Talking about 9mm accuracy

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I have two questions. Other than the Sig P210, what is the most accurate 9mm semi auto pistol from a rest at 25+ yards that is currently out on the market to buy?

Second question. What is the most accurate polymer pistol (limited to 9mm or 45) at 25+ yards from a rest that is currently on the market for sale?
 
Mechanical accuracy.

IMHO for 9MM a SIG X-Five/X-Six.

Poly pistol, HK MK23.

These are easily among the very top contenders again IMHO.
 
Whatever one the best shooter is shooting. They're all far more accurate than most shooters will ever be.
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That wasn't the question. When discussing how accurate a PISTOL is, you need to take the shooter out of the equation. Everyone knows the real world performance of a gun is limited by the shooter, but entering that variable into the discussion is pointless in determining the true accuracy of the gun itself. To do that, you need a ransom rest.

To answer the question, my guess would be a Sig X Five L1 or one of the semi custom 1911s with an 1.5" at 50 yards accuracy guarantee. There are plenty of guns out of production that can match the accuracy, but you asked for currently available stuff. Also, I assume you're talking about centerfire pistols.
 
Smith 952 @ 50 yards. Well under 2" group. There are some good 9mms out there with the 952 being one of those but people have to understand you can not just use any ammo to get that level of performance. YMMV

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The 952 is no longer currently available, but I would agree that its one of the most accurate 9mms ever built.
 
I like the x5. Does CZ or HK have anything that is as or more accurate as than x5?
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I have a CZ 75 Champion that will shoot with my X Five, but that's no longer available. I'm not sure about any of the current models.

HK doesn't at this point, as far as I'm concerned.
 
The most accurate 9mm I personally ever fired was a run-of-the-mill wartime P.38. I don't know how or why, but on that gun things just all broke the right way; off a rest, it shot 1 1/2 inches at 25 yards, on a par with some of the best target handguns made. Trigger pull was superb. Not my gun, unfortunately; it belonged to a friend who suggested I "try it out".

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it is strange that's it hard to find any of the major manufacturers pistols fired from a ransom test. I have looked long and hard pr glock results and cz results. I am surprised we don't have guys on this forum that do it for heck of it. I am personally fond of cz for accuracy, but I think probably the ver tight tolerenced gun, like Wilson combat or the high end 9mm 1911's would actually be the most accurate.
 
Yea I was thinking the same thing. You would think someone out there would test all of the top brands and see which is the most accurate.
 
CZ has the Czechmate... thing costs over 3 grand. And they have a Tactical sport model thats more reasonable. They are supposed to be good.
 
Handgun accuracy lies in fit to the shooter, and muscle memory/fundamentals. After that is inherant mechanical accuracy. If you really want to know try to find ransom rest tests of various handguns. I would bet an h&k or SIG would serve well. Although so would a glock if it fits YOU
 
I have two questions. Other than the Sig P210, what is the most accurate 9mm semi auto pistol from a rest at 25+ yards that is currently out on the market to buy?

Second question. What is the most accurate polymer pistol (limited to 9mm or 45) at 25+ yards from a rest that is currently on the market for sale?
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Probably an X-Five or X-Six for current-production 9mm pistols. Actually, probably one of the top semi-custom 1911s with an accuracy guarantee in 9mm, like BAC said, but I can't speak from personal experience there, as I've never shot one of those in 9mm (and would never buy a 9mm 1911). (Regarding the P210, be aware that the current-production German P210, while a superb gun, is definitely not built to the same standards as its Swiss forbears and is not capable of the same level of accuracy.)

As for poly pistols in either 9mm or .45, not sure, but the comically hulking HK Mark 23 is probably as good as any. Or perhaps one of STI's hybrid-frame 2011 pistols.

Can someone tell me the difference between an x5 L1 and the current newer x5s? Is one more accurate than the other?
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The newer ones have an ugly rail and fairly unattractive overall "restyling" (my opinion, of course), and I've heard rumors that they have a greater number of MIM parts (not certain about that), but I don't think there's an accuracy difference. The newer ones do have the advantage of being a bit less expensive on average, from what I've seen.

At some point in 2015, however, all Sig production will move to the U.S., and I've seen nothing from Exeter/Newington to give me any confidence whatsoever that they are capable of building X-Fives, X-Sixes, and P210s (the very thought of these is just laughable to me, especially the idea of an American P210) to something resembling the standards of the German Mastershop. If you want one of these, buy it sooner rather than later.

The pistol with the best accuracy-to-dollars ratio -- this is obviously conjecture, as no standardized testing exists -- might be the new Wilson Combat Beretta 92G. Bill Wilson is shooting 6-shot groups as small as 2.5" at 50 yards with different specimens from a bench rest (not a machine rest). Not too shabby for $1,195.

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people have to understand you can not just use any ammo
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I won't hazard a guess at the OP's question, I'm not familiar with any of the current production guns, and many of the models named by others here, I've never even heard of. But I can tell you that what ammo you use IN that gun matters.

Practical accuracy involves three things, the shooter, the gun, and the ammo.
Technical accuracy involves two things, the gun and the ammo.

The best (or at least the most highly touted) pistols won't meet their reputations, if you feed them crap ammo.

Also, there is the little thing that, while a given make and model might have a well deserved reputation for accuracy, the gun that gets into YOUR hands might not perform up to that reputation (and not have anything mechanically wrong or defective about it).
 
I have the p210 and the smith 952 performance center, I prefer the the 1911 platform, I own a les baer distinguished match 1911 custom in 9mm shoots awesome{it was a friend of mines, I just picked it up, and I shot a members Dan Wesson Elite Havok 9mm, I know he paid a lot for it but it shot amazing, I felt bad I put so many rounds through it, I couldn't put it down...
 
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