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Talking about 9mm accuracy
- Thread starter jaybigboy34
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what about the sig x5 tactical? is it as accurate as the sig x5 level1?
I'm honestly not sure whether it's at the level of the L1. It probably is, but I don't know. I haven't heard that it gets any less attention than the other X-Fives from the German Mastershop -- but then I haven't heard that it does, either.
The Tactical will certainly be a much higher-quality gun than any present-day American Sig, but part of the attractiveness of the X-Five/X-Six to me is the steel frame, and I would have a hard time paying X-Five Tactical prices for a Sig with an Al-alloy frame when there are X-Fives with steel frames that don't cost that much more. And I can say for certain that the other non-L1 X-Fives with steel frames will have the same mechanical accuracy as the L1. The frame, slide, barrel, and fitting will be the same; you give up things like the adjustable trigger, the Nill grips (which actually aren't Nills anymore on the L1's 2nd-gen. replacement, the "Classic"), and, sadly, a number of milled steel small parts for MIM (though Sig Sauer in Eckernförde does MIM much, much better than Sig Sauer in Exeter/Newington, which embarrassingly sources MIM from low-bidder, low-quality outfits like Indo-MIM), but the rest is the same.
Instead of a Tactical (or a Lightweight), I would look at the steel-framed X-Five Competition (1st gen.) or its replacement, the X-Five Entry (2nd gen.). There's also the steel-framed All Around -- which Sig can't seem to properly name, since they variously call it the All Around, the Allround, and the All Round on the very same website -- but that gives up another thing that's attractive about the X-Five, which is a SAO trigger.
Of course, I'm assuming here that you're not planning to carry one of these beasts. If you are, then an Al-alloy frame might well be the way to go.
Jim Watson
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The CZ Accu-Shadow is your best bet for an accurate current model from them.
Baer's PPC Distinguished Match model is available with their 1.5" "guarantee" and would be the pick in a 1911 derivative.
It is tough to get definite mechanical accuracy information on plastic guns, they are inherently flexible and do not do well being clamped in a Ransom Rest. A really good bench shooter could probably wring one out as well.
Baer's PPC Distinguished Match model is available with their 1.5" "guarantee" and would be the pick in a 1911 derivative.
It is tough to get definite mechanical accuracy information on plastic guns, they are inherently flexible and do not do well being clamped in a Ransom Rest. A really good bench shooter could probably wring one out as well.
My 1937 Luger does really well, better than any handgun I've fired other than my P210 (caveat, I've never fired match-grade 1911's), impressive given its age. That's both handheld and from a rest. There are other "issues" with this antique design, of course, but it's very accurate.
rt11002003
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9mm accuracy
I shoot both a SIG X-5 Competition and a SIG X-6 L1. At shorter range I do best with the X-5. When I move out to 25 yards and more the X-6 is more accurate for me. I think the difference is due to the X-5 being lighter and easier to manage, but the longer barrel of the X-6 helps at greater distance.
My Springfield 1911 RangeOfficer 9mm is also surprisingly accurate, almost on par with my X-5. It's much better since I had a gunsmith do some trigger work on it. Smoothness helps.
I shoot both a SIG X-5 Competition and a SIG X-6 L1. At shorter range I do best with the X-5. When I move out to 25 yards and more the X-6 is more accurate for me. I think the difference is due to the X-5 being lighter and easier to manage, but the longer barrel of the X-6 helps at greater distance.
My Springfield 1911 RangeOfficer 9mm is also surprisingly accurate, almost on par with my X-5. It's much better since I had a gunsmith do some trigger work on it. Smoothness helps.
lifesizepotato
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Current production metal 9mm or 45, excluding the P210, I'd probably say the Pardini GT9/45, Sig X5/6, and Korth PRS.
Polymer, I think the only answer has ever been the HK Mark 23.
Polymer, I think the only answer has ever been the HK Mark 23.
My stock CZ 85 combat is the most accurate 9 I have ever shot but, in my opinion, 9mm's in general suffer from a short powder column same thing is true of a 40 S&W. It has taken me a great deal of effort to find the proper bullet/powder combination to realize the full potential of this pistols accuracy and when, do to time constraints, I switch to store bought fodder group size grows considerably. First noticed this phenomenon when comparing 40S&W with 10mm. Same bullet and powder charge was appreciably more accurate in the 10. I like my 9mm's but I'm betting a .38 Super would beat it hands down.
I always forget to include the Pardini, for some reason. I really need to pick one of those up. LSP, I imagine the special-edition INOX models are unobtainium at this point, correct?
Those are no longer offered, as far as I know, ATX. The aluminum framed models are great though.
DannyB1954
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Probably the biggest heaviest one made. Doesn't mean you would want to carry it around.
All modern firearms are more accurate than the person pulling the trigger.
All modern firearms are more accurate than the person pulling the trigger.
Back in 1985 or so at 50 feet I fired a vertically strung 1 1/4" group using W-W Silvertips out of my 1943 Walther made P-38-with a somewhat pitted barrel. I recall in years gone by a number of S&W M-39/439/639 shooters found Bar Sto barrels made a big difference. My Browning HP has given me good results with both jacketed and lead bullets. The 9MMP seems to be more sensitive to changes in barrel twist and depth of lands and grooves that say the 38 Special. The accuracy is there, you just have to work at it.
The best gun you shoot is a pretty good answer but that aside, there are differences in guns and some are simply better than others. I'll put the 92FS at the top of the list for the following reasons.
1) Accuracy, the gun itself is an excellent design and it is just plain and simple accurate.
2) Ergonomics, It has decent mass but not heavy, it's well balanced, and it has low recoil that is easily managed.
3) Sight radius, the full size guns with the longer barrels also have a longer sight radius. The longer sight radius is going to make it easier to hit longer distance targets.
The 92FS does a good job even at 50yds.
1) Accuracy, the gun itself is an excellent design and it is just plain and simple accurate.
2) Ergonomics, It has decent mass but not heavy, it's well balanced, and it has low recoil that is easily managed.
3) Sight radius, the full size guns with the longer barrels also have a longer sight radius. The longer sight radius is going to make it easier to hit longer distance targets.
The 92FS does a good job even at 50yds.
Probably the biggest heaviest one made. Doesn't mean you would want to carry it around.
Who said anything in this thread about carrying? A lot of people buy pistols that they have no intention of ever carrying -- or even potentially using for self-defense purposes at all.
All modern firearms are more accurate than the person pulling the trigger.
See bac1023's earlier response to the same comment:
That wasn't the question. When discussing how accurate a PISTOL is, you need to take the shooter out of the equation. Everyone knows the real world performance of a gun is limited by the shooter, but entering that variable into the discussion is pointless in determining the true accuracy of the gun itself. To do that, you need a ransom rest.