Talking Point: "I am a First Responder".
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Fishing_Cabin
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Thank you MLeake and Departed for also pointing out that a lot of law enforcement are actually against any new gun control.
I didn't think that the OP was trying to promote the "rush in and be a hero" train of thought... I actually took it to be somewhat the opposite in a way, of more being helpful to others in various ways to put forward a normal view of the majority of ccw holders. I was actually thinking of this topic this morning when I got up for some reason...I will go ahead and 'spit it out' if you will, what I was thinking, instead of trying to polish it up. So forgive me if I come across unpolished about it.
Going back to (shortened):
I would say for some who are inclined, to try to work together at the grass roots level, and do some basic community involvement. No, I am NOT saying to go out and be confrontational about "your rights" but more about looking around your community and finding small projects that need to be done, but never seem to get done, and use the grass roots group you are with as a firearm owner to step forward and do these various projects. Some folks want to push the ownership and ccw issue to the forefront, but with this I would suggest, letting it be a secondary issue, but connected. It could be about various things:
Maybe your "Welcome to <City Name>" sign is all grown up, and since spring is coming, volunteer yourself and a few of your firearm owner friends, to go clean up around it, and put some flowers/mulch out before or after your next range trip with your friends.
Or perhaps there is a cemetery near you that is grown up. Why not speak to the person responsible for it, and say something like, "hey, I've got a group of friends, and we do a lot of things together similar to this, but we are also firearm owners or hunters, etc. Would you mind if we pitch in and come over Saturday and clean the cemetery up before we head to the range? Btw, if you like, join us afterwards too."
Perhaps, when you and some friends have a day at the range to shoot, why not also try to keep a few hours free after/before, to do good things around the community. A week or 2 later, why not invite whom you may encounter doing whatever to the range with you, and to help out with the next project as well?
Trying to do community involvement like the above, and being "normal" while doing it, can help give the grass roots group(s) a good image. I would avoid certain talks about "protecting others" etc since, its not the point of the ccw, which is for protecting oneself. Vanya quoted a good thread also on that subject.
To bring it to an end, I would say to try to do things that are helpful, and keep others thinking "wasn't that nice of those guys to do?" Perhaps the next thought they would have would be "I may actually take them up on the offer of going to the range with them in a week or two."
I will think on it more though. If some of you would like me to share those thoughts I will...
I didn't think that the OP was trying to promote the "rush in and be a hero" train of thought... I actually took it to be somewhat the opposite in a way, of more being helpful to others in various ways to put forward a normal view of the majority of ccw holders. I was actually thinking of this topic this morning when I got up for some reason...I will go ahead and 'spit it out' if you will, what I was thinking, instead of trying to polish it up. So forgive me if I come across unpolished about it.
Going back to (shortened):
OP said:
I would say for some who are inclined, to try to work together at the grass roots level, and do some basic community involvement. No, I am NOT saying to go out and be confrontational about "your rights" but more about looking around your community and finding small projects that need to be done, but never seem to get done, and use the grass roots group you are with as a firearm owner to step forward and do these various projects. Some folks want to push the ownership and ccw issue to the forefront, but with this I would suggest, letting it be a secondary issue, but connected. It could be about various things:
Maybe your "Welcome to <City Name>" sign is all grown up, and since spring is coming, volunteer yourself and a few of your firearm owner friends, to go clean up around it, and put some flowers/mulch out before or after your next range trip with your friends.
Or perhaps there is a cemetery near you that is grown up. Why not speak to the person responsible for it, and say something like, "hey, I've got a group of friends, and we do a lot of things together similar to this, but we are also firearm owners or hunters, etc. Would you mind if we pitch in and come over Saturday and clean the cemetery up before we head to the range? Btw, if you like, join us afterwards too."
Perhaps, when you and some friends have a day at the range to shoot, why not also try to keep a few hours free after/before, to do good things around the community. A week or 2 later, why not invite whom you may encounter doing whatever to the range with you, and to help out with the next project as well?
Trying to do community involvement like the above, and being "normal" while doing it, can help give the grass roots group(s) a good image. I would avoid certain talks about "protecting others" etc since, its not the point of the ccw, which is for protecting oneself. Vanya quoted a good thread also on that subject.
To bring it to an end, I would say to try to do things that are helpful, and keep others thinking "wasn't that nice of those guys to do?" Perhaps the next thought they would have would be "I may actually take them up on the offer of going to the range with them in a week or two."
I will think on it more though. If some of you would like me to share those thoughts I will...
Willie Sutton
Moderator
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What he said. Being a good citizen and having "us" seen as pillars of the community is what wins. I'd appreciate more of your ideas.
My OP was more about "how to have a conversation" than anything else. The intent of it was intended to be on the order of one more tool to use in theb "over the backyard fence conversation with your non gun-owning neighbor"
Willie
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What he said. Being a good citizen and having "us" seen as pillars of the community is what wins. I'd appreciate more of your ideas.
My OP was more about "how to have a conversation" than anything else. The intent of it was intended to be on the order of one more tool to use in theb "over the backyard fence conversation with your non gun-owning neighbor"
Willie
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Evan Thomas
Inactive
Great post, Fishing Cabin.
Yes, actions can speak a lot louder than words. If we start by showing that we care about our communities and want to make them better places, we create opportunities to talk with the people we meet, not at them.
Yes, actions can speak a lot louder than words. If we start by showing that we care about our communities and want to make them better places, we create opportunities to talk with the people we meet, not at them.
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SPEMack618
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I may be oversimplifying what Fishing Cabin is stating, but my read on the whole thing, sheepdog/first responder/volunteerism all comes full circle when I think on my Boy Scout meetings all those years ago.
A Scout is Helpful.
Do a good turn daily.
No need to go wading in to stop a shootout to be a good guy.
Having people associated with RKBA out in the community doing helpful things that have no bearing at all on the 2nd Amendment will do more to help our cause than any phone call, letter, or open carry rally.
My Fraternity did a multitude of things in our local community, adopted a chunk of highway, adopted an elementary school where we helped install new play ground equipment and read to the kids(want a laugh, imagine a bunch of frat boys dressed up like Mike Mulligan), volunteered with the local Cub Pack, etc. All of those things we did because they were both the right thing to do and made our Fraternity look good.
Pro gun orgs- should consider the same.
Great post, FishingCabin.
A Scout is Helpful.
Do a good turn daily.
No need to go wading in to stop a shootout to be a good guy.
Having people associated with RKBA out in the community doing helpful things that have no bearing at all on the 2nd Amendment will do more to help our cause than any phone call, letter, or open carry rally.
My Fraternity did a multitude of things in our local community, adopted a chunk of highway, adopted an elementary school where we helped install new play ground equipment and read to the kids(want a laugh, imagine a bunch of frat boys dressed up like Mike Mulligan), volunteered with the local Cub Pack, etc. All of those things we did because they were both the right thing to do and made our Fraternity look good.
Pro gun orgs- should consider the same.
Great post, FishingCabin.
Willie Sutton
Moderator
^^ You and fishing cabin "get it" and Vanya, although I love ya... you don't understand the intent of what I positied at all. Be a good citizen. And after that's established, let it be know that you are a RKBA Advocate as well. However you do it, you are an ambassador for our rights. We help others by helping ourselves. We proversely influence crime rates where we carry: Just the fact that we do so to protect ourselves influences overall violent crime rates and that helps everyone. Do not be afraid to take some credit for it and to make sure that people know that THEY and the entire community benefits. That's *all* I moot. The words you personally select to carry the message are irrelevent.
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Fishing_Cabin
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All the above,
I am thankful that you have some level of agreement with me. (very thankful actually, as well as thankful for the kind comments). I work Thursday through tue night, so it may take me til next week to get some things together more in depth.
I am thankful that you have some level of agreement with me. (very thankful actually, as well as thankful for the kind comments). I work Thursday through tue night, so it may take me til next week to get some things together more in depth.
Double Naught Spy
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I don't know what "proversely" means, but crime rates are not influenced by CCW. That is a feel good myth. Individual crimes may be, but crime rates operate outside of the realm of CCW.
See discussion here...
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389890&highlight=rate+more+guns+less+crime
Willie Sutton
Moderator
"Proversely" means the opposite of "Adversely". It means to influence in a positive way.
Datum is the singular of Data. At the test pilot school where I work, there is a large sign painted on the sidewalk as you leave the flightline to enter the schoolhouse that says "This Data is Good" where the words "This" and "Are" have been crossed out and corrected to "These Data Are Good".
Martini is the plural of Martiniz, so when you next are asked "how many" by the bartender when you ask for a Martini, you can be assured he took Latin. I suggest at least a year of it to round out nearly any education.
Your assertation is subject to a bit of debate as well:
http://www.debate.org/debates/Concealed-Carry-Laws-Decrease-Violent-Crime/2/
Smile, humor should *proversely* influence the conversation.
Willie
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Datum is the singular of Data. At the test pilot school where I work, there is a large sign painted on the sidewalk as you leave the flightline to enter the schoolhouse that says "This Data is Good" where the words "This" and "Are" have been crossed out and corrected to "These Data Are Good".
Martini is the plural of Martiniz, so when you next are asked "how many" by the bartender when you ask for a Martini, you can be assured he took Latin. I suggest at least a year of it to round out nearly any education.
Your assertation is subject to a bit of debate as well:
http://www.debate.org/debates/Concealed-Carry-Laws-Decrease-Violent-Crime/2/
Smile, humor should *proversely* influence the conversation.
Willie
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Evan Thomas
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No, Willie, I do get it, and I think you're backpedaling just a bit here.
An "over the backyard fence conversation with your non gun-owning neighbor" is a conversation between equals. Yet this isn't how you refer to the people you want to talk to, or to how you want to talk to them:
As to the role of CCW holders, you say over and over that you want to convince others that it's to defend them. Here's how you put it in your opening post:
You mention service and volunteerism, but there's no context for those other than being a person who carries a gun -- no mention of planting flowers, cleaning up the soccer field, delivering Meals on Wheels, tutoring at the grade school.
You've pursued this theme through the entire thread:
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As to "proversely," "proverse" is a piece of specialized aviation jargon. It has no ordinary-language meaning. None. Do the English language a favor, and don't pretend that it does just in order to be clever.
Kinda ironic, given this:
An "over the backyard fence conversation with your non gun-owning neighbor" is a conversation between equals. Yet this isn't how you refer to the people you want to talk to, or to how you want to talk to them:
This isn't the attitude of someone who wants to have a conversation with an equal. It expresses contempt for the people you want to convince.
As to the role of CCW holders, you say over and over that you want to convince others that it's to defend them. Here's how you put it in your opening post:
You mention service and volunteerism, but there's no context for those other than being a person who carries a gun -- no mention of planting flowers, cleaning up the soccer field, delivering Meals on Wheels, tutoring at the grade school.
You've pursued this theme through the entire thread:
I could go on, but... I think that makes the point. All of this makes it appear that you're trying to find a socially acceptable way to say that you're a hero with a gun. The problem is that there isn't one.
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As to "proversely," "proverse" is a piece of specialized aviation jargon. It has no ordinary-language meaning. None. Do the English language a favor, and don't pretend that it does just in order to be clever.
Kinda ironic, given this:
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I have been using this language since I started carrying. It was one of the things that really got me thinking about my safety. I change my smoke detector batteries every six months, I know how to use a fire extinguisher, and check their charge regularly, I have CPR and first aid training, and know how to use an AED. So if something bad happened in my home, I felt I was pretty covered, except if someone decided to do something to harm me or my family. Anyway, just wanted to add something to something you wrote:
What's interesting is that CPR has been around for a lot longer than the public has been taught to use it. The idea of pumping on someones chest to keep their heart going and keep them alive has been around for over 100 years. But the public has only been taught to do it since the 70's or early 80's. If you asked a doctor in 1960 how to keep a heart attack victim alive, he'd tell you to call the ambulance and pray. If you asked him how to do chest compressions, he'd laugh at you and say, go to medical school and become a doctor. I feel that the public feels the same way, in general, right now about carrying a gun in public. Oh, only trained professionals should be allowed to carry a gun! It's ridiculous because by the time the professionals arrive, the damage has already been done...this is why we have smoke detectors, fire extiguishers, first aid kits and AEDs.
What's interesting is that CPR has been around for a lot longer than the public has been taught to use it. The idea of pumping on someones chest to keep their heart going and keep them alive has been around for over 100 years. But the public has only been taught to do it since the 70's or early 80's. If you asked a doctor in 1960 how to keep a heart attack victim alive, he'd tell you to call the ambulance and pray. If you asked him how to do chest compressions, he'd laugh at you and say, go to medical school and become a doctor. I feel that the public feels the same way, in general, right now about carrying a gun in public. Oh, only trained professionals should be allowed to carry a gun! It's ridiculous because by the time the professionals arrive, the damage has already been done...this is why we have smoke detectors, fire extiguishers, first aid kits and AEDs.
Willie Sutton
Moderator
An "over the backyard fence conversation with your non gun-owning neighbor" is a conversation between equals. Yet this isn't how you refer to the people you want to talk to, or to how you want to talk to them:
Well:
I really don't consider my next door neighbor to be my equal when it comes to knowlage of RKBA issues, or firearms, or in fact even their basic reasoning and logical analysis ability. Critical thinking is not a strong subject generally, and especially when it comes to RKBA issues.
I'm about as far from thinking of myself as a "hero with a gun". I am quiet, polite, retiring, and do not draw attention to myself. I am, however, of the mind that I am part of the good fabric of my community and believe that my community recognizes this. Further, I think that it's important to let people know that within a balanced "whole" as a good citizen that being on "our" side of the RKBA debate is something that just ought to be taken as a matter of natural consequence of being prepared to be a good citizen. Nothing more, and nothing less. Each of us should engage our brains to figure out in our own way how to best accomplish this. There is no "one way fits all".
I am often very pleased when someone says, after knowing me for some time in polite social circles, that I am an RKBA activist. Often the comment is "You are a NRA member? I would have never guessed", meaining (in code) "I cannot believe that someone as (polite, professional, rational, sensible, well dressed, insert typical stereotype here) is part of THAT rabble". It's a teaching moment for me to be able to say "What did you expect?"
Enjoy whatever discussion comes here next, I'm not going to argue this further. In fact, I'm surprised that we are arguing at all: I've neither the time nor the general inclination to do so, and all I wanted to do was to invite others experessing their opinions on how THEY try to control the battle of language, not to defend my own choices. Share what YOU do, as our friend Fishing Cabin has done (and privately promises to do mkore of as he has time) Contribute to the conversation. Let's each do our part to win the battle. Part of it is the battle to control the language. Be aware of it and use words carefully. We are all on the same side here.
Try this:
"I shoot an assault rifle. I shoot a military handgun. Both are fitted with high capacity magazines".
v/s
I shoot a modern sporting rifle designed in the late 1950's, which is the the most common rifle model in the world. I shoot a handgun classified as a Curio and Relic, the Model 1935 Browning. Yes, both are fitted with their factory standard capacity magazines.
Just open up to the idea of softening things a bit. Wag more, and bark less.
Willie
Proverse (adjective) : A positive result or reaction as opposed to adverse as a negative result or reaction. "His intervention in the matter caused a proverse reaction". Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
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Well:
I really don't consider my next door neighbor to be my equal when it comes to knowlage of RKBA issues, or firearms, or in fact even their basic reasoning and logical analysis ability. Critical thinking is not a strong subject generally, and especially when it comes to RKBA issues.
I'm about as far from thinking of myself as a "hero with a gun". I am quiet, polite, retiring, and do not draw attention to myself. I am, however, of the mind that I am part of the good fabric of my community and believe that my community recognizes this. Further, I think that it's important to let people know that within a balanced "whole" as a good citizen that being on "our" side of the RKBA debate is something that just ought to be taken as a matter of natural consequence of being prepared to be a good citizen. Nothing more, and nothing less. Each of us should engage our brains to figure out in our own way how to best accomplish this. There is no "one way fits all".
I am often very pleased when someone says, after knowing me for some time in polite social circles, that I am an RKBA activist. Often the comment is "You are a NRA member? I would have never guessed", meaining (in code) "I cannot believe that someone as (polite, professional, rational, sensible, well dressed, insert typical stereotype here) is part of THAT rabble". It's a teaching moment for me to be able to say "What did you expect?"
Enjoy whatever discussion comes here next, I'm not going to argue this further. In fact, I'm surprised that we are arguing at all: I've neither the time nor the general inclination to do so, and all I wanted to do was to invite others experessing their opinions on how THEY try to control the battle of language, not to defend my own choices. Share what YOU do, as our friend Fishing Cabin has done (and privately promises to do mkore of as he has time) Contribute to the conversation. Let's each do our part to win the battle. Part of it is the battle to control the language. Be aware of it and use words carefully. We are all on the same side here.
Try this:
"I shoot an assault rifle. I shoot a military handgun. Both are fitted with high capacity magazines".
v/s
I shoot a modern sporting rifle designed in the late 1950's, which is the the most common rifle model in the world. I shoot a handgun classified as a Curio and Relic, the Model 1935 Browning. Yes, both are fitted with their factory standard capacity magazines.
Just open up to the idea of softening things a bit. Wag more, and bark less.
Willie
Proverse (adjective) : A positive result or reaction as opposed to adverse as a negative result or reaction. "His intervention in the matter caused a proverse reaction". Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
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Evan Thomas
Inactive
Perfect. I'd say that recognizing "teachable moments" and taking advantage of them is a lot more important than trying to come up with a formula to use when doing so.Wiilie Sutton said:
Cheers --
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bazookajeff89
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As far as i'm concerned and since we are making up names, I am a "Responding Samaritan."
I completely agree that words and terminology are the ammunition used in this fight. On a daily basis i see things that certain reporters or politicians say, that while may not be a proper description, is also not untrue. Take "assault weapon" for instance. I don't want this to get into a debate about the fallacy of the term but semi-auto rifles are weapons that can be used to assault others. This is also true of hammers, other guns, a shovel or whatever else you want to use, but the problem is, it's been coined, is "commonly" referring to what we see it as now and it's not something that will change. As far as i'm concerned those words were a 50 BMG of ammunition straight at the 2A cause.
First Responder is already a coined term, with common meaning and I like the idea of calling CCW holders who take action that but i can see how it would get messy and just another point of contention instead of focusing on the real issue. Words can do incredibly deadly, life building things. Just look at what President Obama(yes President, not Mr. just because I don't like his policies doesn't mean he's not my Commander in Chief.) has done with some nice words in speeches.
The fact is, that while gun owners are responsible, hardworking, honest people, the general populace is easy to sway with the right thing said.
I am a Responding Samaritan. I take it upon myself to defend others who may not be able to defend themselves. I have the utmost respect for the Police and am not trying to take the law into my own hands. But whether it's with Gun or fists, cellphone or an AED i will do my best to help my neighbors and my community.
I completely agree that words and terminology are the ammunition used in this fight. On a daily basis i see things that certain reporters or politicians say, that while may not be a proper description, is also not untrue. Take "assault weapon" for instance. I don't want this to get into a debate about the fallacy of the term but semi-auto rifles are weapons that can be used to assault others. This is also true of hammers, other guns, a shovel or whatever else you want to use, but the problem is, it's been coined, is "commonly" referring to what we see it as now and it's not something that will change. As far as i'm concerned those words were a 50 BMG of ammunition straight at the 2A cause.
First Responder is already a coined term, with common meaning and I like the idea of calling CCW holders who take action that but i can see how it would get messy and just another point of contention instead of focusing on the real issue. Words can do incredibly deadly, life building things. Just look at what President Obama(yes President, not Mr. just because I don't like his policies doesn't mean he's not my Commander in Chief.) has done with some nice words in speeches.
The fact is, that while gun owners are responsible, hardworking, honest people, the general populace is easy to sway with the right thing said.
I am a Responding Samaritan. I take it upon myself to defend others who may not be able to defend themselves. I have the utmost respect for the Police and am not trying to take the law into my own hands. But whether it's with Gun or fists, cellphone or an AED i will do my best to help my neighbors and my community.
Evan Thomas
Inactive
On reflection, I'm reopening this. However, let's drop the off-topic linguistics discussion (to which I contributed 
) and stay on the original topic.
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Willie Sutton
Moderator
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What you are missing is that propaganda works.
It's working for them.
We are ignoring, or more correctly not properly exploiting, the tool.
As a result, we are *losing*.
Yes we feel that we are "winning" but all we are doing is damage control.
The other side is offensive, we are defensive, and all we can call a "win" is maintaining the status quo, which we are not maintaining. We are LOSING. We need to win. Part of winning is winning ideas, and (sadly) winning ideas is a propaganda effort.
Willie
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What you are missing is that propaganda works.
It's working for them.
We are ignoring, or more correctly not properly exploiting, the tool.
As a result, we are *losing*.
Yes we feel that we are "winning" but all we are doing is damage control.
The other side is offensive, we are defensive, and all we can call a "win" is maintaining the status quo, which we are not maintaining. We are LOSING. We need to win. Part of winning is winning ideas, and (sadly) winning ideas is a propaganda effort.
Willie
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Double Naught Spy
New member
Calling ourselves first responders isn't the answer. Telling everyone that they are better off because we carry isn't the answer. These are nothing but feel good efforts to make us feel better. These are efforts along the lines of thinking that Sarah Palin was going to carry the election for us. Pro-gunners thought she was wonderful (see the various old threads here that show this) because she was pretty and pro gun, as if those were the only issues at hand. The problem was that carrying our own vote wasn't the problem. The problem was gaining new votes. Fence sitters and anti-gunners were not impressed by her being pretty or being pro gun to any significant amount.
What you seem to be missing in the propaganda game is that promoting ourselves on the features we really like happens to be some of the features that scare the hell out of the non-Republican and non-pro-gun community that we are trying to convince. It isn't about what we want when you are convincing others who don't share the same views. It is about what they want.
Never mind that telling everyone, as you suggested, that they are better off because we are around is going to be perceived as downright arrogant. That would be poor propaganda.
Willie Sutton
Moderator
OK, well then.... Come up with something positive then.
Scratch your head and come up with something. Really. Saying "No" is easy. Now offer something as an alternative.
Because if you cannot articulate it here, you cannot speak with the people we need to reach. Hiding among friends does not work.
The antis have figured it out... how about us?
Willie
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Scratch your head and come up with something. Really. Saying "No" is easy. Now offer something as an alternative.
Because if you cannot articulate it here, you cannot speak with the people we need to reach. Hiding among friends does not work.
The antis have figured it out... how about us?
Willie
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Frank Ettin
Administrator
As I see it, and as I've said in the past, the first step is for each of us to be a good ambassador for gun ownership. Are you the type of person, in your manners, tastes, interests (aside from guns), about whom someone might say, "Gosh, I would never have expected you to be a gun owner"?
It will help our cause for each of us to be a multilayered, well rounded person; active and contributing to society in a variety of ways and spheres -- our careers, our communities, local charities, the arts, etc. We're not just "gun nuts." We're active, participating members of our communities, and we just happen to own firearms and are interest in, and knowledgeable about, them.
The points are (1) to break down stereotypes; and (2) to increase our credibility.
On the other hand, casting ourselves in the role of "first responders" probably feeds many negative stereotypes of gun owners. It conjures up images of vigilantes.
We have a lot to say. The "should only doctors know CPR" can be a useful response -- to the extent the proper foundation is laid. Our treating guns as safety/rescue tools can be a useful concept. But for people to listen to and hear such things, we must first be people who are (1) not one dimensional; (2) credible; and (3) the type other people take seriously.
It will help our cause for each of us to be a multilayered, well rounded person; active and contributing to society in a variety of ways and spheres -- our careers, our communities, local charities, the arts, etc. We're not just "gun nuts." We're active, participating members of our communities, and we just happen to own firearms and are interest in, and knowledgeable about, them.
The points are (1) to break down stereotypes; and (2) to increase our credibility.
On the other hand, casting ourselves in the role of "first responders" probably feeds many negative stereotypes of gun owners. It conjures up images of vigilantes.
We have a lot to say. The "should only doctors know CPR" can be a useful response -- to the extent the proper foundation is laid. Our treating guns as safety/rescue tools can be a useful concept. But for people to listen to and hear such things, we must first be people who are (1) not one dimensional; (2) credible; and (3) the type other people take seriously.
Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
Something positive?
I'm a prepared father and husband. My job is to protect my family. If that means changing the TV station, fine. If that means giving my life to protect theirs, so be it. That's my job.
I don't need to try to change the meaning of words.
"Father"
"Husband"
If someone doesn't know what those words mean, I don't much care what their opinion might be.
I'm a prepared father and husband. My job is to protect my family. If that means changing the TV station, fine. If that means giving my life to protect theirs, so be it. That's my job.
I don't need to try to change the meaning of words.
"Father"
"Husband"
If someone doesn't know what those words mean, I don't much care what their opinion might be.
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