Ted Nugent

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I really can't get past the issue of Ted turning tail when his country called.

I am quite pleased that he is an ardent supporter of our troops at this stage of his life, I just wish he would come clean and apologize for what he did. Many folks, myself included would forgive him if he asked. That he has not asked tells me something.
 
Being extreme, and "in your face" may not be he best strategy, but it has been working for quite some time for the other side.

Personally, I find it rather refreshing. Calm, dispassionate logic in the court of public opinion is a losing tactic too often these days, even if it is the morally right choice. A degree of fighting fire with fire is needed, I think. It's certainly emotionally satisfying.

Ted's no saint. He doesn't represent me (on one does, I choose my "role models" like I choose everything else). But the message is right, even if the delivery upsets the old ladies sewing circle. And if the messenger has flaws, well, find a better one, and support them instead.

Does Ted's style do more harm than good? Possibly. But at least he tries.

I'm not quite the same person I was 40 years ago, and I doubt Ted is either. And I fail to see what good it does to bring up things from then, as if they were fully relevant today. Unless, of course, they are still fully relevant today....Not everything is, you know.

I do have to wonder, how going to the draft board, wearing the most disgusting thing imaginable, and basically daring them to determine he was fit for service, how is that worse than someone with future political plans going to study abroad (and participating in anti war protests in a foreign country, NOT in this one) during their years of draft eligibility.

I don't think either one was right, but I do give more credit to the guy who fought the system for his beliefs than the guy who left the country so he didn't have to run that risk.
 
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Absolutely false. He didn't "fight the system." He convinced his local draft board that he was crazy. Too crazy to join the army. He did that so he could rock and roll and party all night. At best, he "fooled the system." What he did was dishonest at best.

Cassius Clay "fought the system." He got drafted and flat out refused to go. And he took his lumps. Nugent took no lumps. Nuge's career soared.

What both of them did was reprehensible. They refused to go, and somebody else had to go in their place. That somebody else maybe died because nuge and clay refused to do their duty.

Sorry, nuge didn't "fight" the system. He was a coward who refused to serve.
 
I like Uncle Ted. I don't agree with all his methods but then I don't agree totally with anybody. I love his total absence of political correctness. He is truly committed to the defense of the second amendment and uses his venues to the best of his abilities. Yeah, he's sometimes a half bubble off plumb but he is on our side and does a lot of unpaid work for the cause.
We've all done things we aren't proud of and I won't hold 40 year old mistakes against him.
 
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And I fail to see what good it does to bring up things from then, as if they were fully relevant today. Unless, of course, they are still fully relevant today....Not everything is, you know.
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I think they're relevant because it speaks to his character. This is why, even underneath all the hyperbole, I can't take him seriously. It just boggles my mind that a pro-2a advocate intentionally dodged the draft but somehow supports our troops now. Makes me think he's a cowardly snake. The poaching stuff makes him look even worse. If it were a liberal I'm sure his background would be relevant and used against him
 
He may have dodged the draft, even Ali but funny how everyone is quick to point that out when the 20 or so posters who said that probably only one or two even went to the Service.
That reminds me of that scripture "An eye of a needle".
But it's very easy to condem others when you're so perfect. :)
 
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He may have dodged the draft, even Ali but funny how everyone is quick to point that out when the 20 or so posters who said that probably only one or two even went to the Service.
That reminds me of that scripture "An eye of a needle".
But it's very easy to condem others when you're so perfect. :)
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the draft was eliminated by the time I was of age, so it's completely voluntary. I chose to go to college instead. People are railing against Ted because he went out of his way to avoid military service during a draft. You'd think that a guy who knows how to use a gun would do so in defense of his own country.
 
gaseousclay, did Bill Clinton's use of educational deferments to avoid the draft cause you similar concerns?

Meanwhile, I am not a fan of draft dodgers, but I also do not think Viet Nam was comparable to WWII. Whether we should have backed French colonialism (aka fought dominoes), or whether we should have honored promises made to VietNamese freedom fighters for theirassistance vs the Japanese in WWII would be an interesting discussion, but we probably can't have that one on TFL.
 
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gaseousclay, did Bill Clinton's use of educational deferments to avoid the draft cause you similar concerns?
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Clinton's educational deferments do concern me, but I think you're conflating the issue. Ted purposely presented himself in such a way to weasel his way out of military service. But comparing the actions of Clinton to Nugent is going a little far IMO. Clinton wasn't the only one to make educational deferments during a time of war and he won't be the last.

I guess I don't understand how anyone can look Ted Nugent in the face and not wanna puke. He'll fight for your 2a rights but he won't fight in a war like every other red blooded American before him? He's a hypocrite.
 
I like Ted, not my first pic, definitely not my last to rep our 2nd amendment. But it takes all kinds, if he pulls 10 people into a great firearms community, fantastic. I'd guess he's pulled more than 10, and don't think that he has pushed many away.
 
make them hear your voice

I wish every gun owner had his passion and energy and was as out spoken and politically active for our rights as he is
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Redrik--Why is he not a good role model ? He is a rocker that preaches against drugs, alcohol and tobacco use and is for freedom.

I think your question has been answered
 
He talks a big game but doesn't back it up. He promised to be dead or in jail by now, but yet there he is. People that act big, but play small, do not have my respect. There is no substance to what he says. No surprise he poaches and draft dodges
 
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So what you are saying is he is crazy? That is what a whole lot of people say about him.
So maybe he didn't 'dodge the draft' at all.
Maybe he really was crazy. And still is.
He is nutty, that is for sure.
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I saw Ted last month at the Belly Up in Aspen which seats about 200 people so I was 5 feet away. It was awesome.

Ted bellowed out that he had a permit for the 1st Amendment "right here" and whipped out his middle finger for the audience.

He's legitimately passionate and a smart guy. He's not going to convince a lot of fence-sitters but he certainly irritates the anti-gunners and anti-hunters, which is just fine with me.

As for the poaching convictions - I educated myself on the specifics. It seems more sloppy hunting and not paying close attention to regs than what we think of as poaching (he wasn't blasting elk calves in the middle of the night).

None of us are angels.
 
I'm a big Ted Nugent fan. More so for his active roll in the NRA and gun rights causes (as well as his anti-drug/alcohol stance and his support of Veterans) than for his music. But, there was a time I was really into Ted's music as well - it's just that "Wang-Dang, Sweet ********" resonated more with me with I was in my teens.

I like the way Ted doesn't try to be politically correct; doesn't try to morph into "Joe Average" simply to attract non-gun folks to his beliefs. I support Ted in his efforts to advocate for gun owners and the 2nd Amendment. He does it "his way" and I applaud him for that. I hope he stays on the bleeding edge doing what he feels is right in his heart, and not compromise his views and beliefs just to satisfy the mainstream.

Rock on, Ted.
 
I see Ted the same as I see Hanoi Jane. They wear the colors that the folks they're with at the time want to see. Ted is convicted poacher and a self proclaimrd draft dodger. He is just a self-serving narcissist. In his hunting shows, his ethics are those of a shooter, not a hunter/sportsman. Just because he preaches the second amendment, doesn't make him a hero. There are thousands of better role models coming home every day from sandboxes across the oceans than "uncle Ted"could ever hope to be. I think it's hideious that he tries to identify himself with them.
 
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