The Campaign promises of George W. Bush

[Rebar]

All the Bush Bashing and Bashing in general is getting old and annoying!!!

Sure is. Must have been a boring week over at the DU forums.

Face it - the democrats have nothing to offer. Their agenda is morally and intellectually bankrupt, all that they've offered for the last six years is "we hate Bush, so should you". Look at Gore, look at Kerry. Were we really supposed to vote for those losers? Compared to them Bush looks like Washington.

Now their going to offer Hillary, what a laugh. Is this a party that has anything to offer beside irrational rage and socialism?

No, it doesn't, and that's why it loses, and will continue to lose.

 

[Trip20]

I bet the same synopsis can be made of any President in history. Of course the subject matter will vary.

Eghad, did you vote for Kerry? Just curious. If so - that's one scary radical party to which your entrusting your 2A rights.

I have finally come to the conclusion that we just elect the lesser of evils, and I now know that you can tell when a politician is lying because his lips are moving.

Welcome to the world of a politics - where you have to try to please EVERYONE. Well, if you've ever made decisions which affect a large group of people, you know how hard it is to please everyone.

Surely your not naive enough to believe any candidate is going to be dead-nuts in line with you on each and every topic? I pick the one who seems to best suit my/my family/my country's needs. If this is the definition of electing "the lesser of evils", then I suppose your right. Because no matter what, every candidate - regardless of political affiliation - is going to have something with which I do not agree. Some, more than others....

Campaigns have become useless. Ever twisted or exaggerated something in an interview? You'll never know the true measure of your President until years after his term(s) are served.

 

[Eghad]

I dont belong to any political forums of either party........

 

[Boss Spearman]

I will never vote for Bayh. He repeatedly tells us in Indiana he'll do one thing, then does the opposite. He is anti gun. He and Lugar both are on the bottom of the barrel IMO.

I didn't vote for either of the Bushes. Reagan is the last Rep. I voted for. I've voted independent since he left office.

 

[Trip20]

Well, Eghad...

For whom did you vote?

What would they have done, which differs from GWB?

How is their way any better?

So then why dont you stop bashing a 2nd term president and tell me why I should affiliate myself and my vote for your party and candidate?

Until you answer some of these questions, your not doing this:

Round table discussions range from the Bill of Rights, to concealed carry, to general political issues.

Your doing mostly this:

I'm telling you that if you want to find 'bad news' bad enough, you will eventually find it. This is just another Bush-bash troll thread.

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so why do we as American citizens settle for less...are we just a higher grade of sheeple that we accuse others of being?

This is interesting. Please explain further.

Are we as Americans settling for less? -- less than what? I'm all for more - show me where.

Sheeple? In what way? Higher grade? -- how so?

 

[Eghad]

Sorry I dont post to your schedule Trip......

Sheeple...as in we take whatever they give us...and dont question it. They make a promise and then dont follow through or do the opposite.

Its not bad news if a person failed to keep his promises. Bush also failed to keep his promise about involvment with foreign countries and wars. I can understand that changing due to 9/11. So I didnt list it as it would have not been a promise under the current circumstances that could have been kept.

Those were promises he made to American Citizens publicly. So Did Bush lie to us about these promisies? I keep my promises, do you keep your promises Trip? If we both keep our promises should we expect any less from those whom we elect?

Bush stood before a group of military folks and vowed to keep the promises made to them.....

Bush tried to cut military pay to soldiers fighting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Is that keeping a promise or lying to the soldiers?

The Bush administration ordered that veterans should stop being told of thier eligibility for health care. DAV and VFW have consistently said that the current administration has underfunded the VA....

are promises just things to be made to get elected and then broken. promise is one mans word to another to do something. But then for some of you I guess the ends justifies the means.

 

[MRex21]

So go vote Democrat, then.

 

[Trip20]

You don't have to post by my schedule Eghad - I didn't mean for you to think that is the case.

Anyway, your right - we try to keep our promises. I don't know about you, but occasionally I just can't keep a promise. In which case I usually have a reason. How good or bad that reason may be is usually determined by the person to whom the promise was made. On occasion they're satisfied with my reason, other times not.

Yet due to the scale & convolution of, say, issues concerning my promises - compared to those of a President; I don't feel it's exactly a good comparison. But, fundamentally it's the same, so I'll agree.

One of the problems is the campaign process. By nature, a campaign is a popularity contest:

are promises just things to be made to get elected and then broken.

Yeah, it sucks doesn't it? Look at the campaign process. It's like a Miss America pageant for crap sake. Complete with the "I want to end world hunger" feel good BS, all in the name of the "pick me pick me!" frenzy. It's an arduous affair to climb a candidates crumbling mountain of BS, only to realize you’re not really up that high when you get to the top.

The candidates actually poll people before taking a side on an issue. If that isn't proof that they're only telling you want they think you want to hear.....

At any rate you looked over a few questions, which of course you do not have to answer if you so choose:

For whom did you vote?

What would they have done, which differs from GWB?

How is their way any better?

Are we as Americans settling for less?

less than what? I'm all for more - show me where.

So then why dont you stop bashing a 2nd term president and tell me why I should affiliate myself and my vote for your party and candidate?

 

[Eghad]

As an American citizen I have the right to talk about issues that I feel need to be discussed. If you call them bashing you are entitled to your opinion. The only other hurdle here are the moderators if they feel my post is out of line they have the right to lock it or delete it.

I have the right to express my opinion as much as you have the right to express yours.

It seems like there are some here who think like this

Democrats = evil and bad for America
Republicans = the only hope for America

If you talk about Bush you must be evil socialist liberal and against America.

then instead of any serious discusion you are labeled a basher and malcontent. You dont get any honest discusion. So far the only honest person has been NB4

Yes I voted for Kerry last election the first vote for a Democratic President since I was old enough to vote in 1974. It was not so much as a vote for Kerry as a vote against Bush. That is my chief complaint is the present system. I only had two choices. I wasnt voting for Bush who promised a better America and did not deliver.

So you vote for a President on the basis of popularity? You dont vote for him on the basis of what he says he will do to make America a better place? So when you go to a resteraunt and order something and they bring you something else do you just take it and say nothing. That would fit the definiton of a sheeple wouldnt it?

Just that the shiny and new fell off Mr. Bush for me by 2004. Here I am serving my country overseas and I read about Mr. Bush and Rumsfeld wanting to cut my pay. This is after he promised to take care of the military folks publicly. I could have lived with the pay cut, would not have been happy about it. However, for some of my lower ranking soldiers/reservists who had taken a cut in pay when they were activated and now they were looking at a possible cut in military pay to make things even worse for them finacially.

I was medically retired after I got back from overseas. God Help veterans and soldiers returning from OIF and OEF who depend on the VA as thier sole means of health care. I am lucky and have Health Insurance where I work. In fact when I go there for my yearly visits they bill my insurance which I dont mind.the wait after a call for an appointment are 3-6 months for tests or a visit. I have a 50% service connected disability and am a priority 1. I feel sad for those who are a lower priority and the wait they must have. God help them. Go visit a VA someday and talk to the Vets there. One reason I go to the VA is to keep it active. I have some service connected disabilities that I could not get private insurance for without paying a hefty premium out of my own pocket if I left my job. Thank Goodness I qualify for Tricare at age 60.

I realize that a president cant keep every promise... like I said I gave him the benefit on quite a few promises because of events. I have also given him the benefit of the doubt on his military service. I am satisfied that he performed his duty and was given a legit discharge.

At first I even defended him on WMD and Iraq. After a while the administrations reasons started becoming threadbare and then other reasons were given. To this date there has never been any satisfactory evidence for me as to why the war with Iraq was started so early. However we do have ample evidence that Cheney, Wolfowitz, Scooter, Rumsfeld and others were foaming at the mouth to go to war with Iraq right after 9/11 without the evidence of anything. I have watched numerous documentaries and readings. My only question at this point was Bush the vicitim of bad intelligence or did he get the intelligence he wanted to give us a reason to go to war with Iraq by putting pressure on those agencies to come up with some? Which is not saying that he requested it to be manufactured. The insistence was so great that some folks felt obliged to come up with some no matter how bad it was. The source's name was Curveball in what I have read and seen... pretty well fitting name....lol

thats my 2 cents worth if you dont like it...tough cookies. Its America and we are free to speak here... for now

 

[Bravo25]

Yes I voted for Kerry last election the first vote for a Democratic President since I was old enough to vote in 1974. It was not so much as a vote for Kerry as a vote against Bush. That is my chief complaint is the present system. I only had two choices. I wasnt voting for Bush who promised a better America and did not deliver.

I hear you Eghad.
I voted for Bush under pretty much the same guidlines. What I believed the to be the lesser of 2 evils. It is a sad state of affiars when we realize that this is all we can do because we have only 2 parties that are so diametrically opposed.

In the next election I intend to research the background of the candidates to see what they actually did a little more thoroughly instead of listening to them blow hot air. In the end though it will come down to the same thing. The lesser of 2 evils.

"An honest politician is one who stays bought once he has been paid for"
I could even settle for this, if anyone of them didn't make BS promises to just get elected.

 

[Trip20]

It seems like there are some here who think like this

Democrats = evil and bad for America
Republicans = the only hope for America

That's generally how I feel. Minus the theatrical stuff such as "evil" and "only hope". Democrats are, in general, going to bring the hammer down on my guns. They're interpretation of the constitution isn't in line with mine. My religious beliefs also come into play here as well. For me, the radicals controlling the Democratic party are no where near in line with my belief system. If they could get back to their fundamentals and become a little more mainstream - then I could possibly give them more consideration.

Yes I voted for Kerry last election the first vote for a Democratic President since I was old enough to vote in 1974.

I'm sure your firearms feel slighted - but I will not burn you at the stake.

So you vote for a President on the basis of popularity? You dont vote for him on the basis of what he says he will do to make America a better place? So when you go to a resteraunt and order something and they bring you something else do you just take it and say nothing. That would fit the definiton of a sheeple wouldnt it?

No. Go back and re-read my post (#22) where I state "I pick the one who seems to best suit my/my family/my country's needs. If this is the definition of electing "the lesser of evils", then I suppose your right.". Then, go back and re-read where I talk about popularity contests. I'm not describing the criteria by which I pick my President. I'm describing the circus that has become our campaign process.

thats my 2 cents worth if you dont like it...tough cookies. Its America and we are free to speak here... for now

Again, not sure why comments like this are necessary - though I do agree - you’re free and it's tough cookies for anyone who doesn't like what you say. I'm just trying to have a brief discussion. If we end up not agreeing it's not a personal thing for me, Eghad.

 

[boofus]

I didn't just vote for Bush...

I voted against John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, George Soros, Sarah Brady, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Schumer, Lautenberg, Carolyn McCarthy, Hilary Clinton, Cynthia Mckinney, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Al Franken, Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand, Susan Sarandon, Alec Baldwin, Martin Sheen, Johnny Depp, Snoop Dogg, Helen Thomas, Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Ward Churchill, Lynn Stewart, John Walker Lindh, Al Qaeda, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, Hamas, Abu Sayaf, Taliban, Greenpeace, PETA, ALF, ELF, Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, New York Times, LA Times, Mumia Abu Jamal, Leonard Peltier, Gary Graham, Noam Chumpsky, Howard Zinn, Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Vlad Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Jong Il, Jacques Chirac, Hugo Chavez, Robert Mugabe and more.

Kerry said those people were the "Heart and Soul of America" :barf:

Plus I just gave Kerry what he asked for himself. He said "I won't be president for the NRA." All true, he isn't anyone's president.

 

[Eghad]

Im not to worried about the ones yelling for Gun Control at least I know who they are and how to fight them. The ones that worry me are the ones who give lip service to freedom yet snatch it out a straw at a time till there is none left.

define get back to your fundamentals? what religious beliefs?

I dont beleive in organized or required prayer in schools. people still have the right to pray. Do they have prayer police in the school cafeteria that eject you if they catch you praying? if a student athelete wants to say a prayer on his own before the game starts, are there prayer police in the stadium? If I decide to pull out my copy of the Bible in the school library and read it on my own are the Bible police going to come from the shadows and get me? Now I would get pretty pissed if that was happening and be right there protesting with you. If you wish to make your religion an organized spectacle thats what they make churches, synagouges, mosques, monasteries, ect.... for. Invite the other folks to your place of worship. Then there is the argument that there is no religion in schools..... The place for religious upbringing is in your house and place of worship not public schools. There are plenty of religious based schools you can send you kid to if you want. Why some folks want to force kids to have organized prayer in school baffles me. If you are depending upon public school to teach your kids religion and morals.....your trust is misplaced.

Religion has caused excessive amounts of human suffering and divisiveness in our recorded history because other men have felt the need to force thier religion onto others. Even the devil can quote scripture and use it for his own ends.

God gave man the freedom to choose. If that freedom to choose is from God then it is not for another man to remove choice from others. I believe that religion is between the Individual and God, when you die and go to the scales, are you going to be judged by what religion you were, is your pastor, rabbi or mullah going to be there with you, is your religious institution going to be there with you? Dont think so, its going to be you and God and you are going to have to answer for your actions good or bad and what is in your heart.

An honest and good man is an honest or good man no matter who he believes in or what he doesnt believe in.

if the tough cookies fit wear it...if it dont ignore it.

 

[AndrewTB]

Eghad this is by far the best thread ive seen in the Legal and Political section.



MRex21,
Come on its not like we don't have a weekly democrat bashing thread here. I don't see why its not ok to bash some republicans. I swear you must have taken that out of a republican playbook.

 

[Eghad]

thank you Andrew

 

[jefnvk]

Sie etwas Ersatzknockwurst, das ich borgen kann?

Woah, you just lost me. Too many years since I took too few years of German in high school. Something about borrowing a sausage?

IMHO, the biggest screw up that the founding fathers made, was to not outlaw political parties.

The second screwup someone made was to let the candidates pick their VP, instead of giving the job to the runner-up.

 

[MRex21]

Eghad this is by far the best thread ive seen in the Legal and Political section.



MRex21,
Come on its not like we don't have a weekly democrat bashing thread here. I don't see why its not ok to bash some republicans. I swear you must have taken that out of a republican playbook.

How original. A 'bash' thread.

I'm just sitting here waiting for the 'look-how-cool-we-Libertarians-are' proselytizing to begin.

 

[NB4ZOT]

Politics will rot your brain guys. My advice is stick with guns. They rarely let you down and they don't lie to you.

Our choices are this:

Corporate warmongers

or

Weak, incompetent socialists who want to create a controlled nanny state thru judicial controls.


I'll take a corporate warmonger anyday. That's just me though.

 

[Eghad]

How original. A 'bash' thread

Is there a echo in here?

I'm just sitting here waiting for the 'look-how-cool-we-Libertarians-are' proselytizing to begin.

sorry to dissapoint ya..........

I looked at the Libertarians.... they are sniffing around the edges but thier lets gut the gubmint up front and let the chips fall where they will.....needs a little more polish and planning. Dont get me wrong I can appreciate thier approach to the governemnt and Constituiton... but if the sudden cure kills the patient what have you accomplished.

 

[MRex21]

I looked at the Libertarians.... they are sniffing around the edges but thier lets gut the gubmint up front and let the chips fall where they will.....needs a little more polish and planning. Dont get me wrong I can appreciate thier approach to the governemnt and Constituiton... but if the sudden cure kills the patient what have you accomplished.

My Brother!

Behold! We agree!