The BGs got what they deserve! (Video)

The only disturbing part is that perp #1 only got 10 years in state pen. He'll be out in 3.

I would have liked it if the Marine had put the bullet a little higher in perp #2's spine, quadraplegic would be a better punishment than paraplegic, and of course same for perp #1.
 
How is that disturbing? I love to watch bad people get shot. You think that is disturbing, you should see footage of Iraqi insurgents being executed. Oh wait thats not disturbing either.
 
jakeswensonmt said:
state pen...He'll be out in 3.
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And that's why good guys aren't too concerned about a shooting.

Criminals saunter through our streets scaring everyone, turning neighborhoods into sewers and intimidating anyone who'll stand up.

So one gets spiked in the spine, and the other gets 'spiked' in the butt. Looks like the good guys won and I don't feel a shred of remorse.

During the fun lovin' 1960's there was a cartoon that used to play on The George of the Jungle show. It was a little known cartoon called "Super Chicken." The lyrics to the theme song went:

"If things go wrong you'll have to overlook it,
Because you knew the job was dangerous when you took it."

Being an armed robber means you meet armed victims. Tough nuggies.
 
As someone once put it
"yeah, we've got some valuable stuff in here but what you've got to decide is this... is it worth your life?"
 
I've done a few buttonhooks here and there but I'm hardly an authority, but I have to question the store owner's tactic.

Of course it didn't go down this way, but in all seriousness, the owner should be dead. He pushes the guy's arm away and then runs to the right, you can see the thug has open line of sight on the owner as he runs to get his own gun. Had they been more ruthless, owner would be dead or at least wounded.

I think the guy should have CCW instead, or maybe even open carry since it was his store. The former would have worked much better when he pushed the thug's arm away, draw and fire a la Tom Cruise in the movie Collateral in the "yo homie is that my briefcase scene".

Open carry might have very well deterred that kind of brazen behavior by the robbers in the first place. Don't know if business owners can do that in NY though, and I can see how he wouldn't on a daily basis cause he would scare away all the nice fur coat wearing customers.
 
CGSteve8718 said:
but in all seriousness, the owner should be dead.
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I cannot think of one fight I have been in since childhood that went down like a well choreographed Bruce Lee movie.

Bar fights look like big drunken stadium 'wave' movements. One of my club brothers, a trained black-belt, once just started throwin' hands. He later told me, "It's all I could think of..."

In point of fact, this video is the face of real combat. It's dirty, unforeseen, crude, unpredictable, and scary, leaving a lifetime of physical suffering.

The good guy won. Thank goodness. But did anyone expect to see a polished Miami Vice duel and flawless tactical magazine reloads?
 
upgrade needed

this guy really needs to consider getting aclass III and packing a sawed off behind the counter. should not be to hard for a jewel keeper to get one
 
I am well aware of that Tourist, I didn't ask for super fast draws or fast reloads. I'm merely pointing out how the owner who I'm sure has seen his own video many times would do better to do something different now, such as CCW or open carry while in his store, in case it happens again.

I'm glad the good guy won, believe me. No, none of us can know his feelings or his exact situation, even if we've been in bad ones ourselves, every situation is different. However, thinking about and talking about other people's incidents is part of training for yourself.
 
CGSteve8718 said:
I am well aware of that Tourist, I didn't ask for super fast draws
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Oh, I know you didn't. And truth be told, I'll bet that the store owner (or you or me) would be just as 'unprofessional' if the event happened again.

When people explain the 21-foot rule it becomes obvious that the most humans have lagging reaction time simply because they cannot believe the act is really happening.

I was pushed off an icy turn by a large truck one winter, directly into the path of a telephone pole.

When I climbed out, I saw that the impact, and my locked elbows, had bent the sides of the steering wheel forward.

In other words, I get blind sided by a truck, I spin out on a glass highway, I careen fifty feet directly into a phone pole and do absolutely nothing but watch the wreck.

That instance of "freezing" has always bothered me. And I believe it is one of the reasons I stress living in yellow.
 
And truth be told, I'll bet that the store owner (or you or me) would be just as 'unprofessional' if the event happened again.
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Maybe you or I, but hopefully not him. I don't know whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, all I'm saying is we should learn from videos like this, and I'm glad that robber didn't shoot him multiple times as he ran for his gun.

I don't work in a jewelry store, or a gun store, but the guys at the gun shop I frequent the most CCW their weapons, and all the guys who work at the range I go to open carry. I don't know what their reactions would be in a armed robbery, but it's a better precaution than to have a gun in your desk in the back room.
 
CGSteve8718 said:
I don't know whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me
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I agree that this is a learning experience and I hope we all consider the outcome. More to the point, I hope we can apply the lesson.

But speaking personally, there have been times when I froze, and times I didn't. And while I have tried to discern my responses, in the final analysis, my actions seems quite random.

Best guess, my personal experiences fall into the "startle" and "anger" categories.

If you jump out from behind a bush and hit me with a broomstick, you have an almost perfect chance of success.

Here's another issue, I have never been a soldier. It appears the owner skillfully brushed aside the robber's gun and went to go get his own. The line of reasoning here is that you react as you are trained.

To this day, I walk carefully and calmly to an exit if I smell smoke.

Years of training as a schoolhouse kid in the 1950's. ;)
 
Of course it didn't go down this way, but in all seriousness, the owner should be dead. He pushes the guy's arm away and then runs to the right, you can see the thug has open line of sight on the owner as he runs to get his own gun. Had they been more ruthless, owner would be dead or at least wounded.
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Yup, this is a classic instance where the bad-guy was apparently -not- a shooter. He probably just expected compliance and then to walk right out of the store with no trouble.

This, of course, makes the bad-guy a complete idiot for even creating that situation in the first place.

It's also the sort of thing that has ABSOLUTELY NO bearing on the defendant choosing to shoot as he has/had no way of knowing at the time and the only evidence he had to go on was the presentation of a leathal weapon in a threatening manner. COMPLETELY justified in shooting in my opinion.

I also agree with the others who say that the store owner had probably "reverted to training" and that training says "better to be shot while trying for your own gun vs just standing there like a fish in a barrel". In this case the training was absolutely correct.
 
I have a VERY hard time showing any sympathy for those (criminals) who intentionally remove themselves from the strictures of the "social contract". Looting for food during a Katrina-style incident is one thing, but a well dressed, well fed, obviously healthy guy who resorts to strong-arm robbery can go swing as far as I'm concerned.
 
Another .02 USD

If you have ever held a dying bullet ridden child in your arms - even a dope dealing gangster child who hopes to drive on gold rims and spinners someday - nothing funny or cool going on here. I have had the unfortunate experience and the tough guy talk does not impress me, or I am sure anyone else who has seen "been and done".

Can't say I enjoyed watching the video but there is value in doing so.

Not sure about shooting a fleeing perp in the back yet cannot condemn the shopkeep for doing so. We - the United States - trained this man via the Marine Corps. Even if he was a file clerk in personnel he received a certain amount of combat training.

Since my son is a Corporal I feel pretty confident in saying he was not trained to hold his fire when a combatant turned their back to flee.

Col. Cooper wrote that in a crisis you do not rise to the occasion, rather you default to your training.

I hope nobody posting here thinks they are truly anonymous. Tough talk has sunk more than one defendant. Funny thing about posting on the net is that it is forever. Check out

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob105.html

Ethnic remarks do nothing to enhance the reputation of gun owners and cast all of us in a bad light.

All the weapons, skill, and training in the world won't help you if you shoot yourself in the foot by posting stuff like that. Tactically - stupid move. Hope you don't have to use force against anybody ethnically different from yourself.

If you do, you will make all gun owners look bad. AGAIN! At least you don't have to contribute to the Sarah Brady project now. You have already done quite enough to help the anti's today.

Glad the shopkeep made it out uninjured. Can't say one way or the other about the guy who went down hard - don't know the man and can't draw any sound conclusions as to why he was there. Don't feel good about what his family will be going through. Folks who had nothing to do with the robbery will have to tend to him. Sucks that we can't pick our families.

I agree ten years is pretty light for for what the other BG did.

I would hope the paralyzed man learned something and takes another direction with his life. Also hope watching that makes some idiot think twice about pulling a similar robbery. Can't feel sympathy for either of them. They brought it, they bought it.

The main thing I got from the video is the need for constant practice and continuing education if you keep a rod for defense and especially for CCW. All Marines are at least basically trained marksmen . If this cat could miss under stress at that range we all can.

The second lesson is that the balloon can go up at any time, anywhere. That tells me to remember to pay attention.
 
Bout time

perldog...it needed to be said. Thanks for putting it more tactfully than I could have. Getting shot was a tough lesson I'm sure, but the only way some learn is the hard way. I agree with you that we should not pop off about these guys with the snide remarks, hopefully it doesn't screw anyone over in the future.
 
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