bound and raped for hours.
The first trial ended in a hung jury, leading to a second trial that began about a week later.
It was during his second trial that, police say, Nichols overpowered a deputy, took her weapon, and shot to death Judge Rowland Barnes and court reporter Julie Ann Brandau. Deputy Hoyt "Keith" Teasley was shot and killed when he tried to stop Nichols outside the courtroom on March 11
Nichols, a college-educated man and former football player, once considered a career in criminal justice. He attended church and worked as a computer systems analysis. During Nichols' February rape trial, jurors, however, heard claims of a violent, brutal side.
During the first trial, a witness testified that just hours before the alleged attack, Nichols' confronted his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend. When he was threatened with arrest, Nichols allegedly responded, "They can lock me up, they can take me to jail, but eventually, I'll be out and I'll be back."
On the witness stand, Nichols admitted that he and his girlfriend had a rocky, seven-year relationship. The two had attended worship services and were baptized together at their church in a Gwinnett County industrial park.
Their relationship ended when Nichols got another woman pregnant. Nichols testified that on the night of the alleged rape, he and his ex were together, watching a movie and talked about the possibility of repairing their relationship.
"We ended up being intimate," he claimed "It was with her consent"
Later, Nichols testified, the two fought.
"As a man, I've never put my hands on a woman in a way she didn't want me to,” Nichols said. She smacked me [after they started arguing about him getting another woman pregnant], since I never put my hands on a woman in anyway that she doesn't ask me to, I was mad, and automatically, I'm ready to go."
Nichols, during his testimony, denied he had held his former girlfriend hostage, and denied he had raped and sodomized her.
"Ninety percent of the things (she) has said about that night are not true,” he testified. "I can't tell you why (she) has me sitting here facing two life sentences."
The ex-girlfriend testified that Nichols would not let go of the relationship and that he was suicidal.
"Brian had also told me that he was thinking about committing suicide, and we had gone through one evening where he pretty much called me and asked me if I would take care of his dog, and that he was going to commit suicide that night,” she said.
She told jurors that on August 19th of last year, Nichols' broke into her condominium, bound her with duct tape, and threatened her with a gun.
"He pretty much told me there were some demons inside of him that had been pretty much awakened as a result of this whole process, and that all I needed to do was to comply with him and this was part of his healing and that he would not harm me,” she testified.
Nichols' accuser claimed at one point Nichols started crying and said he couldn't believe what he was doing. The alleged victim claims she read to him from the Bible and suggested he seek help. She says at that point, Nichols became angry and said "I'm in control".
"H made the comment that even if they were to lock me up for 20 years, that he would be the model prisoner, and he would spend that 20 years trying to figure out how to come back after me,” the alleged victim testified.
After their breakup, Nichols' former girlfriend started dating a minister at the church she and Nichols' both attended.
On the witness stand, the minister testified that Nichols once said “There's a demon inside me, and knowing that the two of you are together, this demon is growing and it's getting very powerful, and I don't know what I, I don't know what I'm capable of doing."
The jury foreman, Jack Liles, said he was not convinced of Nichols' guilt. (Read Related Story).
"We didn't have an evil monster on our hands. We had an intelligent, articulate, educated man who did a reasonable job explaining his version of the events in his defense,” Liles said.
"I didn't have any doubt. For me, it was pretty clear," said juror Stephen O'Leary.
The Fulton County district attorney says he would like to resolve the rape trial but it looks unlikely following the shootings at the Fulton County Courthouse.
Courthouse shooting suspect Brian Nichols' first trial ended when jurors could not agree on whether he was guilty of rape and assault. 11Alive Investigator Jerry Carnes obtained some of the transcripts from that trial, which included details of Nichols' own testimony.
The rape charges were brought against Nichols when a former girlfriend claimed last August that he attacked her in her Sandy Springs condominium. She told police she was bound and raped for hours.
The first trial ended in a hung jury, leading to a second trial that began about a week later.
It was during his second trial that, police say, Nichols overpowered a deputy, took her weapon, and shot to death Judge Rowland Barnes and court reporter Julie Ann Brandau. Deputy Hoyt "Keith" Teasley was shot and killed when he tried to stop Nichols outside the courtroom on March 11
Nichols, a college-educated man and former football player, once considered a career in criminal justice. He attended church and worked as a computer systems analysis. During Nichols' February rape trial, jurors, however, heard claims of a violent, brutal side.
During the first trial, a witness testified that just hours before the alleged attack, Nichols' confronted his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend. When he was threatened with arrest, Nichols allegedly responded, "They can lock me up, they can take me to jail, but eventually, I'll be out and I'll be back."
On the witness stand, Nichols admitted that he and his girlfriend had a rocky, seven-year relationship. The two had attended worship services and were baptized together at their church in a Gwinnett County industrial park.
Their relationship ended when Nichols got another woman pregnant. Nichols testified that on the night of the alleged rape, he and his ex were together, watching a movie and talked about the possibility of repairing their relationship.
"We ended up being intimate," he claimed "It was with her consent"
Later, Nichols testified, the two fought.
"As a man, I've never put my hands on a woman in a way she didn't want me to,” Nichols said. She smacked me [after they started arguing about him getting another woman pregnant], since I never put my hands on a woman in anyway that she doesn't ask me to, I was mad, and automatically, I'm ready to go."
Nichols, during his testimony, denied he had held his former girlfriend hostage, and denied he had raped and sodomized her.
"Ninety percent of the things (she) has said about that night are not true,” he testified. "I can't tell you why (she) has me sitting here facing two life sentences."
The ex-girlfriend testified that Nichols would not let go of the relationship and that he was suicidal.
"Brian had also told me that he was thinking about committing suicide, and we had gone through one evening where he pretty much called me and asked me if I would take care of his dog, and that he was going to commit suicide that night,” she said.
She told jurors that on August 19th of last year, Nichols' broke into her condominium, bound her with duct tape, and threatened her with a gun.
"He pretty much told me there were some demons inside of him that had been pretty much awakened as a result of this whole process, and that all I needed to do was to comply with him and this was part of his healing and that he would not harm me,” she testified.
Nichols' accuser claimed at one point Nichols started crying and said he couldn't believe what he was doing. The alleged victim claims she read to him from the Bible and suggested he seek help. She says at that point, Nichols became angry and said "I'm in control".
"H made the comment that even if they were to lock me up for 20 years, that he would be the model prisoner, and he would spend that 20 years trying to figure out how to come back after me,” the alleged victim testified.
After their breakup, Nichols' former girlfriend started dating a minister at the church she and Nichols' both attended.
On the witness stand, the minister testified that Nichols once said “There's a demon inside me, and knowing that the two of you are together, this demon is growing and it's getting very powerful, and I don't know what I, I don't know what I'm capable of doing."
The jury foreman, Jack Liles, said he was not convinced of Nichols' guilt. (Read Related Story).
"We didn't have an evil monster on our hands. We had an intelligent, articulate, educated man who did a reasonable job explaining his version of the events in his defense,” Liles said.
"I didn't have any doubt. For me, it was pretty clear," said juror Stephen O'Leary.
The Fulton County district attorney says he would like to resolve the rape trial but it looks unlikely following the shootings at the Fulton County Courthouse.
www.ajc.com Brian Nichols 'Laid back . . . nice' . . . and troubled
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A relative called him a laid-back young man from a solid family.
But snapshots from Nichols' life portray a man who had been in trouble long before he was charged last summer with the violent rape of his ex-girlfriend.
Nichols, 33, has been arrested several times, has moved from job to job and was in arrears for child support payments for a baby he fathered when he was 20.
Nichols grew up in Baltimore and in South Carolina. In the fall of 1989, he began attending Kutztown University in Pennsylvania, where he declared a major in biology.
He went to the school for three semesters, and in 1989 he played linebacker on the college's football team, the Golden Bears.
Mark Steinmeyer, who played with Nichols and is now an assistant coach at Kutztown, said he doesn't remember Nichols as a great athlete.
But Mark Schuler, who played on the defensive line in 1989, recalled that Nichols was "a hell of a football player. He was like skating on ice when we were sweating. I thought he could make the show."
While at Kutztown, Nichols was arrested by campus police in 1990 and charged with harassment and disorderly conduct. He pleaded guilty and paid fines.
In 1992 and 1993, Nichols played football again, this time for Newberry College in South Carolina. But he was kicked off the team for stealing from a dormitory room, said Ryan Gross, a spokesman for the university athletics department.
'A good family'
In 1994, Nichols and his family moved to Florida and rented a peach-colored stucco house in Lauderdale Lakes, Fla., near Fort Lauderdale.
"They were excellent people, excellent," said Gloria Dilbert, an administrative assistant with the Broward County Commission.
About six months later, the family bought a home in nearby Lauderhill.
James Phillips, who sold the family the house, and Dilbert remembered that Nichols' mother, Claritha, worked with the Internal Revenue Service. Nichols' father, Gene, belonged to the Kiwanis Club of Central Broward and talked about starting a catering business with his son. They even brought a lunch wagon.
Neighbors there remembered Brian Nichols as a pleasant young man who liked to garden and walk to the park.
In 1995, Nichols tried to tried obtain a security officer's license in Florida but was denied because he didn't respond to a letter from the state asking for clarification about his criminal history, records show.
About the same time, Nichols' mother was transferred to Atlanta, and the family moved to Georgia. Not long after that Nichols was in trouble, and court records show that he was on probation from 1996 to 1999 for a felony drug case in Cobb County.
R. Joy Walker, a DeKalb County Recorders Court judge who used to be a public defender, represented Nichols at his probation revocation hearing after he was caught with a small amount of marijuana. "He was very respectful to me," Walker said.
The judge refused to revoke Nichols' probation because the evidence was flimsy, Walker said.
Reginald Small, a relative of Nichols' who lives in Baltimore, has not seen Nichols in about six years. But he called Nichols "a fine young gentleman."
"It's unbelievable. I'm watching the news, too," Small said. "I don't know what's going on. All I can say is he came from a good family."
But by last summer, when Nichols was charged with the rape of his former girlfriend, he was, in the eyes of police, a dangerous criminal who might be carrying a machine gun. That was why about 25 SWAT officers descended on his Sandy Springs condominium complex to arrest him.
"They were fully packed with automatic weapons drawn and with faces blacked out," recalled Greg Stalnaker, who lived next door to Nichols. "They were looking for someone armed and dangerous."
When police captured him days later, Nichols had two guns and a bag containing 10 pounds of marijuana, authorities said.
Assistant District Attorney Gayle Abramson, who was prosecuting Nichols on the rape charge, called him "cocky." But she said he had exhibited "nothing that was outwardly violent."
Barry Hazen, Nichols' defense lawyer, echoed the prosecutor's thoughts.
"Given the fact that he was charged with a very violent crime, he was very laid back, very easygoing, very polite, very mild in the way he came across. He never seemed to get ruffled or excited or angry or hostile, and that's not always the case. He was more laid back than most."
And while Stalnaker, the neighbor, said Nichols had "the air of a thug," Masoud Zahedi, a friend of the woman Nichols is accused of raping, described him as "a very pleasant guy."
Zahedi said Nichols was a "nice guy, good looking, always going to the gym. I was surprised [by Friday's events]."
He said Nichols and the alleged rape victim lived together for a while. Zahedi said Nichols told him he worked nights for a check-cashing operation.
Neighbors saw Nichols as a night owl, and a bit odd. Stalnaker said Nichols and a young boy were constantly using the pay telephone at the complex swimming pool at all times of day and night.
Full coverage of the shooting at the courthouse and the capture of Brian Nichols
A relative called him a laid-back young man from a solid family.
But snapshots from Nichols' life portray a man who had been in trouble long before he was charged last summer with the violent rape of his ex-girlfriend.
Nichols, 33, has been arrested several times, has moved from job to job and was in arrears for child support payments for a baby he fathered when he was 20.
Nichols grew up in Baltimore and in South Carolina. In the fall of 1989, he began attending Kutztown University in Pennsylvania, where he declared a major in biology.
He went to the school for three semesters, and in 1989 he played linebacker on the college's football team, the Golden Bears.
Mark Steinmeyer, who played with Nichols and is now an assistant coach at Kutztown, said he doesn't remember Nichols as a great athlete.
But Mark Schuler, who played on the defensive line in 1989, recalled that Nichols was "a hell of a football player. He was like skating on ice when we were sweating. I thought he could make the show."
While at Kutztown, Nichols was arrested by campus police in 1990 and charged with harassment and disorderly conduct. He pleaded guilty and paid fines.
In 1992 and 1993, Nichols played football again, this time for Newberry College in South Carolina. But he was kicked off the team for stealing from a dormitory room, said Ryan Gross, a spokesman for the university athletics department.
'A good family'
In 1994, Nichols and his family moved to Florida and rented a peach-colored stucco house in Lauderdale Lakes, Fla., near Fort Lauderdale.
"They were excellent people, excellent," said Gloria Dilbert, an administrative assistant with the Broward County Commission.
About six months later, the family bought a home in nearby Lauderhill.
James Phillips, who sold the family the house, and Dilbert remembered that Nichols' mother, Claritha, worked with the Internal Revenue Service. Nichols' father, Gene, belonged to the Kiwanis Club of Central Broward and talked about starting a catering business with his son. They even brought a lunch wagon.
Neighbors there remembered Brian Nichols as a pleasant young man who liked to garden and walk to the park.
In 1995, Nichols tried to tried obtain a security officer's license in Florida but was denied because he didn't respond to a letter from the state asking for clarification about his criminal history, records show.
About the same time, Nichols' mother was transferred to Atlanta, and the family moved to Georgia. Not long after that Nichols was in trouble, and court records show that he was on probation from 1996 to 1999 for a felony drug case in Cobb County.
R. Joy Walker, a DeKalb County Recorders Court judge who used to be a public defender, represented Nichols at his probation revocation hearing after he was caught with a small amount of marijuana. "He was very respectful to me," Walker said.
The judge refused to revoke Nichols' probation because the evidence was flimsy, Walker said.
Reginald Small, a relative of Nichols' who lives in Baltimore, has not seen Nichols in about six years. But he called Nichols "a fine young gentleman."
"It's unbelievable. I'm watching the news, too," Small said. "I don't know what's going on. All I can say is he came from a good family."
But by last summer, when Nichols was charged with the rape of his former girlfriend, he was, in the eyes of police, a dangerous criminal who might be carrying a machine gun. That was why about 25 SWAT officers descended on his Sandy Springs condominium complex to arrest him.
"They were fully packed with automatic weapons drawn and with faces blacked out," recalled Greg Stalnaker, who lived next door to Nichols. "They were looking for someone armed and dangerous."
When police captured him days later, Nichols had two guns and a bag containing 10 pounds of marijuana, authorities said.
Assistant District Attorney Gayle Abramson, who was prosecuting Nichols on the rape charge, called him "cocky." But she said he had exhibited "nothing that was outwardly violent."
Barry Hazen, Nichols' defense lawyer, echoed the prosecutor's thoughts.
"Given the fact that he was charged with a very violent crime, he was very laid back, very easygoing, very polite, very mild in the way he came across. He never seemed to get ruffled or excited or angry or hostile, and that's not always the case. He was more laid back than most."
And while Stalnaker, the neighbor, said Nichols had "the air of a thug," Masoud Zahedi, a friend of the woman Nichols is accused of raping, described him as "a very pleasant guy."
Zahedi said Nichols was a "nice guy, good looking, always going to the gym. I was surprised [by Friday's events]."
He said Nichols and the alleged rape victim lived together for a while. Zahedi said Nichols told him he worked nights for a check-cashing operation.
Neighbors saw Nichols as a night owl, and a bit odd. Stalnaker said Nichols and a young boy were constantly using the pay telephone at the complex swimming pool at all times of day and night.
Fred Hansen
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For what? Having a psycho as a boyfriend?
If that was against the law then a large percentage of the women under 30 in this country would fry.
I'm for frying the killer, not those who (by whatever means) survived his animal nature.
Ohio Annie
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It was reported elsewhere that he was "held at bay by a widow reading from a religious tract." She actually read him the 31st chapter of "The Purpose-Driven Life," purpose being probably a new concept to him. Anyway, she responded as a Christian lady is expected to respond. I know there are people in this forum who are all for blowing away whoever but in this case here was a woman with another "purpose."
Things to charge her with;
1. Harboring a fugitive, help giving him a place to sleep and eat while on the run
2. Accessory to murder, accessory to carjacking, this would be for helping him hide the truck.
3. Obstruction of justice.
This bizarre story was check by the FBI and for now they can not prove the fact that they knew each other.
Last I find it funny that Brian Nichols and Ashley smith belonged to the same Gym but some how never crossed paths before. Then somehow he ends up at her home that she just happened to move in and she, he does not try to rape her or hurt her, rather he is helping her move in and is helping her unpack boxes and lighting candles around the apartment. Ok Ms. Smith.
Let me tell you this, being that I live in the complex over to hers I can tell first hand that every police car that belonged to central district of Gwinnett County was at the scene, they staged behind the apartment where Nichols could not know they was outside.Keep in mind this nut went from 0 to 60 in a split second and nothing MS Smith could say or read could stop it.
Then the sky was filled with every new media helicopter and they hovered over the particular building, so when he looked outside he knew it was over. When he turned on the TV and seen every news chopper was over his location then he knew it was over.
That is why he came out waving a white flag, he knew the police had to be outside as well and was going to storm him. This is the second time a swat team was used to arrest this man, so he must have not liked the first time this happened.
He knew it was coming and with the news over head he knew the police could not shoot him on live TV if he came out unarmed.
SWAT was setting up the robot and just completed it, the robot is armed with a 12 ga and has a device that the police can talk to him and he would have talked to them instead of the one of the victim’s cell phone. The police was on the phone with him before Ashley was released. They were trying to pint point the cell phone, they had the tower and in narrowed down to 6 mile area they just needed the exact location of it and they would have had it even if that 911call did not come in. Ever go on a crime spree, never bring a cell phone or leave on one. When the phone is on it goes to a tower and the police can track you movement
Ashley Smith is not a hero!!!!!!!!!!!!
I you all want to credit anyone with the hero status try the Gwinnett county police and if you are not a police fan then try the news media helicopters because each one had more to do with this guy giving up then she did.
1. Harboring a fugitive, help giving him a place to sleep and eat while on the run
2. Accessory to murder, accessory to carjacking, this would be for helping him hide the truck.
3. Obstruction of justice.
This bizarre story was check by the FBI and for now they can not prove the fact that they knew each other.
Last I find it funny that Brian Nichols and Ashley smith belonged to the same Gym but some how never crossed paths before. Then somehow he ends up at her home that she just happened to move in and she, he does not try to rape her or hurt her, rather he is helping her move in and is helping her unpack boxes and lighting candles around the apartment. Ok Ms. Smith.
Let me tell you this, being that I live in the complex over to hers I can tell first hand that every police car that belonged to central district of Gwinnett County was at the scene, they staged behind the apartment where Nichols could not know they was outside.Keep in mind this nut went from 0 to 60 in a split second and nothing MS Smith could say or read could stop it.
Then the sky was filled with every new media helicopter and they hovered over the particular building, so when he looked outside he knew it was over. When he turned on the TV and seen every news chopper was over his location then he knew it was over.
That is why he came out waving a white flag, he knew the police had to be outside as well and was going to storm him. This is the second time a swat team was used to arrest this man, so he must have not liked the first time this happened.
He knew it was coming and with the news over head he knew the police could not shoot him on live TV if he came out unarmed.
SWAT was setting up the robot and just completed it, the robot is armed with a 12 ga and has a device that the police can talk to him and he would have talked to them instead of the one of the victim’s cell phone. The police was on the phone with him before Ashley was released. They were trying to pint point the cell phone, they had the tower and in narrowed down to 6 mile area they just needed the exact location of it and they would have had it even if that 911call did not come in. Ever go on a crime spree, never bring a cell phone or leave on one. When the phone is on it goes to a tower and the police can track you movement
Ashley Smith is not a hero!!!!!!!!!!!!
I you all want to credit anyone with the hero status try the Gwinnett county police and if you are not a police fan then try the news media helicopters because each one had more to do with this guy giving up then she did.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Hmmmm-
Why did the Sheriff of Gwinnett County credit her with the tip when he might have given all of the credit to his own SWAT Team?
Rich
Why did the Sheriff of Gwinnett County credit her with the tip when he might have given all of the credit to his own SWAT Team?
Rich
Fred Hansen
New member
So she should have... WHAT? What exactly should she have done? Whipped some Kung Fu on him? Given him the Vulcan Death-Pinch?
You live right next door, how come you didn't go kick his ass and turn him in? The least you could have done is to unhide his truck.
Maybe you were helping him out. After all you live one apartment complex over. Surely you must have "crossed paths" with him?
Why does every bloody thing have to turn in to a damned conspiracy theory? And bad conspiracy theories at that? :barf:
Ohio Annie
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you're forgetting that she was held prisoner and tied up. this case is similar to one a few years ago when a prison escapee was encouraged to surrender by a Christian lady.
in this present case she certainly was not "harboring a fugitive."
He had a gun. She was armed with pancakes and a copy of "the Purpose-filled Life."
in this present case she certainly was not "harboring a fugitive."
He had a gun. She was armed with pancakes and a copy of "the Purpose-filled Life."
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Rich Lucibella
Staff
Emotional disaffection and reality disconnect, I think.
Everyone thinks they're as clever, hard working and brave as the next guy. Yet, they can't seem to achieve ther goals. When others do, the "game" is rigged; when others don't, they probably had it coming.
- Martha Stewart goes to jail for lying to a cop....she had it coming
- Robert Blake gets off after 12 of our peers hear all the evidence....he bought his way out
- Ashley Smith saves God-Only-Knows how many lives...she's a whore.
Nothing can be what it appears to be....because, when we admit that, we're forced to admit that our own positions are those of our own making....and, maybe....just maybe, we're not as clever, hard working or brave as the "other" guy.
Rich
Fred Hansen. 1. So she should have... WHAT? What exactly should she have done? Whipped some Kung Fu on him? Given him the Vulcan Death-Pinch?
2. You live right next door, how come you didn't go kick his ass and turn him in? The least you could have done is to unhide his truck.
3. Maybe you were helping him out. After all you live one apartment complex over. Surely you must have "crossed paths" with him?
4.Why does every bloody thing have to turn in to a damned conspiracy theory? And bad conspiracy theories at that?
fred. 1.If a man on the run I knew called me on my cell phone and told me they needed to see me and I just moved. I do not think I would tell them ok and then tell them how to find me.
2.If I had seen it I would have and if he came to my apartment we both might be dead. I wont go with out a fight.
3. get real man.
4. On this story its easy because its so bizarre. another reason is because she can't seem to tell the same story twice, why is that?
Funny thing is they both belonged to the same gym, crunch fitness.
Then he happens to end up at her apartment complex with the other hundreds of thousands to choose from. Then he ends up in her apartment, the new apartment that she just moved in to one night before. Then her unpack and she reads a book, right on. get real..
come on man get real and don't be so naive.
2. You live right next door, how come you didn't go kick his ass and turn him in? The least you could have done is to unhide his truck.
3. Maybe you were helping him out. After all you live one apartment complex over. Surely you must have "crossed paths" with him?
4.Why does every bloody thing have to turn in to a damned conspiracy theory? And bad conspiracy theories at that?
fred. 1.If a man on the run I knew called me on my cell phone and told me they needed to see me and I just moved. I do not think I would tell them ok and then tell them how to find me.
2.If I had seen it I would have and if he came to my apartment we both might be dead. I wont go with out a fight.
3. get real man.
4. On this story its easy because its so bizarre. another reason is because she can't seem to tell the same story twice, why is that?
Funny thing is they both belonged to the same gym, crunch fitness.
Then he happens to end up at her apartment complex with the other hundreds of thousands to choose from. Then he ends up in her apartment, the new apartment that she just moved in to one night before. Then her unpack and she reads a book, right on. get real..
come on man get real and don't be so naive.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Now BC, I know you've got a real personal stake here; living across the hall from Ashley, or whatever. But how 'bout some answers to some easy questions:
1) What is your source that they went to the same gym?
2) What is your source that he called her on her cell phone?
3) What are your sources that show her providing different statements as to what happened?
4) WHY did the Gwinnett County Sheriff give her all the credit, when his guys did all the work, if she were an accomplice? Was she bedding the entire SWAT Team, too?
Nothing can be what it appears to be....because, when we admit that, we're forced to admit that our own positions are those of our own making....and, maybe....just maybe, we're not as clever, hard working or brave as the "other" guy. YMMV
Rich
1) What is your source that they went to the same gym?
2) What is your source that he called her on her cell phone?
3) What are your sources that show her providing different statements as to what happened?
4) WHY did the Gwinnett County Sheriff give her all the credit, when his guys did all the work, if she were an accomplice? Was she bedding the entire SWAT Team, too?
Like I said:bci4usa said:
Nothing can be what it appears to be....because, when we admit that, we're forced to admit that our own positions are those of our own making....and, maybe....just maybe, we're not as clever, hard working or brave as the "other" guy. YMMV
Rich
to Rich Lucibella
Now BC, I know you've got a real personal stake here; living across the hall from Ashley, or whatever.
Why would her I issues or any other crime that happens to anyone make it personal to me? Personal is when it’s directed at me.
But how bout some answers to some easy questions: ok
A What is your source that they went to the same gym?
Friends on mine are police officers and most tell me things as they find it out. Another friend on mine is a district attorney and this fact happens to be from that source.
But this has been on the news and in the papers, is old news. She lived in buckhead where they both went to the same crunch fitness.
2) What is your source that he called her on her cell phone?
3) What are your sources that show her providing different statements as to what happened?
One of his victim’s cell phone shoed a call to Ashley’s earlier in the day.
She first claimed she was taken hostage at 2am, then it changes to 10pm big difference.
The she said she was taken hostage at the gas station, then it turned in to as she entered her apartment he forced the door open as she closed was closing it behind her. Then it changed to, she noticed the truck backed in with a black male sitting in it, about 20 minuets later she leaves to get ciggs and noticed the males and truck was still their, then when she came back the truck and male was still inside of it, so she gets out and closes her door and he gets out and closes her door about the same time and rushes her before she gets to her apartment door and puts a gun to her.
Hello mcfly? What one is it.
Where did the duct tape come from? I know everyone has it lying around the house. Not me.
Then it changes to duct take to he cuts the lamp cord and ties her up with that. Ok what one is it? Tape or cord please pick one?
I can keep going on about the many lies and inconsistencies.
My favorite part is when she read a book to him, then they unpack together, then he’s and lighting candles around the apartment.
Now the great part, he made me drive my car and follow him, ok mcfly you are in your own car and in no danger.
See YA. But she drives with him to an unknown location, right.
Another BS part to her story, he made me take my cell phone so I can keep in direct contact with him as I follow him and could not hang up on him because i thought he would keep going. GOOD!!!! I guess she wanted to read more to him.
Then its I asked him if I can take my phone and he said do you want to, I said if its ok with you I would like to. I was never in any contact with him the whole time and was "thinking" (right) about calling the police but did not want to put them in any danger. Hello mcfly its the police, what BS. Boy will she be shocked to found how how dangerous that job is.
Can you please tell me the same storey twice just once? Hell lets go with the time, this is an easy one. Was it 10pm 11pm 12pm 1am 2am, this is easy, I know its five options and is hard to pick just one.
you know a manhunt is going on and see a black male sitting outside for 20 minuets befoe and you don't call the police? that's right she does not want to put them in any danger.
Then you see the same truck and male in the same spot for lets say 40 minuets when she returned and she did not call the police and have it checked out before you got out. Wait I know lets forget I know about the biggest man hunt and not put the police in any danger.
Listen you all of her interviews and you will hear them all, read her statements, they all change and they change like the wind.
Pick any news channel. FOX, ABC, AJC, CBS, CNN and many others, just log on to any Atlanta news web page.
4) WHY did the Gwinnett County Sheriff give her all the credit, when his guys did all the work, if she were an accomplice?
First on Gwinnett county sheriff had any in this, this was Gwinnett swat team. They were the arresting department.
No police department is going to say we are the best and this and that.
All I have ever heard is she called 911 and stayed calm though the whole thing. Can't you see that was a PM, that was what that statment was.
It's almost 2 weeks later and why has she not been paid? If she was clear of any involvement then checks would have ben cut.
Why did she Hire a crimnal defence attorney the next day?
I did not hear she was the sole reason why he was captured, can you post a link to that one?
Did you se you kill the guy or take him in to custody? Nope.
A phone call does not make anyone a hero. Putting you life in danger any longer than you need to is just plain stupid and not a hero. Firefighters know when to pull out, danger ok, go in to a building while the building is giving or you think its about to, not a good idea.
Driving a car and helping him dump a truck is just stupid.
Bringing him back to the apartment is just stupid.
She is a Brain dead moron.
If you all want to credit anyone with the hero status try the Gwinnett county police, if you are not a police fan, then try the news media helicopters.
Each one had more to do with this guy giving up with out a fight then she did.
Anyone that does not think that what the Gwinnett County police did was hard, then next time lets see you run in and get him on your own, bet their dumb ass gets killed.
I bet if the news helicopters were not in the sky, I bet Swat would have gone in after him, they would have saved us money and he would never made it out alive.
I bet this situation would have ended differently with out the helicopters.
I want to say I don’t know what made Mr. Nichols surrender.
I don’t know if what she said to him had anything to do with it or not because this guy went from 0 to 60 in a split second When Nichols heard all of the helicopters flying over head he had to know it was all over and had no place to hid or go remember his truck is not gone and so is Ashley and her car.
Who in the hell is going to out run a helicopter on foot or in a car? No one. He had to know the police where outside as well and the party was over.
He knew everyone wanted him dead for his action.
You want to call anyone a hero, call the Gwinnett police hero’s not her.
I do not consider Ashley smith a hero of any kind, I will call her a victim of a violent crime and that is it if her stories are true.
The only thing that would make her a hero would be if she knocked him out cold some how and then called the police or if she shot and killed him.
Wait she had the opportunity and thought let’s be a victim some more, “ I walked in to my bed room and seen all 4 guns under my bed” ok mcfly puck them up and start blasting away. A gun is not hard to figure out. Point the gun (the whole away from you) at what you want to hit and pull the trigger. I bet this dumb ass would have shot her self.
She also seems very interested in telling her story to anyone with a news camera and one that has a willingness to listen to her bizarre tale.
Keep in mind the FBI just interviewed her this week, and she’s flapping away fro the news media first, official’s second. The she’s singing book deals before the interviews are complete.
I do not believe the news media got her name from the police or any police report. She was the one that run over to them first chance she got and identify her self as the one held captive by Brian Nichols.
she ran over to them and said, Yoo- hoo news media; I was the one held captive and I want to tell my story to everyone that wants to listen and told may stories for days.
If she had a brain (Witch I don’t think she does) in her head she had to know what that was going to start.
Come on, in my opinion, its obvious she wanted some of that national attention. Why else would she run over to the national news media first chance she gets like she did?
she should have waited and collected herself first, then tell the lies she does. It would have sounded better. Maybe then it would have sounded more believable. Then again.
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Originally Posted by bci4usa
If I had seen it I would have and if he came to my apartment we both might be dead. I wont go with out a fight.
Dam right, I got 4 guns at my feet plus the may I have in the house, he would have need dead and a chew toy for the dog.
Now BC, I know you've got a real personal stake here; living across the hall from Ashley, or whatever.
Why would her I issues or any other crime that happens to anyone make it personal to me? Personal is when it’s directed at me.
But how bout some answers to some easy questions: ok
A What is your source that they went to the same gym?
Friends on mine are police officers and most tell me things as they find it out. Another friend on mine is a district attorney and this fact happens to be from that source.
But this has been on the news and in the papers, is old news. She lived in buckhead where they both went to the same crunch fitness.
2) What is your source that he called her on her cell phone?
3) What are your sources that show her providing different statements as to what happened?
One of his victim’s cell phone shoed a call to Ashley’s earlier in the day.
She first claimed she was taken hostage at 2am, then it changes to 10pm big difference.
The she said she was taken hostage at the gas station, then it turned in to as she entered her apartment he forced the door open as she closed was closing it behind her. Then it changed to, she noticed the truck backed in with a black male sitting in it, about 20 minuets later she leaves to get ciggs and noticed the males and truck was still their, then when she came back the truck and male was still inside of it, so she gets out and closes her door and he gets out and closes her door about the same time and rushes her before she gets to her apartment door and puts a gun to her.
Hello mcfly? What one is it.
Where did the duct tape come from? I know everyone has it lying around the house. Not me.
Then it changes to duct take to he cuts the lamp cord and ties her up with that. Ok what one is it? Tape or cord please pick one?
I can keep going on about the many lies and inconsistencies.
My favorite part is when she read a book to him, then they unpack together, then he’s and lighting candles around the apartment.
Now the great part, he made me drive my car and follow him, ok mcfly you are in your own car and in no danger.
See YA. But she drives with him to an unknown location, right.
Another BS part to her story, he made me take my cell phone so I can keep in direct contact with him as I follow him and could not hang up on him because i thought he would keep going. GOOD!!!! I guess she wanted to read more to him.
Then its I asked him if I can take my phone and he said do you want to, I said if its ok with you I would like to. I was never in any contact with him the whole time and was "thinking" (right) about calling the police but did not want to put them in any danger. Hello mcfly its the police, what BS. Boy will she be shocked to found how how dangerous that job is.
Can you please tell me the same storey twice just once? Hell lets go with the time, this is an easy one. Was it 10pm 11pm 12pm 1am 2am, this is easy, I know its five options and is hard to pick just one.
you know a manhunt is going on and see a black male sitting outside for 20 minuets befoe and you don't call the police? that's right she does not want to put them in any danger.
Then you see the same truck and male in the same spot for lets say 40 minuets when she returned and she did not call the police and have it checked out before you got out. Wait I know lets forget I know about the biggest man hunt and not put the police in any danger.
Listen you all of her interviews and you will hear them all, read her statements, they all change and they change like the wind.
Pick any news channel. FOX, ABC, AJC, CBS, CNN and many others, just log on to any Atlanta news web page.
4) WHY did the Gwinnett County Sheriff give her all the credit, when his guys did all the work, if she were an accomplice?
First on Gwinnett county sheriff had any in this, this was Gwinnett swat team. They were the arresting department.
No police department is going to say we are the best and this and that.
All I have ever heard is she called 911 and stayed calm though the whole thing. Can't you see that was a PM, that was what that statment was.
It's almost 2 weeks later and why has she not been paid? If she was clear of any involvement then checks would have ben cut.
Why did she Hire a crimnal defence attorney the next day?
I did not hear she was the sole reason why he was captured, can you post a link to that one?
Did you se you kill the guy or take him in to custody? Nope.
A phone call does not make anyone a hero. Putting you life in danger any longer than you need to is just plain stupid and not a hero. Firefighters know when to pull out, danger ok, go in to a building while the building is giving or you think its about to, not a good idea.
Driving a car and helping him dump a truck is just stupid.
Bringing him back to the apartment is just stupid.
She is a Brain dead moron.
If you all want to credit anyone with the hero status try the Gwinnett county police, if you are not a police fan, then try the news media helicopters.
Each one had more to do with this guy giving up with out a fight then she did.
Anyone that does not think that what the Gwinnett County police did was hard, then next time lets see you run in and get him on your own, bet their dumb ass gets killed.
I bet if the news helicopters were not in the sky, I bet Swat would have gone in after him, they would have saved us money and he would never made it out alive.
I bet this situation would have ended differently with out the helicopters.
I want to say I don’t know what made Mr. Nichols surrender.
I don’t know if what she said to him had anything to do with it or not because this guy went from 0 to 60 in a split second When Nichols heard all of the helicopters flying over head he had to know it was all over and had no place to hid or go remember his truck is not gone and so is Ashley and her car.
Who in the hell is going to out run a helicopter on foot or in a car? No one. He had to know the police where outside as well and the party was over.
He knew everyone wanted him dead for his action.
You want to call anyone a hero, call the Gwinnett police hero’s not her.
I do not consider Ashley smith a hero of any kind, I will call her a victim of a violent crime and that is it if her stories are true.
The only thing that would make her a hero would be if she knocked him out cold some how and then called the police or if she shot and killed him.
Wait she had the opportunity and thought let’s be a victim some more, “ I walked in to my bed room and seen all 4 guns under my bed” ok mcfly puck them up and start blasting away. A gun is not hard to figure out. Point the gun (the whole away from you) at what you want to hit and pull the trigger. I bet this dumb ass would have shot her self.
She also seems very interested in telling her story to anyone with a news camera and one that has a willingness to listen to her bizarre tale.
Keep in mind the FBI just interviewed her this week, and she’s flapping away fro the news media first, official’s second. The she’s singing book deals before the interviews are complete.
I do not believe the news media got her name from the police or any police report. She was the one that run over to them first chance she got and identify her self as the one held captive by Brian Nichols.
she ran over to them and said, Yoo- hoo news media; I was the one held captive and I want to tell my story to everyone that wants to listen and told may stories for days.
If she had a brain (Witch I don’t think she does) in her head she had to know what that was going to start.
Come on, in my opinion, its obvious she wanted some of that national attention. Why else would she run over to the national news media first chance she gets like she did?
she should have waited and collected herself first, then tell the lies she does. It would have sounded better. Maybe then it would have sounded more believable. Then again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bci4usa
If I had seen it I would have and if he came to my apartment we both might be dead. I wont go with out a fight.
Dam right, I got 4 guns at my feet plus the may I have in the house, he would have need dead and a chew toy for the dog.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
You already made that point. Once again, Source, please.
You already made that point also. Once again, Source, please. (Was it a shoe-phone?
)Ummmm, sorry. "Following the lead of Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue, two other law enforcement groups said Wednesday that they would pay thousands of dollars in reward money to Ashley Smith, the woman hailed as a hero for bringing a peaceful end to the manhunt for Brian Nichols." http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/16/atlanta.shooting/
I would. I'm not aware she did. Source please.
Nobody has stated it was easy. In a radio interview with a Miami station the night before his capture, I predicted he'd be taken down by locals somewhere.
I'm fairly certain your articulation alone might have killed him.....I know it's killin' me.
Rich
Fred Hansen
New member
So you are saying that it is your friends in law enforcement who have all of this information, and that they are shirking their duty to - as you put it - charge her with:
??????????????
Might be time to get some new friends.
links, links, links. do the searches and reading with your own eyes....
www.cnn.com www.11alive.com www.ajc.com www.wgnx.com www.wsbtv.com
www.wagatv.com
total BS and total PR statement and PM. They would pay, now will pay or when.
Ummmm, sorry. "Following the lead of Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue, two other law enforcement groups said Wednesday that they would pay thousands of dollars in reward money to Ashley Smith, the woman hailed as a hero for bringing a peaceful end to the manhunt for Brian Nichols." http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/16/atlanta.shooting/
How do you not know about an attorney when it’s been all over the news and she has been showing up with her attorney every place she goes?
These charges can be filed if they prove she helped him.
1. Harboring a fugitive, help giving him a place to sleep and eat while on the run is exactly what the charge means, look it up.
2. Accessory to murder, accessory to carjacking, this would be for helping him hide the truck. A death was involved in the taking the truck. She helped him hid it and guess what, look it up, it is against the law to take part in a crime ever after the fact. If you help move a dead person, you are just as guilty. Again look it up.
Might be a stright but
3. Obstruction of justice. She interfered with the police investigation and hid him, again look up the law, this fits.
Might be time to get some new friends, why? My friends are not doing anything wrong and or anything that won’t get them in trouble. How would it? They are not taking anything away form the crime scene and giving it to me.
Why did the FBI need a search warrant to search her apartment? Sounds fishy. My friends are just that and keep me informed. What my friends are tell me is not going to come out in court or in the news.
I so suck at typing, sorry for all the mistakes. I never seem to notice them until I post.
www.cnn.com www.11alive.com www.ajc.com www.wgnx.com www.wsbtv.com
www.wagatv.com
total BS and total PR statement and PM. They would pay, now will pay or when.
Ummmm, sorry. "Following the lead of Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue, two other law enforcement groups said Wednesday that they would pay thousands of dollars in reward money to Ashley Smith, the woman hailed as a hero for bringing a peaceful end to the manhunt for Brian Nichols." http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/16/atlanta.shooting/
How do you not know about an attorney when it’s been all over the news and she has been showing up with her attorney every place she goes?
These charges can be filed if they prove she helped him.
1. Harboring a fugitive, help giving him a place to sleep and eat while on the run is exactly what the charge means, look it up.
2. Accessory to murder, accessory to carjacking, this would be for helping him hide the truck. A death was involved in the taking the truck. She helped him hid it and guess what, look it up, it is against the law to take part in a crime ever after the fact. If you help move a dead person, you are just as guilty. Again look it up.
Might be a stright but
3. Obstruction of justice. She interfered with the police investigation and hid him, again look up the law, this fits.
Might be time to get some new friends, why? My friends are not doing anything wrong and or anything that won’t get them in trouble. How would it? They are not taking anything away form the crime scene and giving it to me.
Why did the FBI need a search warrant to search her apartment? Sounds fishy. My friends are just that and keep me informed. What my friends are tell me is not going to come out in court or in the news.
I so suck at typing, sorry for all the mistakes. I never seem to notice them until I post.
tell me if you got one chance to get out you would not be gone, I am.
tell me if you got a chance to get at a gun you would not kill his ass, i would.
Tell me if you guys would have drove him around and helped him hide the truck VS keep on driving. I am long gone and to the first police department.
tell me if you got a chance to get at a gun you would not kill his ass, i would.
Tell me if you guys would have drove him around and helped him hide the truck VS keep on driving. I am long gone and to the first police department.
Fred Hansen
New member
The CNN link you provided just goes to CNN. Not to a page reporting what you claim. Same for 11 Alive, AJC, WGNX, WSBTV, and WAGATV.
The one specified link you did post makes no mention of her phone number appearing on the cell phone(s) of any victim(s). It does mention that she helped him move the truck, but by the same token it also says that she is the reason that he subsequently gave up.
No mention of a "Bad Ass" law in Georgia where she would be expected to pull a bci4usa on the perp in order to avoid prosecution. Maybe you could provide a (specified and direct) link to such a law in Georgia, or anywhere else on planet Earth for that matter. Oh, let's just say anywhere in the Milky Way galaxy and call it good.
Oh, and just so you know, the F.B.I. will seek a warrant to investigate a potential crime so that if in the event they find anything, "anything's" admissibility won't be summarily challenged and thrown out. That way they don't end up going off half-cocked. Which when you think about it, is a pretty good way to go.
The one specified link you did post makes no mention of her phone number appearing on the cell phone(s) of any victim(s). It does mention that she helped him move the truck, but by the same token it also says that she is the reason that he subsequently gave up.
No mention of a "Bad Ass" law in Georgia where she would be expected to pull a bci4usa on the perp in order to avoid prosecution. Maybe you could provide a (specified and direct) link to such a law in Georgia, or anywhere else on planet Earth for that matter. Oh, let's just say anywhere in the Milky Way galaxy and call it good.
The issue is if what you say is true, then what is the hold up? So far it sounds like they have given her $40,000 in reward money.
Oh, and just so you know, the F.B.I. will seek a warrant to investigate a potential crime so that if in the event they find anything, "anything's" admissibility won't be summarily challenged and thrown out. That way they don't end up going off half-cocked. Which when you think about it, is a pretty good way to go.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
BC-
At the risk of being blunt, I'm going to have to say that your "friends" at Gwinnett County Sheriff, the Atlanta Prosecutor and the others inside the FBI are feeding you a line. Credibility of these claims is simply exhausted....and I think I can prove it to you:
If these sources are willing to feed you this type of inside info for posting on an internet discussion Forum, they'd certainly be willing to set the record straight by talking to me anonymously. We'll do a investigative report in SWAT Magazine of the cover-up in the Ashley Smith case; we'll put it on the cover; we'll make certain that proper credit is reassigned to all those news channel helicopters.
Contact me by email.....my pen is ready to go.
Rich
At the risk of being blunt, I'm going to have to say that your "friends" at Gwinnett County Sheriff, the Atlanta Prosecutor and the others inside the FBI are feeding you a line. Credibility of these claims is simply exhausted....and I think I can prove it to you:
If these sources are willing to feed you this type of inside info for posting on an internet discussion Forum, they'd certainly be willing to set the record straight by talking to me anonymously. We'll do a investigative report in SWAT Magazine of the cover-up in the Ashley Smith case; we'll put it on the cover; we'll make certain that proper credit is reassigned to all those news channel helicopters.
Contact me by email.....my pen is ready to go.
Rich