Tempering Emotion with Reason

To DasBoot...

I wasn't trying to say that terrorism is to be forgivable, I'm saying that negative factors can push the odds of someone to go blow themselves up. And yes, sad as it is some people resort to blowing themselves up when life doesn't go their way. I'll bet you anything it's because they come from a background of little to no education and so their only "solution" is the use of violence all the time. As for our own home grown terrorists such as Timothy McVeigh I believe he once stated that his act was done in revenge for the Branch Davidians and the Waco incident and the incident at Ruby Ridge. Let's not for get Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber the man was ingenius in his use of explosives. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_terrorists
Here's a list of American terrorists if you'd like to check it out. As for why you probably haven't seen anti-terror rallies, I can probably provide three reasons that I know of. First off, many mosques run independently and groups are often of local associations only. Second, strong leadership has yet to be found for a national group or at least strong enough to gain national attention that represent Muslim Americans recognized not just by Muslims, but by non-Muslims as well. As for Muslim leaders elsewhere around the world denouncing terrorism, you probably don't hear it because the news might not report it or the fact that it's not like some HUGE sweeping rally that garners media attention.
Put a Moslem in a bad light on a TV show (24hrs), and the Moslem Council on American Relations, or whatever it's called, is in the news THE NEXT DAY complaining about the horrendous affront to their character and religion.
Where are the Moslem anti-terrorist demonstrations at the UN, or in the Moslem communities around the country/world?
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It's probably because they're already forced under such a negative stigma, besides Christians in this country complain about all sorts of things that don't even pertain to their religion/shouldn't be their business if that's how a non-Christian feels about living their life. (ie: Pokemon are evil, homosexuality is a sin, music needs censored lyrics, etc.) However, I'm sure anyone of ANY religion will take offense when their religion is depicted negatively.

Epyon

EDIT: http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/ try checking this link out.
 
Epy,
Thanks for your reply.
As for our own home grown terrorists such as Timothy McVeigh I believe he once stated that his act was done in revenge for the Branch Davidians and the Waco incident and the incident at Ruby Ridge. Let's not for get Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber the man was ingenius in his use of explosives. http
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I never said we didn't have homegrown terrorists.
The difference is OUR terrorists weren't part of a specific group that would cause the general public to label ALL members of that group "terrorists".
Nor did they use the teachings of the Bible as a basis for their actions.
Hence the reason "good" Moslems are sometimes on the receiving end of unjust treatment.
It's just ignorance, but can you blame people for being uneasy about the Moslem community in general when there is case after case of terrorists actively recruiting in their mosque and Imams(spelling?) preaching anti-West rhetoric.

However, I'm sure anyone of ANY religion will take offense when their religion is depicted negatively
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THAT"S EXACTLY MY POINT!!!
Who is portraying the Moslem religion MORE negatively the the terrorists!!!
Where is the Moslem outrage over THAT???

As for your response..
First off, many mosques run independently and groups are often of local associations only. Second, strong leadership has yet to be found for a national group or at least strong enough to gain national attention that represent Muslim Americans recognized not just by Muslims, but by non-Muslims as well. As for Muslim leaders elsewhere around the world denouncing terrorism, you probably don't hear it because the news might not report it or the fact that it's not like some HUGE sweeping rally that garners media attention.
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These sound more like petty excuses especially in light of current world events!

I think these folks better get off their butts and do SOMETHING to show not only the bad guys but the rest of the non-Moslem world they they do , in fact, find these terrorist actions indefensible!
You mean to tell me the leaders of American mosques are incapable of organizing, at least to the extent that they put out a joint message of condemnation and repudiation regarding terrorist activities?:confused:

They can create a healthy Moslem community, build a mosque and get participants by the thousands, but they can't pull it together enough to get the word out that they not only denounce terrorism, but will actively participate in rooting out terrorist activities in their own communities!!:confused:
The terrorists, for the most part, can only hide WITHIN their own communities.
Call me cynical, but when new faces arrive in the neighborhood, or there are suspicious comings and goings by those amongst them, NOBODY has the sense to say something or call the authorities!
No Moslem "street smarts"?

I commend the the Pakistani Moslem that brought the British terrorist plot to the attention of authorities.
God (who or whatever God is to you) bless him!
But that's one pretty lonely Moslem voice in a sea of Moslem silence.
AND THEY'RE KILLING FELLOW MOSLEMS BY THE HUNDREDS!!!!

I'm not getting on you man!
But from where I stand, if the majority of any group doesn't stand up to a murderous minority,ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER NATIONS THAT THAT ARE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR YOU, I can only assume that they are complicit in the activities of the minority.

Their silence speaks volumes.:mad:
 
"constructed for the masses of nascar couchdwellers with flags hanging in shreds off of their cars since 9/11 "

Talk about holier than thou. Come on down out of your ivory tower.

John...who can't stand NASCAR
 
DasBoot I completely understand where you're coming from...

I really do, your statements are totally valid as for being suspcious about the silence. To be honest with you, I really don't have any answer as to why the Muslims wouldn't rally together to spread the word and state that they don't support terrorism, and actively root out extremists. However, on the other hand what about the fact that mosques all over America haven't had problems of being terrorist cells in any way shape or form? Another point I forgot to mention in my previous replay, Muslim nations are also under attack from terror cells. For example a few months back Muslim extremists bombed government buildings in my home country of Bangladesh. The authorities were all over the place like wildfire trying to find who did it. This is an example of Muslim extremists bombing a predominantly Muslim country. Do you think we want terrorism? Of course not, so we're doing our best to fight it off. Check this link out for the story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4158478.stm
To my knowledge the Bengali people haven't had to give up any freedom because of this incident or worry about their leaders passing bills that violate their constitution as well, like here in America. (If someone could correct me on that please send me the link proving otherwise.)


Epyon
 
I think the Moslem people in the US want to be quiet and not attract attention because the US public is all fired up about terrorists. If they start banding together and holding rallys etc. it's possible some Bubba or somebody will see them as a group of terrorists.
There are people in influential places that could get this idea off the ground if they would speak out. I got a feeling the Moslem people figure it's best to keep a low profile at this time.
I understand what you are saying though. Somebody should stand up for them.
Now if the news media could be turned to broadcast some good about the moslem people it would help greatly! But they won't because there's only good ratings in tragedys.
The people who are in war over there and the "terrorists" are nuts. Using civilians for shields and bombing each other without a care. Becoming human bombs.I say let them go at it till it's over,just make sure they don't come into the US,pull out our troops and when it's done, whoever's left can start a new life with different rules.These people have been fighting for ever and have gotten nowhere. We are not the ruler of the world. If other countries have problems,let them settle it amongst themselves.As long as it don't turn toward us.
That may be a bit cold hearted but one thing wrong with this country is we're always sticking our troops into other peoples wars. I don't see why we can't concentrate on becoming a self sufficient US and fixing all the problems right here in our country. So much and so many are wasted in other peoples battles.Meanwhile the moral decay and crime and crooked government are running wild right here.Just my humble opinion.
 
Most of the World has an agricultural policy designed to prevent the spread of disease. If an animal is infected then the herd is destroyed. Muslims are a diseased herd, and need to be destroyed. All of them, each and every one. No if's no buts, and no maybe. Do we have to wait 'til they inflict megadeath?
As soon as they can - they will. If anyone can't see that, they're living in La-La Land.
 
Some of you guys border on the pathological. I hope I don't see you in the news gunning down people at a mosque, which would be the logical extension of your beliefs here. What, you can say what should be done but don't have the gumption to start doing it yourself?
 
maybe they are silent because they arent used to speaking up for themselves or it is something that is just not their way of doing things per their culture..i dont know.

do we eradicate everyone that shares different beliefs just because we dont agree with how they do things because they are different?do we eradicate an entire group because some bonehead in the group decides to go on a killing spree? ...what then seperates us from those animals that kill indiscriminatly?

the antigunners have been using similiar arguments for years.you know.. ALL gunowners are at fault for crime so ban them all and no one will commit crime?come-on.

I used to think the amish were backwards and sheeple-like until I got to know a few families in the surrounding towns I used to live in... and accepted them for what they are and believe.once again, my preconcieved notions were wrong.


the extremists are cowards,yellow and are using others to hide behind while spouting off their mouths.they are the ones that need eliminated.just my opinion.
 
Actually, a lot of muslims have spoken up.

But, if I post a page full of links, it'll just turn into "but what do they say behind closed doors?".
 
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