Terrorist's lawyers

Sounds like I hit a pretty good nerve with alot of people on this subject.

My original post had nothing to do with the 2nd amendment, the BATFE or U.S. Citizens being persecuted by officer friendly or the government. I simply didn't feel like the Defense Department Official should have to apologize for his statements. I don't feel that he was against people being defended but feel the comment was more about attorneys from the U.S. defending these people for free.
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Yes it does. The second amendment is targeted by the BATFE using the exact same logic you are. The DOD official needs to apologize because the government should never be allowed to suggest that those who perform perfectly legal acts ought to be penalized because of his opinion.
Weather I'm right or wrong, my own opinion is that terrorist or terrorism suspects from other countries should not be afforded those very rights that they are trying to destroy or take from us.
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I like how you threw in suspects. So people who have done absolutely nothing wrong should not be afforded protections because they are simply "suspected" of terrorism. Thankfully we live in America where this line of thought is protected against by the document that frames our country.
 
I am talking about people who try to blow up planes, destroy building, kill people. Not people who are stopped for speeding or for having legal guns.
 
No, you're talking about people how have simply been accused of trying to do all those things. There is a very significant difference.
 
Anvil:

Read the word carefully: ALLEGED.

Look it up.

How about if you post your name and address here. Then I'll call Homeland Security and ALLEGE that you are a terrorist.

You can then decide whether you deserve a lawyer or not.

Is that simply enough put?
 
Nor have a lot of people at Gitmo. They're simply "suspected" of having ties to terrorist organizations. Just like you can be "suspected" if you happen to pray to Mecca or have dark skin or have a middle eastern name.
 
I never brought race or religion into this deal at all.
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But many of those accused and detained are there solely because of their race or religion. Because their name is similar to a guy on a watch list, because someone in their family may have gone to a mosque where known terrorists are known to hang out.

That's why we have the concept of due process and fair trials. To prevent innocent people from being punished for crimes they have not commited.
 
Wow, started reading this thread and had to join so I could get in on it. What I read from the guy who wrote the first post sounded like a guy who, like me, is tired of people appoligizing for being AMERICAN and who detest those ignorant, backward, centuries-behind-the world people who blame the US because...well, because that's the thing to do. To me, it sounds like some guy with the Defense Department was basically saying that he feels like it's wrong for a lawyer from this country defending a terrorist, who is trying to destroy this country and what it stands for. I don't get this either. These terrorsit organizations get funneled millions (billions) of dollars to purchase weapons and explosives, but they don't spend a dime for the defense of those that are detained for their cause. Hmmm...fight for a group like that, maybe you should think twice before saying "I'm in!"

Then I read several people hammer this guy for the issues that THEY want to bring into it. My gosh, he hasn't said anything about race or religion...you other guys brough that into it. I DO like the U.S. government, I am proud of our law enforcement and am thankful everyday for those men and women who perform those duties with honor everyday, I Do like President Bush (not saying I agree with everything he does, mind ya'), I am not happy about the democrats regaining of power, but am proud that we have a system that allowed them to do so...overnight...without a shot fired or a person killed - amazing! I am not paranoid that the BATF is about to kick in my door or that somebody at the FBI is reading my post right now.


Its strange that if you look down through history at terrorism. The nations that fight it usually take a walk down the repression of rights lane.
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I'm sorry, guess I'm not up on my terrorism history as much as others. Which other nations might that be? Our country is still run by our own people and there was no HUGE call for change because the democrats regained control (it's a close count - that implies to me that the people wanted the power more balanced). I do enjoy history though. Maybe some should read more about Abraham Lincoln and look at the opposition about the war he led - he's now considered a civil rights hero! But, what did he expect being a Republican (the first).

Some of you folks could stand to chill on this guy a little...try coming down from that tower on Paranoid Pointe.
 
Due process is a corner stone of our Democracy. Once you give .gov the priviledge of deciding who gets due process you are on the slippery slope.

I would be ashamed as an American to know that Iraq gave Sadam more due process than we are giving alleged terrorists. We say loudly we are bringing Democracy to the rest of the world. If we dont practice democracy for everyone then we are not much better that the terrorists who attacked us.

To me, it sounds like some guy with the Defense Department was basically saying that he feels like it's wrong for a lawyer from this country defending a terrorist, who is trying to destroy this country and what it stands for.
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Which is ok if he does it own his time. If he represents himself as a DoD official with that opinion he is in the wrong. When you work for .gov you are representing the "official " position even though you may not agree with it. However, to make a remark that implies that these folks dont deserve due process pretty much amounts to an endorsment of vigilante type justice. Dont let the truth stand in the way of hanging a man.
 
Eghad, I completely agree with your last post...
Due process is a corner stone of our Democracy. Once you give .gov the priviledge of deciding who gets due process you are on the slippery slope.
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But, I don't think that the original posting was about that at all. Nor do I think he was talking about most of what people were bringing up. I got the idea that this guy is tired of US apologizing to THEM. And sorry, when those lawyer's take up the side of the terrorists, they have put themselves in the THEM camp.
 
I'm sorry, guess I'm not up on my terrorism history as much as others. Which other nations might that be?
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How about Canada our fellow bastion of liberty to the north. :eek: When the Quebec sepratists were doing stuff they passed something similiar to our Patriot Act. It provided for warentless searches and other things. It basically aloowed the canadian Government to deprive its citizens of their rights.

Shocker aint it?

How about some of our neighbors in South America who were threatened by terrorism which resulted in military coups that deprived them of all their rights and in one situation the citizens had to register with the military forces so it would make it easier to pick them up for torture and interrogation. :eek:
 
I gave up on the topic of my original post. It's been stretched completely out of context.

I think I'm gonna just go out and watch for black helicopters.
 
I got the idea that this guy is tired of US apologizing to THEM. And sorry, when those lawyer's take up the side of the terrorists, they have put themselves in the THEM camp.
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Which I have no problem with him doing over some beers with the guys. The problem I have with it is that the folks we are trying to win the minds and hearts of also are hearing a "senior goverment official" basically saying lets lynch them with out a trial. This same guy is probably news on Al-Jezzera.
Which means that folks who were not our enemy before may be now because they view us as hypocrites. Which mean our troops now have more problems.
Or as my dad used to say, "dont write a check with your mouth that you can't afford to cash.
 
Hey Anvil, you must live somewhere close to me...those helicopters just passed over my house. Then a few minutes later, several black vans drove by in front of my house...wait they stopped...
 
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