Terrorists 101

GoSlash27

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This is my attempt to clear up some misconceptions about the enemy we face in our global war against terror. Why bother? 2 reasons: #1 Know thy enemy. If you don't understand what makes your opponent tick, you will not defeat him.
#2 This lack of understanding has led to bad policy. This, in turn, has led to unnecessary and divisive political arguments in our country.

First, some light reading:
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/frd.html
http://www.terrorism-research.com/insurgency/
http://www.gurus.com/dougdeb/politics/TS101.html
http://www.gurus.com/dougdeb/politics/Needham.html
And to back it all up, your enemy, in his own words:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6537.htm

So what is it that drives our enemy?
First, lose some misperceptions. Your enemy is not crazy. Your enemy is not stupid. They have proven capable of launching complex coordinated attacks.
Most importantly, they do not think in the same manner as us. This means that you cannot describe their motivations in the same context as ours.

The two most important factors in the creation of terrorists are their society and their religion. They view us through the same distorted lens we view them because of these differences.

Difference #1: They do not believe in separation of church and state and they have no history of separation of church and state. When they hear Falwell or Dobson speak, they do not believe us when we tell them that these 'clerics' are not really in charge. When our elected leader says that he 'consults with a higher father' on military affairs we may shrug it off, but they do not. When our elected leader describes the war on terror as a "crusade" they do not dismiss it as a grammatical error. They believe that our religion guides our government because that's how their government works.

Difference #2: Their religion condones 'jihad' and ours does not. It has been argued that the bible does actually condone holy war, but it is not interpreted by the mainstream that way. Mainstream Islam *does* interpret it that way. But before you jump on Islam as an evil religion, bear in mind that 'jihad' is only supported in defense of Islam itself. This distinction becomes important later.

Most Muslims believe that it is their duty to their God to defend Islam with their lives. They only become violent when they believe that Islam is under attack. There may be any number of things in society that they disapprove of (just as the devoutly religious in our own society), but you have never heard of them declaring holy war on McDonald's or sunbathers. This is a very important distinction.
What makes terrorism so dangerous is that the world is full of potential terrorists. They are motivated in a way that only religion can produce. They do not worry about winning, only fighting. They cannot become discouraged or demoralized. They have no qualms whatsoever about dying and killing for what they believe in.
All they need is to be set on the course of holy war. Once they have begun, there is no stopping them until they are dead. This is the only task that AlQaeda has. Convince the average Arab on the street that their very faith is under attack and that's really all it takes.

Some trash to be taken out:
"They hate us because of our freedom"
They don't give a rat's ass about our freedom and never have. They fight us because they perceive us as invaders who wish to destroy their religion, kill their families, and occupy their land.

"Dissent emboldens the enemy"
Not possible. You don't get much bolder than willing to die. Dissent in Washington has no effect on these people. They will not waver from their task so long as they believe it's just.

"We fight them there so that we don't have to fight them here"
Fighting them there merely reinforces the notion that they are under attack as a people. IOW invading Iraq was the most counterproductive thing we could have done.

"The terrorists are on the verge of defeat"
Again, not possible. At least not this way. The only possible way to defeat these people is to convince the general population that Islam itself is not under attack.

"Killing or capturing the senior leadership will cripple the terrorists"
Not true. These networks are highly decentralized and fluid. 3 more fighters will rise through the ranks before the slain leader's body has had time to cool.

"We will win this war by killing terrorists/ insurgents"
Nope. We will only win this war by stemming the creation of terrorists. There is not a finite supply of terrorists in the world, so it's simply not possible to kill them all. And as above, killing "enough" terrorists has no deterrent effect on potential terrorists. Think about it: These people are expecting to die. You really think they're gonna be scared off for fear that they will?

Terrorists are beaten only by being marginalized by their own population. These people, like any other, will not fight for a cause they don't believe in. In order to accomplish this, you must first stop marginalizing yourself.
This is NOT a holy war on our part. We are NOT out to exterminate Arabs. We are NOT out to overthrow Islam. Knock it off with the secret prisons and torture. Get the American forces out of Baghdad. The symbology just plain plays bad. Iraqi forces only within the city. American forces must refocus our efforts on intel gathering and interdiction. We must don the mantle of protectors instead of occupiers.
If we don't, we'll lose this war.

Second, we must let the terrorists lose their own war while we work with the clerics to alienate them. Despite all our technology and weapons, this war will be decided by the people of Iraq. We want them on our side.




I apologise for the rambling post. I hope this has helped you have a clearer understanding of what you're up against.
 
go: I did not get to read up on the links you posted yet, but I will eventually.
your article is interesting, I will give it some thought. this statement though.

Most Muslims believe that it is their duty to their God to defend Islam with their lives.

that is a pretty bold statement. you do realize how many muslims there are in the world right? Most of them do not take the jihad stance. I mean the fact of the matter is, if that were true would muslim countries(not that many) have supported dessert shield/storm, and the invasion of iraq? why have they not rose up against us if they all take this hard line stance.
 
If they are all so willing to die, why did bin laden not fly a plane into a building? why is zarqawi not driving a carload of tnt around? Why are they hiding? So whats the answer surrender? beg them not to kill anymore of us? What do we do. Apparently they will hate us no matter what we do.
 
noone,
Yeah, it is a pretty bold statement. Understand that the 'sixth pillar' is only condoned in defense of their land, religion, and people. They only begin down this path when they are convinced Islam is under attack.
There was no uprising during DS because we handled the problem with more smarts; effectively repulsing a Godless invader from Muslim lands and then going home. We did not act in a threatening manner against Islam.

Ruger,
Q#1 because they see a larger role for themselves: Robin Hood. They know that they do more for their cause by leading. They know that they will be captured or killed someday. They also know that their martyrdom will only advance their cause.
Q#2 I answered that question in my original post. We do not have to surrender. We merely have to fight smarter. And if we're going to refuse to play to win, we shouldn't be there.
 
Interesting references and summary. However, I disagree with two conclusions:
"Dissent emboldens the enemy"
Not possible. You don't get much bolder than willing to die. Dissent in Washington has no effect on these people. They will not waver from their task so long as they believe it's just.
I think you are correct about the ones who have already "gone over" to the dark side. But I believe that dissent does provide propaganda fodder for the radicals to attract new recruits.

"We fight them there so that we don't have to fight them here"
Fighting them there merely reinforces the notion that they are under attack as a people. IOW invading Iraq was the most counterproductive thing we could have done.
This is the $64,000 question - how to pursue the long-term strategy of winning over the vast majority of Muslims while satisfying the immediate need to protect America. I believe that moving the war away from America was right, although I realize it PO'ed a lot of Muslims and we will have to work that much harder and longer to change their opinions.
 
goslash: thank you very much for the above links. I have heard the same stuff in differnet sources, but I will save these. To anyone else who is going to read them I second starting from the bottom.
 
gc,
I believe that dissent does provide propaganda fodder for the radicals to attract new recruits.
Au contraire :)
In accordance with the mindset outlined above, it becomes evident that such talk in Washington actually hinders recruitment attempts for the bad guys.
They only get recruited if they are convinced Islam is in danger. If they have doubt that it is so (such as doubt that the Americans are willing to fight the long battle) then they'd much rather wait us out and go on with their lives.
 
GoSlash27,

Valid point, although I think it depends on what the radicals are marketing as the "danger" to Islam.
 
Breacher,
Just an interested party in military matters and geopolitics. I have a habit of studying potential enemies to death.
BTW, all of this info and alot more is available on the 'net (God how I love the 'net) to anyone who's interested.
I also recommend any books on the subject from ex-CIA and DIA people. There are alot.
 
GoSlash27, you have some interesting points, but also a lot of misconceptions as well.

First, you are assuming that the only terroristic threat to 'us' is posed by Arab Muslims and that the two most important factors in the creation of terrorists are their society and their religion.

Well of course we are not out to just kill Arabs. In fact, many of the terrorists we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are not Arabs at all. The following is a list of Arabian countries. Note that it does not include Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, etc., but there are many from those countries fighting on behalf of religious beliefs.
* Algeria
* Bahrain
* Egypt
* Iraq
* Jordan
* Kuwait
* Lebanon
* Libya
* Mauritania
* Morocco
* Oman
* Palestine
* Qatar
* Saudi Arabia
* Sudan
* Syria
* Tunisia
* United Arab Emirates
* Western Sahara
* Yemen

You note that their religion condones jihad and ours does not. Apparently you are assuming that "our" religion is a singular religion here in the US. Our religion does not condone jihad, but this is a semantic matter. Our does not condone jihad, but only because 'jihad' isn't a Christian concept. Christianity, however, does appear to condone holy wars on behalf of Christianity as supported in the Bible in several places. Here are a few...

In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshipping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God. (Deut.20:16-18).
- When the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally (according to the law of anathema). Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. (Deut.7:2-5, 2:34, Num.25:1-5, 31:14-17, Ex.23:33, Joshua 6:17, 8:26)


Funny, you claim that the mainstream of those interpreting the Bible don't interpret such passages as justifying holy wars, and yet mainstream believers have waged holy wars against non-Christians since as early as the 1100s.

Do understand that Christians are not above terrorism, nor is the USA. It may not be condoned verbally, but it is performed in reality. How so? What is the definition of terrorism?

Terrorism is defined by the U.S. Department of Defense as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives. The US did this as early as the 1800s when small pox laden gives were given to Native Americans, essentially being the first or one of the first records of intentional "germ warfare." We did it in WWI and WWII where civilian targets were attacked to break the will of the people who supported the German military and government. We even did it in Somalia on behalf of the UN.

Note that with the above definition, the US has suffered multiple domestic terrorist acts over the years, not performed by Muslims. You have folks like McVay (sp?), eco terrorists, animal rights terrorists, abortion terrorists, etc. all working here in the US.

You are most definitely right in that we are not being attacked because of our freedom, that fighting them overseas will keep us safe from having to fight them here, that they are on the verge of defeat, and that by killing individuals or their leadership will be the downfall or defeat of the terrorists. Short of genocide, you can't defeat resentment, cultural beliefs, religious beliefs, etc. No doubt it would be hard to defeat terrorists who believe they are in a jihad holy war against us when our troops are fighting them because it is their job. Terroristics are highly motivated.
 
You are most definitely right in that we are not being attacked because of our freedom, that fighting them overseas will keep us safe from having to fight them here,

actually if you believe OBL if we werent fighting them overseas he would have no problem with us. so not fighting them overseas would keep us from fightingthem here. :D
 
DNS: the link in your sig is sweet.

this site has some good stuff sometimes.

edit: sorry wrong link.

I have more links on my favorites but my other comp is down. :mad:

lots of good info on the net, also lot of good books coming out on the subject lately.
 
Thanks GoSlash

That's some of the most well thought out and sensible things I've seen written on this forum. It's bipartisan and factual and most significantly, free of pro-Bush rah rah!
 
DNS,
Perhaps you've misunderstood some of the points I've made above.
you are assuming that the only terroristic threat to 'us' is posed by Arab Muslims
Not at all. The threat posed to us is terrorists.

Well of course we are not out to just kill Arabs.
We are embroiled in 2 separate wars; the war against terrorism and the war in Iraq. Our aim in Iraq is to create a strong and stable country, not to kill Arabs. Our goal in the war against terror is to defeat terrorism, not kill terrorists. As I said above, it is not possible to win the war by body count.

Apparently you are assuming that "our" religion is a singular religion here in the US.
Not at all. In fact I'm not a member myself. But we do have one 'most popular' religion and it has shaped our society as a whole.

AFA the 'jihad' thing, point in fact jihad and crusade are actually the same word. Not the point. When I say 'condoned by the religion' I mean as practiced and understood by the mainstream. And as I said above, this does not in any way make the Muslims evil. We all have things that we are personally willing to fight and die for in order to protect. Our country, our family, etc. We are not willing to die to protect Christianity because we have no holy lands or religious center to protect. They do and that's what makes it different. Just as you would not fight to protect your children without a perceived threat, so it is with them.

Do understand that Christians are not above terrorism, nor is the USA.
Exactly, which is why so many Americans prefer to not try to understand the terrorists, why we prefer to think of them as crazy. We don't like to see the reflection of ourselves through their eyes. Our country has a long and distinguished history of practicing terrorism and alot of us don't like that.

You are right.....that fighting them overseas will keep us safe from having to fight them here, that they are on the verge of defeat, and that by killing individuals or their leadership will be the downfall or defeat of the terrorists.
I am actually debunking these myths, but it seems you understood that by your response after this.

Best,
John
 
noone,
actually if you believe OBL if we werent fighting them overseas he would have no problem with us. so not fighting them overseas would keep us from fightingthem here.
Do you have any reason to doubt his sincerity? Unfortunately, we cannot do that, and merely calling the Iraq war quits will not end the perceived threat that keeps him going and stocked with fresh recruits.
Not only would we have to get our tanks out of Baghdad, we would have to pull all of our forces out of the ME, hand it all over to him, and stop supporting Israel in order to appease him.
Fortunately, we don't have to appease him in order to win. We only have to negate the threat to Islam as perceived by the average Muslim on the street.
 
For those of us who zero in on Islam let's keep in mind Ireland, home to two Christian terrorist factions, Catholic and Protestant.
 
Your first reference has some good basic background material but is a bit dated. Was done in 1999

The terrorists may come from different countries but they all share Islam and a desire to return to the caliphate and a fundamentalist Islamic state. I would say that this is a tad more than defending Islam.
The first step to initiating a war with non beleivers is to warn them...Bin Laden has done so. I guess the best defense is a good offense?

See you didnt list the Al Qaeda Training Manual.

UK/BM-3 TRANSLATION
[E] 19/220
In the name of Allah, the merciful and compassionate
PRESENTATION
To those champions who avowed the truth day and night......Andwrote with their blood and sufferings these phrases...
-*-The confrontation that we are calling for with the apostateregimes does not know Socratic debates...,Platonic ideals..., nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing, and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine-gun.
***... Islamic governments have never and will never be established through peaceful solutions and cooperative councils. They are established as they [always] have been by pen and gun
by word and bullet by tongue and teeth


The clear mission of Al Qeada

Missions Required of the Military Organization:

The main mission for which the Military Organization is
responsible is: The overthrow of the godless regimes and their replacement with
an Islamic regime.


kind of Ironic that Bin Laden recognizes the need for a concise and clear mission statement, while our own government has none for Iraq.
 
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