Yes John, there is.
That's the ugly catch-22 though isn't it?
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Yes John, there is.
Are these the federally protected minorities???Our system works folks, use it. A lot of others have and they got what they wanted and are getting stronger. We can too.
We are discussing this as if the UN or NATO is going to step in and lay down the law for everyone to abide by.
madmo44mag said:Tennessee Gentleman people do vote.
madmo44mag said:Are these the federally protected minorities??? Gay, black, Hispanics, tree huggers - the list goes on. Just who are these folks???
madmo44mag said:By the way Tennessee I do value your point of view!
BlueTrain said:It is sort of undefined to expect everyone to do something that is unpopular, isn't it?
BlueTrain said:do you suppose there is something in the constitution that allows a state to be expelled?
We live in an unprecedented participatory democracy. One man, one vote. If you won't participate then you can't bitch about the results.
Yes, yes and yes. And others too. Michael Bane said on his podcast that he met with and discussed political tactics with some Gay Rights folk. Whether you are sympathetic to them or not you cannot deny that they have really turned public opinion about since the 1960s. And I believe they are only about 3% of the population (that number is debated but they are small). These guys told Michael how they changed public opinion by changing the language. We could and should do the same for guns. This is the much better path to change than this crazy secession talk IMO.
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By the way Tennessee I do value your point of view!
Thank you sir. We are I think on the same side.
USAFNoDak said:I view the federal government as still operating beyond where it was ever intended to.
We are discussing this as if the UN or NATO is going to step in and lay down the law for everyone to abide by.
Yeah, Israel, and Taiwan have been on the brink of collapse for decades...But the international community is unlikely to recognize the independence of some seceding state(s). Without international recognition any seceding state will struggle to survive.
For those who say to use your vote to change things, I can only say your vote changes nothing....<snip>....I fear I have lost faith in our system all together.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
Our system still works. We still are/have one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, countries/economies/armies. People should stop taking this country for granted and realize just how good you have it here. Seceding just because some radicals in one party are a bunch of sore losers solves nothing. Vote, write your congresspeople, contribute and make your voice heard. Aside from Molon Labe, the Spartans also said "He who shouts loudest and longest wins." If we shout loud enough, things will change in 2010, hopefully.