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Teachers with firearms
- Thread starter johnelmore
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But until case law is presented here (and all the case law I keep hearing says the school...teachers are not agents of the state....
is invariably a co-defendent anytime a teacher steps sideways in that school), I believe
teachers are considered agents while on the clock/in the classroom and/or engaged in
school-related functions.
Again, I'd be delighted if the LegalBeagles would weigh in here -- one way or the other.
Double Naught Spy
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1. I just want to allow carry by teachers. I didn't speak to others but I want to allow carry by any licensed individual. I have no problem with that.
Sorry, this was lost in your oft-repeated statements referring specifically to teachers.
2. I did not opine on protecting the students. I said I wanted the ability to carry and to let the carrier make the choice of action to be theirs. No specific requirement to act. I think I said, the teacher could flee out the window if they desired.
I stand corrected. I have your arguments intertwined with others who do have this position.
3. I never argued for them to be armed agents of the state.
I never said you did.
As long they have received enough training to earn a CC license if their jurisdictions require one, why should they be subjected to a higher standard than other citizens?
As noted above, some never receive any training to get a CCW. In others, "training" is a class about the law and then a basic marksmanship exam, nothing more.
This isn't just a teacher issue. It is a physical location issue of schools. Everyone in the geographical boundaries as defined by law are impacted just like everyone else impacted at other restricted locations. It is a lot of teachers, but it is also a lot of parents, support staff, and event students that are impacted. Many or most states that ban from schools include schools of higher education where you have a lot of students who could carry if they were allowed by law.
I am a parent and former teacher. I want to carry on campus as well, but can't because of the restrictions.
With that said, "arming teachers" is going to continue to meet resistance, if not by specific law than by individual school/districts disallowing it, especially so long as the arguments are being made as a special interest group type of argument and being made because people want the teachers to protect the students as if they were security guards. If "you" make the argument that you want them to protect the students, then expect demands for a higher standard of training like security guards. Stop making this issue a narrowly defined teacher special interest group argument. It isn't.
Why won't the teacher argument work well? Simple. As a special interest group, it doesn't have the support of enough of the non-teachers to force changes in the law. Too many CCW people who might be supportive are NOT impacted by campus carry restrictions enough to care. Also, as a special interest group, it explicitly attracts the attention of folks who are against the cause.
What is going to have to change? Schools will need to have all restrictions pertaining to CCW lifted as if they were a public place like the street, sidewalk, park, etc. That will take the decision out of the school administrations even in many of those 18+ states shortwave noted allowed carry in schools, but most of which where permission-required.
Of course, then there is the problem in the few remaining states that allow it or allow it with permission for CCWs to carry like Hawaii. There is no restriction, but of course getting a carry permit there is exceptionally difficult. Some of the other states are also difficult, but not as much so as Hawaii. You can't carry in school with a permit as might be allowed by law if you can't get a permit to carry at all.