The best production 1911s

Juancts

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Hi. I'm in the market for a new 1911. I'd love to get me a custom hand fitted Les Baer, Ed Brown or Wilson Combat etc... BUT, since my budget (and wife) won't allow it, I'll have to get me a production 1911 as close as it gets to a custom one.

That said, I'm trying to find the best 1911 with the following specs:

Budget: $1500
New gun. No preowned.
Size: 4.5 up to 5"
Forged frame. No cast frames for me.
Caliber: .45 (only)
Reliability is a must !

With that in mind, what would you get ??


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Never had one, never even held one, but Dan Wesson has the reputation for being an excellent gun at a good price.

I'm not a fan of that price point, as I don't think there's much difference in the $1000-$2000 range.
All of the "features" on a $1500 gun can be found in a $700 gun, so I consider spending more than that would be for something specific, not available over the counter, not just a nicely-made gun with Novaks, beavertail, full-length guide rod, etc. that virtually every gun has today.
 
Could always get a Colt and have heirloom precision rework it once you have the required funds [emoji13]. Or a Springfield

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You would be hard pressed to beat the overall performance and curb appeal of a genuine Colt 1911.

They retain their value and people are crazy about them. I've never lost money on a Colt.

Someone always has a story about "that one Colt" that didn't measure up. But here's the thing...that same story can be told about every brand. Modern CNC machining and production standards make for better 1911s now than ever before. Even the budget priced 1911s get good reviews today.

Now, if you look at SIG's line of 1911s you will find a lot of features for the money. You will also find external extractors and some funky slide profiles and colors. I like them but a lot of folks don't and again...they don't resell like a Colt.

Rugers are a great value for the money. They also have great customer service...not a forged frame though.
 
I've owned all three brands the OP mentioned and found my Les Baer Concept to be the best in terms of reliability and accuracy.
 
I've got 2 Springfield 1911s, a Mil-Spec and Range Officer and they just plain run. Never jam, good triggers, good accuracy and for the price they can't be beat. Yep, you can spend much more on pretty but I want it to work. Springers fill the bill.
 
Your old thread you were a little more specific as to a Commander or shorter barreled 1911 but this thread you mention "Size: 4.5 up to 5". A price point of $1,500 opens a few doors and you did specify new.

Both Colt and Dan Wesson get good reviews and over many years I have seen both manufacturers turn out a less than stellar gun. I may lean a little towards Colt but onl;y because I collect the 70 Series Colt guns.

I would even consider putting a grand into the gun and then some after market work by a good reputable company (smith). There are also countless tutorials out there for the do it yourself types where no machining is required. Just a few basic tools.

I have read a few reviews where they mention that since Kahr Arms took over Auto Ordinance they put out a good gun.

Anyway any manufacturer, even the best of them, can have a not so good gun leave their facility on any given day.

I just saw where you had yet another thread mentioning a Desert Eagle. You are starting to get all over the map. Handle a few, find something you like and buy it. There are likely a few dozen manufacturers producing 1911 designs.

Ron
 
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Dan Wesson Vigil. I own both Colt and Dan Wesson, and while the Colts have the legendary name, the new ones, IMO, aren't the same as the Colts of yesteryear.

I saw someone mention Les Baer, but I doubt you'll find a new Les Baer for $1500.

Again, Dan Wesson Vigil.
 
I've never owned a Dan Wesson, but have shot a couple and drooled over a couple in stores. A very fine 1911.

I ended up with a Springfield TRP because I got it for a screaming deal, and I've been absolutely impressed with it as well.
 
Make sure you get a blued one if you go Dan Wesson, their stainless has been reported to have peening. Colt fixed this by adding more carbon to their stainless which makes it less rust resistant. Living in Arizona, I've never seen a problem with their stainless rusting even after carrying it daily.


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Ok, here's the deal. I suspect the OP does not own or hasn't owned any or at least very few 1911's up till now.

There's lot of 1911's out there. Now, price range 1000 to 1500 gets us into some pretty good guns. Colt's, Springfields, Kimber's, Sigs, Yep, Ok, Ruger's too, etc. The problem with many of the copy cat brands, is that they are mostly pretty good guns in that price range, but and this is a big "BUT", mostly the other brands deviate from the original Colt in various little and not so little ways. Some of them use external extractors "Sig", smaller firing pins "Springfield", different recoil spring assemblies (various makes), and various safeties in both the main spring Housing "Springfield" and others have firing pin safeties, different then Colt, examples: Kimber, and I think Sig at least.

This is reason enough to go with a Colt, either 4.25" Commander or 5" Government model, but not necessarily the GI model. The parts are more standard and more aftermarket parts will fit. Some of the other brands require brand specific parts in some areas.

It not that hard to find a good brand new Colt in 800 to 12 or 1300 dollar range and have money left over for better grips, and probably better magazines. And it's a Colt. Get a blued model because it's easier to find aftermarket parts that will more or less match the finish better, if that matters to you. The newer Colts are usually throated for hollowpoints, as opposed to many of the older Colts that would sometimes only feed ball ammo without modifications.

That would be my recommendation. Either a Series 80 or a few Series 70 models like the Wiley Clapp guns. I have both, and my main carry is one of my least expensive Series 80 Colts Lightweight Commander, which I only gave in the range of $700-800 for about 4 or 5 years ago. This one doesn't even have a beavertail grip safety and I am perfectly happy with that. And for the record, I own Wilson's, Kimber's, Springfields, and even a Dan Wesson. They are all pretty good guns, some are great guns, but practically all of them have been tweaked on by me or other's, mostly me.

That's the one thing about 1911's IMHO. They are kind of like Harleys. They are a mechanic's gun. And I have never bought a single one, that I was happy with until I had worked on it a little bit. But being left handed I almost always had to add an ambi-safety and the grips usually didn't suit me, and the mainspring housings usually got changed especially the ILS ones on the Springfields, and I usually removed the Swarts firing pin safety on the Kimbers and sometimes on the Colt Series 80's but not on my Series 80 carry guns, I leave them stock.

Just get a Colt, a newer one.
 
Any of the Dan Wessons, you might be able to find a Valor in your budget. You could probably find a nice Colt in a couple different models(I prefer a 70 series config).
 
Siggy-06: said:
Any of the Dan Wessons, you might be able to find a Valor in your budget. You could probably find a nice Colt in a couple different models(I prefer a 70 series config).

If the OP is spending $1,500.00 on a Dan Wesson, that will buy a decent used Valor, I bought mine used for $1,100.00 then I had it detail stripped & evaluated by the best 1911 pistolsmith in the area when I lived in PA. There was practically no wear & tear on this gun after the evaluation, but I had some trigger work done to it and this has been the best gun I own ever since then.
 
Well, I am going to catch a raft of it for this, but what I did was ...
Buy a "lowly" Metroarms American Classic II and then turned my 1911-specialist gunsmith loose on it to hand-fit and install a full compliment of Wilson Combat parts in it from barrel bushing to beavertail ... barrel bushing, hammer, trigger, sear, disconnector, mag release, recoil spring, wolff hammer spring, stainless beavertail, Ed Brown mag well and snakeskin hammer spring housing, with his most primo trigger job. For around $1500 I have a gun that I will put up against any boutique gun out there.
 
I’ve owned 50 -70 1911 pistols. Only two bought new, both original series 70. The bulk were GI issue and they were Remington Rands. I’ve never had any hi dollar customs. My best has been Gold Cups. Far as I’m concerned best combat pistol made. Unless one is engaged in competition, I can see no need for anything beyond a stock series 70. Yea , lot of the customs are pretty but I ain’t buying one for a beauty contest.
 
Jimku: said:
Buy a "lowly" Metroarms American Classic II and then turned my 1911-specialist gunsmith loose on it to hand-fit and install a full compliment of Wilson Combat parts in it from barrel bushing to beavertail ... barrel bushing, hammer, trigger, sear, disconnector, mag release, recoil spring, wolff hammer spring, stainless beavertail, Ed Brown mag well and snakeskin hammer spring housing, with his most primo trigger job. For around $1500 I have a gun that I will put up against any boutique gun out there.

Replace “lowly Metroarms American Classic II” with “Springfield Armory Mil-Spec”. Replace “Wilson” with “EGW” for the barrel bushing, and most of the rest of the parts mentioned. Then add about $72 bucks to your bottom line to account for the price difference in the base guns, well worth it for the quality of the slide/frame. Then re-do the math for the cost of parts and labor, you’re at or around $2K all in for the finished gun you describe. But I’ve seen and shot a few of these and you want a few of these!
 
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