Teen drawn on/approached by gangbanger- disarms and punches to submission

That GB will probably get his butt whooped again when his homies see this
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you know that's an interesting thought, we all keep worring about gang retalition to the SB, I have no knowlage about how a gang works but perhaps the GB would not want everyone to know he didn't have the "Guts" to pull the trigger and got whooped by a kid half his size:D
 
I'm too old,fat and slow to be wrestling with punks. If, for some reason, I was able to get the bad guy to the ground, I would do anything in my power to leave him there for the coroner. I would consider anybody trying to pull me off a threat.

Of course I'm too old, fat and slow to be skate boarding too...
 
I hope repurcussions are not soon to follow on this young man. He showed a lot of nerve, he tried to avoid it as long as he could have. Having a gun pointed at you makes you think.
 
LOL this doesn't even count.... That wannabe thug couldn't shoot a barn in front of his face.

He was just swinging around a gun and got punched... big deal.
 
I'm just kind of shocked that people would try to defend a guy who assaulted somebody with firearm because he got his butt whipped over it.

It's easy to sit in front of your computer screen and critique what somebody else did when a gun was stuck in his face. Real easy. I got robbed once by a guy with a gun who demanded that I empty my pockets. I didn't empty my pockets, but I started talking to him, so he had to get my wallet out of my pocket himself. The whole time I was looking for an opportunity to get the gun without getting shot but once he seemed satisfied with the wallet, I decided to let it go. It was a matter of opportunity and timing. But it's not in my nature to submit or to comply.
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I don't see a single person defending him.. elaborate?
 
Originally, it seemed to me that the other kids joining in, hitting the GB with their boards was excessive
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Probably not. Think about it - if you were on a jury for a kid who used his skateboard against a guy with a gun, who would you say had the disparity of force on his side? Add in that the gunman is the aggressor, with no apparent provocation, and the kids with the skateboards look to be in the clear to me.

Just my take, of course, but while the gunman was starting to lose the fight, he was still resisting when the other kid got in his whacks with the skateboard. I have a really hard time seeing that go against them.
 
Still think it was staged...

... for one thing, in similar clips done by actual newscameramen, when the BG has friends (there's a second banger at start of clip) they almost always come to threaten the person with camera, to try to make them stop recording. Neither banger approached the guy filming.

The fat banger posed and postured way too much, and seemed to be hamming it up for the camera.

Most of the punches and skateboard hits didn't look like they connected.

The fat banger wasn't bleeding anywhere, after theoretically being hit multiple times with skateboards.

The second banger doesn't do much of anything to help his pard.

And again, the skaters posted the video to a major internet site, where they had to suspect the gang would eventually see it.

For all those reasons, I think this was a staged prank.
 
granted I doubt the sb's would have thought of it, the GB could concievably (I know its a stretch) had a BUG. I would not have considered the threat stopped untill he and his buddy were totally restrained.
 
when the BG has friends (there's a second banger at start of clip) they almost always come to threaten the person with camera, to try to make them stop recording. Neither banger approached the guy filming
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If you look close when the fight goes to the ground, The friend is tied up with two of the skaters on the ground about 20 ft away.
Could be staged I guess, but I think a lot of the blows while they're struggling on the ground connected. That was a genuine ass-whoopin; whether it was staged or not I guess we'll never know.

One more thing: Did anyone else hear a shot at about 1:17 on the video?
 
That's not staged. I'd give that kid (Victim #1, I suppose) lots of credit for keeping his composure and turning the tables.
 
Watched it again

look at the fight from around 1:40 to 1:55

If this isn't staged, then the skater does a great job of accidentally missing almost every punch he throws. Out of all those shots, two connect; the first one looked like it surprised him, and the second is only a grazing backhand. Everything else just barely misses.

So he either knows some grappling but can't punch for crap, or else he's just trying to make it look good but accidentally hits his partner with only one real shot.

The security guard isn't terribly concerned with it, either.

The whole thing just screams staged fight in order to make a viral video.
 
If you watch the first part of the video its clear the kid tries several times to walk away and the BG doesn't let him. Its only then that he goes for the gun. What happens next is the normal reaction you would get from any group of people faced with that situation. Personally I think the kids did well.
 
The fight:

:confused: Have looked at this numerous times and those punches and knee to his face are real. Don't think it is staged and if it is, the bad guy is more stupid than I thouht for takings a butt whippin like that (just for the camera).

My only comment, is that they should have let the teen keep on kicking the bad guy's butt instead of pulling him off. Then, he really would have learned his lesson.
 
I think it is real and i would not be surprised to know if the skater has had some sort of martial art training, His first instinct after getting to the ground was to achieve the mount position on his larger attacker. I have trained in martial arts since i was very young and currently train in a few varieties including Brazilian Jujitsu, If there is one thing i have learned from it is that looks are deceiving, I know many people who look very non threatening and would not intimidate a fly but could easily take on people twice as strong and heavy as they are.

I think this is a great example of the effectiveness of BJJ in a real situation, The skaters instinct was to get the fight to the ground and take dominant position, granted his technique could have been better, however, He clearly won and that is all that counts.
 
The skateboarder did good all things considered. He did miss alot of punches, but the ones that count landed. Wish the bg would have been ko'd.

I wonder what happened to lead up to the gb pulling a gun?
 
Those punches almost all miss...

and the only one that hits with any power doesn't look like it meant to, from the angle the kid's fist made with his own wrist. This, despite the fact that the skater is in full mount, and the gangsta isn't really doing much blocking.

The skateboard strikes have no real effect, and look like they are also pulled both in intensity and somewhat off to the side.

The skater's friends don't react with anything like the intensity one would expect against somebody who had pulled a gun; it's treated more like a joke.

The guard approaches in a calm and quiet manner, by himself. He's obviously not taking it seriously.

Not only that, but in googling every combination I can think of that would pull up an actual news article about this incident, guess what? There are none. This thing shows up on a bunch of skater sites, and some fight sites, but it's also on digg and youtube.

If the media aren't all over this, that's only one more reason to say STAGED.

Oh, btw, in a case like this, where the gangstas have fewer people than the skaters, BJJ is great. If the gangstas had the numbers, then BJJ would be problematic. Skater would have been vulnerable the whole time he was tied up with gansta 1.

But it doesn't matter, because this is FAKE. If it were real, you can bet you'd have already read news articles from reputable sources about a police investigation looking for the kid with the gun, the kid who posted the video, etc.
 
I don't believe it was staged, but so what if it was? Still makes for good tactical response conversation.

Want to go back and forth on whether or not it was staged,which it wasn't imo, or talk about the actual sitation,etc...? :rolleyes:
 
As long as he keeps moving and struggling, he's a threat and they had every right to keep pummeling him.
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Haven't watched the video, but this statement is badly in error.

Threat assessment is far more complicated than this. The idea that you can keep shooting or beating someone as long as they keep "moving and struggling" is absolutely incorrect. You can keep shooting or beating someone as long as they still pose a credible threat to you but the idea that they have to be completely disabled (not "moving or struggling") for the threat to be over is not based in fact.
 
Tactically...

... kid initially goes for both keeping the gun directed away from himself, and for taking the fat gangsta's balance. This is good. Kid doesn't really seem to focus on directing the gun in any particular direction, but then again there are people in most directions and that would have taken a whole different level of awareness and capability. This is not good or bad, it just is. Kid's focus seems to go away from gun almost immediately after takedown. This is bad, if he doesn't KNOW the gun is currently out of play and out of reach.

Not sure where gun ends up. Other skaters may grab it. Otherwise, there's an unsecured firearm that everybody is ignoring, despite the yells of "he's got a gun."

As somebody else noted, during all the time kicking and punching, nobody really disables gangsta's hands or ties up his arms. If he had any other weapons, this could have bitten them all really badly.

Kid recording video would have been smarter to take a moment to secure the weapon, but didn't seem too worried about that. Kid recording video didn't yell, "GUN!" when he saw it, and his actions seemed more like those of somebody thinking, "cool, check this out!" than "oh sh**!!" (IE filming, maneuvering for better angles, not helping his buddy, not warning others)

As somebody else noted, skateboards make more effective weapons if turned like a blade, to increase surface pressure. Same would be true for an oar or paddle, or any hard, flat object.

As I noted, I wouldn't recommend posting a vid that is guaranteed to rile up a gang. I wouldn't recommend posting a vid of a bunch of my buddies kicking a guy or hitting him with objects, as that might rile up cops and DAs. I would recommend reporting any incident of having been threatened with a firearm to the police.

Guard should not have walked up into the middle of a crowd so casually, and by himself. Guard should definitely have called for backup, right after he called 911 or Canadian equivalent (guy who posted video had Canadian flag by his handle; hard to tell from accents and buildings where this was).

So, there's my discussion of the tactics in this event that for any number of reasons seems staged.
 
Tactically...

... I suppose I should also mention that the fat gangbanger is stupid, (although since I think the whole thing is fake, he's probably just assisting with the setup) for several reasons.

1) He assumes that 2 bangers plus one gun will intimidate a large group; it might, but it might not;

2) It's possible that he's posturing with a fake gun, as somebody else suggested;

3) He gets close to the skater with a weapon drawn but held in such a way that he can't really maintain control of his weapon or the situation (IE held up sideways, gangsta style - this has to be fake, seriously - under his own jaw). Normally, if close up and not shooting yet, better to keep the non-gun hand and hip forward, and the pistol back by the shelter of the gunside hip. Can fend or strike with the left, and hip-shoot or raise the gun to low ready from a guarded position.

4) Gangsta dudes separate, while dealing with a group, instead of being in position to watch each other's backs.

Tactically, bunch of bozos.

Still think it's fake.
 
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