Tactical Revolver in Germany

As long ago as the 1970s, when most German PDs were turning in their .32s for 9mms in the approved P5,6,7 series, there was one very tough outfit that really hated losing their Model 19s. I no longer have the periodical that names the agency, sorry.

Seems that not all German PDs quit revolvers, at least not for some applications.
 
Still I ask whats the big deal?

A SWAT type using a revolver? I could think of many reasons to use one in a similar situation. What? there are like eight officers with all kind of sub-machine guns, auto pistols, and all kinds of gear. It's not like the team will run out of ammo any time soon.

My guess would be that a special team like that may have some choice in their weaponry. Maybe this officer chose a revolver. I'd bet that if all officers had some choice in their servce firearm.. you'd see a lot more revolvers on the street.

In this or a similar situation I dont see where the use of either a revolver or an autoloader would make much difference.
 
For probably 99% of applications a semi-auto is a better choice, but I see an application for an accurate, powerful, long barreled revolver here.

In a possible hostage situation a very accurate, shot at longer than normal range may need to be taken and a rifle may not be an option because of the layout of the building. A very good shot could pull that off with a "hunting style" revolver vs a combat stye semi-auto much easier.
 
I'm not sure about 99% but my views might be tainted since I refer revolvers:)

....check out the officer with sneakers, jeans, and a different shirt....it just all depend son the situation. the officer might have had to draw in an instant and the other guy might've dropped what he was doing to assist in the 'call'
 
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why do you feel that 99% of the time an auto would be better? Better for you maybe. I seriously dont see how a revolver or an auto makes any difference in a similar situation. These officers are assaulting a location. Be it for one armed assailent or 10. The issue if there was one would be the training and capabilities of the individual officers, and the team.
 
Be it for one armed assailent or 10
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You hit the nail on the head yourself. Assuming your new friends only need to be ventilated to standard before they drop, each which I feel like is a big assumption with a handgun - you're looking at three (6 shot cylinder), at most four double taps (8 shot cylinder). Then you have to reload. If you're first man - or any man - that's not ideal.

Let's not forget automatics are faster to reload and you can have somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 rounds on tap before reload if you want to.
 
In a crowded bar, full of innocents, one bad guy, one accurate shot is whats called for. If I had to make such a shot I'd prefer the accuracy of a 586 or 686 to do so. I would really prefer the accuracy of a Manurhin MR73, but apparently the Germans don't use them any longer.

As to all the "what ifs" concerning running the revolver dry or multiple assailants, I'd expect that German cops partner with the MP5 to be batting clean up. Regards 18DAI
 
burner that's ridiculous, are you saying the cop with the revolver is less prepared because he has a revolver in that situation. ps- please forgive my tone..hard to relay in a computer message..but that is why you carry semis(seems to be a prevalent reason)?
 
Let's not forget automatics are faster to reload and you can have somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 rounds on tap before reload if you want to.
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This is true provided the pistol doesn't suddenly stop for any variety of reasons. At least with a service revolver, one can reasonally be assured of 6-8 rounds before a stoppage occurs.
 
A modern auto, properly cared for and fed is very reliable .Many trust their lives with them.
Jim Cirillo AFAIK used both revolver and autos while with the NYPD Stake out Squad. Seventeen shootouts with BGs and he won them all ! Great shooter and very nice guy ! Do some research !
 
burner that's ridiculous, are you saying the cop with the revolver is less prepared because he has a revolver in that situation.
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Anytime you bring a wheel gun rather than an automatic to the fight against anything but a moose, bear or other large dangerous game your weapon is leaving you a little less prepared. I didn't say unprepared, less prepared. How much less prepared you are would depend on the situation, if it is one dude and you have four buddies with you then not much less.

The revolver is clearly simpler in its manual of arms - under stress the driver is less likely to eff up it's operation. A quality automatic is hands down the winner in resistance to impact/rough handling, and reliability under exposure to environmental fouling, is higher capacity, is quicker to reload, etc.

I love shooting revolvers for competition but doing so makes me realize how limited it would be compared to my automatic if I had to shoot it in anger (that being said, I really want a S&W's new eight shot .357).

This is true provided the pistol doesn't suddenly stop for any variety of reasons. At least with a service revolver, one can reasonally be assured of 6-8 rounds before a stoppage occurs.
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Mean rounds between stoppage for common, quality combat pistols is anywhere from the low thousands to the low tens of thousands (the DEA evaluated the USP at 10250 MRBS).
 
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Also no way thats a korth, if you click on the image to make it larger and look at the pattern on the sign behind the revolver you can see it is not a full lug barrel, also I don't see any sign of the ribbed barrel.
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I notice the lack of the full lug barrel right away.

Supposedly the "tactical revolver" is a good choice for the shield guy because the awkward one handed hold the shield necessitates creates a lot of circumstance for operator induced malfunction as well as an obvious inability to clear the weapon.
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I understand that!

I have/own the best (to me) "tactical revolver" the S&W 327 R8 M&P (AKA Military & Police). I read, I read from a hand gun mag the R8 it's got an advantage for the first storm trooper with a shield. What's been said, should I have to explain? It stated he has to shoot threw a hole which can easily jam in a semi, and the power of some hot .357s will take you out, even if you hit him on the pinky.:D
 
I have/own the best (to me) "tactical revolver" the S&W 327 R8 M&P (AKA Military & Police). I read, I read from a hand gun mag the R8 it's got an advantage for the first storm trooper with a shield. What's been said, should I have to explain? It stated he has to shoot threw a hole which can easily jam in a semi, and the power of some hot .357s will take you out, even if you hit him on the pinky
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I'm not exactly an MP but I've never seen one with a firing port. Most I've seen require the operator to put their arm around the shield to fire. Obviously, your arm is exposed but even if you had it severed neatly by a laser gun because it was unprotected you'd have a very treatable wound. Anyways, the one handed hold around the shield - especially if you want to put in front of the viewport to aim - doesn't look particularly conducive towards reliable feeding.

Are there designs out there with a firing port for the handgun that are in use?
 
The weapon is the man holding the gun. The gun is just an extension of his skill-set. If he's comfortable with a revolver... who are we to judge him?

In imagined face to face squaired off high noon gun battles on deserted streets... the autoloader would probably be the better choice. Gun battles dont always happen like that. In fact they are usually a surprise. They usually happen real fast. They often take place in touching distance. Often the revolver is the better tool. But the truth is... either autoloader or revolver would work.
 
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