Actually I'll bet all the guns in my safe that the Obama administration will not even address gun control or ammo bans or ammo taxes ect ect until reelection. If he makes it to a second term then all bets are off. Look back to the Clinton Administration. He waited until his second term because he knew that it would be the death to the democratic congress and it was, they lost like 40 seats over it. Right now polls show that a majority of the public is against any more gun control so the current administration would have an uphill battle that would cost them dearly.
The ammo "bubble"
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That is incorrect. Clinton was elected in 1992 and reelected in 1996. The AWB was enacted in 1994. The Clinton administration was surprised when later that year the Democrats lost the house due to AWB backlash. Had Clinton and the Democrats kept out of America's gun cabinets they probably wouldn't have lost the House halfway through his first term and the Senate halfway through his second term.
Obama is relatively new, having been elected to the Senate in 2004. He's from a political environment where draconian gun control is the norm (i.e., he unconsciously thinks all voters are OK with Chicago style gun laws). He also lacks the direct experience with the issue that the older and more experienced Democrats have. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi would LOVE to pass an AWB this very minute. OTOH, she remembers going from the majority to the minority party in the House too and she's not in love with that idea at all.
FISHNFRANK
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glad I got everyone fired up
Now relax....take a deep breath
Quit buying so much ammo - I guarantee it will be out there, aplently, at lower prices 6-12 months than it is now.
Frank
Now relax....take a deep breath
Quit buying so much ammo - I guarantee it will be out there, aplently, at lower prices 6-12 months than it is now.
Frank
UtahHunting
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He may eventually get the the .38 special, but he needs to take care of the .22 LR bulk packs first!
Will the supply eventually catch up to demand? I think it will. How soon will it happen? I don't know two or three months at a minimum.
If someone has a 9mm pistol and wants to stock up why not? 9mm, although not as cheap as it was a few years ago is a pretty good Walmart bargain at $9/50. If someone buys 1000 rounds that is only $180. $180 isn't breaking most people.
I've purchased thousands of rounds of ammo during this shortage. I've sold some and keep some. I'm not going broke if the supply catches up because I didn't pay an outlandish amount of money for ammo. If tomorrow comes and ammo is $.01 /round and everyone has it I'm not going broke because I bought within my means. If tomorrow comes and ammo is the same price as it was today, the more likely scenario, then I guess I broke even. If tomorrow comes and ammo is $50/round I was prepared.
If someone has a 9mm pistol and wants to stock up why not? 9mm, although not as cheap as it was a few years ago is a pretty good Walmart bargain at $9/50. If someone buys 1000 rounds that is only $180. $180 isn't breaking most people.
I've purchased thousands of rounds of ammo during this shortage. I've sold some and keep some. I'm not going broke if the supply catches up because I didn't pay an outlandish amount of money for ammo. If tomorrow comes and ammo is $.01 /round and everyone has it I'm not going broke because I bought within my means. If tomorrow comes and ammo is the same price as it was today, the more likely scenario, then I guess I broke even. If tomorrow comes and ammo is $50/round I was prepared.
Are you freaking serious? Our savior?! Obama is a democrat. All parties have a specific platform on issues and prior to any election they submit a lengthy document detailing their stance and plans for all issues present and future. I read both the party platform documents for republican and democrat. You should be able to google it for your own reading. In the documentation it clearly states it supports the re-installment of the assault weapons ban in addition to lots more vague gun control laws. Read it for yourself, the democratic party, to include Obama want more restrictions on guns.
Okay buddy, step back!
Don't you know sarcasm when it bights you in the butt?
TBS, things are looking up. Finally my Walmart in Vegas has a 6 box limit, so you can't buy "case's" at a time anymore. Even though I did buy two case's (WWB 9MM) last week, just behind a guy buying ten case's of WWB 9mm, I'm rather happy they did that finally.
Maybe they can keep some ammo in stock someday. As far as 22lr Bricks? I think they should put a limit of one or two.
I am not entirely sure Piper was being sarcastic. It would be more appropriate if the poster signaled sarcasm, its not obvious to me as he made similar comments twice. I am not getting upset, I was just rather shocked that when I read "Obama is our savior" talk. That just seems a little over the top, but oh well.
johnwilliamson062
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No. Raise the tax on it, yes. Probably not to 500%, but to 40-50%, sure. What a great revenue stream that would not affect 90+% of the country(how many hunters would really care if the two boxes of slugs they deer hunt with cost $15 instead of ten. Most don't realize there is an excise tax on it to begin with.
Yeah, but when I can buy a three year supply of 22lr for $200, why wouldn't I to be sure? At most I am going to lose the $70 markup. At the very least I know I have all I need for small game hunting and practice for some time. I don't exactly wipe my ass with $100 bills, but I am not going to go miss a meal b/c I bought bricks of 22lr at inflated prices. I would rather take an almost certain loss on a few bricks of 22lr than have a small chance that i will be sitting here in a year with none.
Maybe you don't have access to distributor pricing. I have only been paying attention to what I shoot but it seems not to have raised much at all. The real problem is retailers not raising the price in my opinion. If I could go into a store and buy one box of Federal Champion 22lr for $25 I would feel a lot better than having to go to meet someone in another city who bought out the whole store a week ago and is selling it at even more inflated prices. THe whole FTF system is inefficient as hell when we are talking about boxes of ammo. I would like to see retailers raise prices high enough that they at least keep SOMETHING on the shelf.
Well, I think you are right. I think it will take longer than 6 months for sure though. Unless of course, the economy in general really tanks, which is a possibility. Most people are hoarding a multi-year supply which they are going to hold onto as a buffer even after things start to cool down and they will likely slowly shoot it down, not sell it outright.
I can now shoot 762X25 cheaper than 22lr
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Alot of moderate democrats, even gun owners, are against any ban on guns but support regulation of them and ammo. It still breaks the spirit of the second amendment. If the government ever does become fascist (we're leaning in that direction but not quiet there yet) or oppresive then how are we to over-throw it with our alloted 100 rounds of 9mm and 5.56?
Yes, I'm actually being serious. I didn't say I want a revolution right now, or that one is coming... just that the purpose of the second amendment is so that we may have the means necessary to do so should the need arise.
I try to be fairly moderate so I'm not too hard on Obama yet (other than the massive debt we're being enslaved to), but you can bet that he (along with the rest of the far left) will try to come up with a way to inflict damage on our gun ownership rights without commiting the political suicide that resulted from the AWB. They won't ban anything because they know they'll be replaced... but they certainly can make it harder for some of us who don't have tons of money to shoot as much as we would like. Read into the coded ammunition bills that have been presented before some states. It's only a matter of time before a US congressman get's paid enough by the manufacturer of the coded ammo to try and present it as a bill. Scarily, I can see this congress passing it and the president signing it. Just the logistics of keeping track of serial numbers in that scenario would raise ammo prices at least 20% above what it is now. Not to mention that opens the door for the government to track how much ammo you buy, or even to regulate how much you can buy.
Now with that being said, I don't think we need to buy like the sky is falling. We have time and we're only shooting ourselves in the foot to create such a "bubble". I'm doing the slow accumalation thing. Cabelos still has alot of ammo, I'd recommend you check it out there.
Yes, I'm actually being serious. I didn't say I want a revolution right now, or that one is coming... just that the purpose of the second amendment is so that we may have the means necessary to do so should the need arise.
I try to be fairly moderate so I'm not too hard on Obama yet (other than the massive debt we're being enslaved to), but you can bet that he (along with the rest of the far left) will try to come up with a way to inflict damage on our gun ownership rights without commiting the political suicide that resulted from the AWB. They won't ban anything because they know they'll be replaced... but they certainly can make it harder for some of us who don't have tons of money to shoot as much as we would like. Read into the coded ammunition bills that have been presented before some states. It's only a matter of time before a US congressman get's paid enough by the manufacturer of the coded ammo to try and present it as a bill. Scarily, I can see this congress passing it and the president signing it. Just the logistics of keeping track of serial numbers in that scenario would raise ammo prices at least 20% above what it is now. Not to mention that opens the door for the government to track how much ammo you buy, or even to regulate how much you can buy.
Now with that being said, I don't think we need to buy like the sky is falling. We have time and we're only shooting ourselves in the foot to create such a "bubble". I'm doing the slow accumalation thing. Cabelos still has alot of ammo, I'd recommend you check it out there.
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I agree with the original poster. It is a bubble and there is no logical reason for people to be this worried. It would make more sense to start hording hi-cap mags and some of these so called assault rifles, lol.
I have bought most of my current supply of ammo at discount prices by just watching for the good sales, all the while laughing at the people who don't have the sense to shop around.
I have bought most of my current supply of ammo at discount prices by just watching for the good sales, all the while laughing at the people who don't have the sense to shop around.
Average Joe
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The ammo bubble will burst, and lots of people will be stuck with over priced ammo they wish they never bought.
PoorSoulInJersey
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Only if they saw it investment. If they bought it to use it, then it's like anything else you buy so you can use it.
If it means going shooting or not going shooting, then that $15 box of .223 still let me enjoy my afternoon at the range.
Ammo Bubble
Just a prediction: This is a temporary bubble in ammo availability and prices. If you want to speculate and run out to buy a few cases at exorbitant prices, be my guest. In the mean time, the rest of us are going to scale back a bit on our recreational shooting and wait until the prices come down. It was the same thing with real estate recently (and Dutch tulip bulbs a few hundred years ago!) Rational thinkers can still go to WalMart or Dicks or other favorite retail shop and get a few boxes on sale, (when they are in stock) and watch the idiots run amok.
Those who are really concerned should write their Congressman, Senators and our President. They all want to be re-elected, and your voices will be heard. (Yes, I said "our" President. I am a grumpy, old Viet Nam veteran. I took a solemn oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, and so did our President! Let's all remind our elected officials that the Constitution included the Second Amendment!)
Just a prediction: This is a temporary bubble in ammo availability and prices. If you want to speculate and run out to buy a few cases at exorbitant prices, be my guest. In the mean time, the rest of us are going to scale back a bit on our recreational shooting and wait until the prices come down. It was the same thing with real estate recently (and Dutch tulip bulbs a few hundred years ago!) Rational thinkers can still go to WalMart or Dicks or other favorite retail shop and get a few boxes on sale, (when they are in stock) and watch the idiots run amok.
Those who are really concerned should write their Congressman, Senators and our President. They all want to be re-elected, and your voices will be heard. (Yes, I said "our" President. I am a grumpy, old Viet Nam veteran. I took a solemn oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, and so did our President! Let's all remind our elected officials that the Constitution included the Second Amendment!)
eddiejoe333
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I went to my local shop and bought a box of .357FMJ Fiocchi ammo @ $25.00 for 50 rounds. I think this is fairly reasonable, but I don't follow ammo prices that closely. It seemed as though they had enough on the shelf that I could have bought more, but this is more than I will shoot in the next month or so, the logistics of shooting in my area being what they are.
My point? I refuse to add to the bubble.
Majortoo, thank you, and all vets, for your service, but I must disagree on one part of your post: Our voices are not being heard by those in power. I'm not a conspiracy-theorist, but power doesn't rest solely in the hands of our elected officials. The media has enormous power, and they use it to our disadvantage. BTW, I did write my Congressman about three separate bills, and one in the Senate, and he did respond....about one of them.
My point? I refuse to add to the bubble.
Majortoo, thank you, and all vets, for your service, but I must disagree on one part of your post: Our voices are not being heard by those in power. I'm not a conspiracy-theorist, but power doesn't rest solely in the hands of our elected officials. The media has enormous power, and they use it to our disadvantage. BTW, I did write my Congressman about three separate bills, and one in the Senate, and he did respond....about one of them.
christcorp
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I just received an email from Natchez where I buy a lot of ammo. They were out on april 8th of some of the 32 auto ammo I wanted. (Specific brands). Then took my email address. Today; about 2 hours ago; I got an email that both of the brands of ammo I was wanted is in stock if I wanted to order it. I went online (Didn't show any available). Looked at the email and clicked on the link they provided. Showed it in stock. Ordered 10 boxes. 5 boxes of each. $12.99 a box of 50. With shipping and handling, $15.50 a box. Would have been cheaper if I ordered more, but I just don't need that much more. This is specific brand that I'm not able to get in retail stores so I order it anyway every 6 months. So, it looks like some of them are starting to get re-supplied. later.... mike.....