SWAT shoots/kills black man (VIDEO)
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Fred Hansen
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Using the - Would I have punched a 10mm hole in him? - method
I voted yes.
Or as a very wise girlfriend of mine used to say: "Awwww! Too bad! So sad!"
Another oxygen thief gets a free dirtnap from the cops.
I voted yes.
Let's say that. But let us also say that if "we" are thugs who just outlined "our" plans for that day's thuggery, that "we" would be deserving of whatever lead got slung "our" way, when "we" went for "our" gun.
Or as a very wise girlfriend of mine used to say: "Awwww! Too bad! So sad!"
Another oxygen thief gets a free dirtnap from the cops.
No, the story says they were planning on "robbing a house where they thought they would find 30 kilos of cocaine".
Whole different complexion to the story than say, they were planning on "robbing a house where they thought they would find 30GB of mp3 rips of the greatest hits of Barry Manilow" or "30 cases of chads from the 2000 election"
MicroBalrog
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How so?
MicroBalrog
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So?
Let's say I purchase 30 kilograms of heroin with intent to make a profit.
You then use aggressive violence against me in order to sell the heroin yourself.
That is somehow less wrong than robbing me of, say, $30,000? 30 expensive AR-15's? 30 Playboy mags?
Let's say I purchase 30 kilograms of heroin with intent to make a profit.
You then use aggressive violence against me in order to sell the heroin yourself.
That is somehow less wrong than robbing me of, say, $30,000? 30 expensive AR-15's? 30 Playboy mags?
MicroBalrog
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Quartus, I apologize if I misunderstood. What did you intend by "whole different complexion" than?
Quartus didn't say that, Micro; Hal did.
Personally, I think it odd that folks read: "robbing a house where they thought they would find 30 kilos of cocaine," when I read "robbing a house where they thought they would find 30 kilos of cocaine." Oh, well, different folks have different priorities.
Well, I don't want to speak for Hal, who said ""whole different complexion". You'll have to ask him what his intent was.
But I can give you my interpretation.
Drug dealers have a pretty solid reputation for being violent. I will admit that it is possible there may be one or two who are pacifists, but in general, the odds are pretty good that drug dealers who are planning to rob some OTHER drug dealers have a high probability of being armed and dangerous.
Now, someone who would steal 30 cases of chads from the Florida elections is more likely to be a journalist or a political operative or a history buff. I'd say the odds of those kind of people being armed and dangerous are a bit lower than your average drug dealer.
Hmmm. Then we come to the Barry Manilow stuff. That's a bit tougher. I think, on balance though, that anyone who would steal Barry Manilow mp3s is probably NOT a member of the gansta culture, and probably not very likely to be armed and dangerous. In fact, I think it's safe to assume they'd be aging baby boomers - not a particularly dangerous group, unless you count the Klintons.
(Though I suppose a case could be made for them presenting a danger to music, but that's another discussion.)
Anyway, the point is, if a SWAT team is going to raid a group of drug dealers, they are probably expecting trouble, or at least are very aware that gunfire is a real possibility. THey are also aware that much of the public will have exactly THIS attitude:
I suspect there would be less tolerance for a police shooting of a chad stealer or a Barry Manilow fan.
Although I could be wrong about the Manilow fan.
But I can give you my interpretation.
Drug dealers have a pretty solid reputation for being violent. I will admit that it is possible there may be one or two who are pacifists, but in general, the odds are pretty good that drug dealers who are planning to rob some OTHER drug dealers have a high probability of being armed and dangerous.
Now, someone who would steal 30 cases of chads from the Florida elections is more likely to be a journalist or a political operative or a history buff. I'd say the odds of those kind of people being armed and dangerous are a bit lower than your average drug dealer.
Hmmm. Then we come to the Barry Manilow stuff. That's a bit tougher. I think, on balance though, that anyone who would steal Barry Manilow mp3s is probably NOT a member of the gansta culture, and probably not very likely to be armed and dangerous. In fact, I think it's safe to assume they'd be aging baby boomers - not a particularly dangerous group, unless you count the Klintons.
(Though I suppose a case could be made for them presenting a danger to music, but that's another discussion.)
Anyway, the point is, if a SWAT team is going to raid a group of drug dealers, they are probably expecting trouble, or at least are very aware that gunfire is a real possibility. THey are also aware that much of the public will have exactly THIS attitude:
I suspect there would be less tolerance for a police shooting of a chad stealer or a Barry Manilow fan.
Although I could be wrong about the Manilow fan.
Fred Hansen
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I've never met a marxist that didn't immediately take the side of evil. Not once.
Ben Swenson
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Wait-a-just-a-darn-minute!
MicroBalrog, are you actually defending free-market profit?
I'm shocked! Micro, you do understand that when people sell drugs, they rarely pay for socialist programs to help their fellow man by paying for his [education, health care, food, shelter, protection, clothing, etc.], don't you? Not even if the tax men ask very nicely.
Shouldn't they be robbed, arrested or killed on those grounds alone?
"[how so?]"
Micro,
The gentleman from Virginia and the lady from Tennesee nailed it.
Matter of perspective is all.
To millions of middle america - it just another *darkie with a gun* and a *drug dealing darkie at that* taking it tough.
(please note - that isn't my view)
*the 30 GB of Manilow? Well, it's ironic that after I read the question of "Bias overflow", I went back and forced myself
D) to watch the lovely Susan Barnett,,repeatedly,,
, until I caught the 30 kilos of cocaine part. I have to admit, I missed it the first time through. I happened to have a news reader up also, and was looking at the AB - news groups. I had to chuckle because here I had at my fingertips the means to "*steal*" millions of dollars worth of music......and with my luck SWAT would probably kick the door down when the Barry Manilow stuff was downloading.</banghead/>.
Now doubt about that one at all - - listening to Barry Manilow should be a capitol crime (apologies go out to his 5 or 6 remaining fans)
Micro,
The gentleman from Virginia and the lady from Tennesee nailed it.
Matter of perspective is all.
To millions of middle america - it just another *darkie with a gun* and a *drug dealing darkie at that* taking it tough.
(please note - that isn't my view)
*the 30 GB of Manilow? Well, it's ironic that after I read the question of "Bias overflow", I went back and forced myself
D) to watch the lovely Susan Barnett,,repeatedly,,, until I caught the 30 kilos of cocaine part. I have to admit, I missed it the first time through. I happened to have a news reader up also, and was looking at the AB - news groups. I had to chuckle because here I had at my fingertips the means to "*steal*" millions of dollars worth of music......and with my luck SWAT would probably kick the door down when the Barry Manilow stuff was downloading.</banghead/>.Now doubt about that one at all - - listening to Barry Manilow should be a capitol crime (apologies go out to his 5 or 6 remaining fans
)Major Kong
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The shooting is besides the point. Once the LE officers were in the position of confronting people in that situation, it was not too hard to imagine an outcome like this.
Why were they entering a room like that? What's the rush? If the people the LE officers wanted to arrest were in a room with one or two exits, then I would think it would be far less dangerous to evacuate the building and tell the folks inside to come out naked. After a day or two of taking a crap in the corner with nothing to eat or drink, they'd come out. Then you could then question them without taking out their spleen.
What I find really scary are "police" dressed up like some sort of commando outfit barging into rooms and shooting people who were PLANNING on committing a crime. How long would would this be allowed to continue to happen if these raids happened in upper middle class neighborhoods (where drug consumption goes on too)?
After a few of these kind of "actions," in the "right" neighborhoods, the LE would be reduced to Deputy Fife equipment.
ALL Americans deserve the rights they are afforded under our Constitution.
Why were they entering a room like that? What's the rush? If the people the LE officers wanted to arrest were in a room with one or two exits, then I would think it would be far less dangerous to evacuate the building and tell the folks inside to come out naked. After a day or two of taking a crap in the corner with nothing to eat or drink, they'd come out. Then you could then question them without taking out their spleen.
What I find really scary are "police" dressed up like some sort of commando outfit barging into rooms and shooting people who were PLANNING on committing a crime. How long would would this be allowed to continue to happen if these raids happened in upper middle class neighborhoods (where drug consumption goes on too)?
After a few of these kind of "actions," in the "right" neighborhoods, the LE would be reduced to Deputy Fife equipment.
ALL Americans deserve the rights they are afforded under our Constitution.
Fred Hansen
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Why demand anything of the thugs at all? Maybe just a strongly worded note asking them to reconsider their plans for armed robbery? I wouldn't want them to have to crap in the corner for a day. Much too harsh.
MicroBalrog
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Ya know, paying for other people's protection is in the constitution. It's that little "arming the militia" clause. The government can, now, decide in their infinite mercy, to give everybody a free M-16A1 and it's perfectly OK with the founders.
As per our discussion, if heroin was legal and produced by, say, Teva Inc., I'm sure they would be paying in for "socialist" programs like public education, so Thomas Jefferson (who supported it) would be satisfied.
Ben Swenson
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Nice, Micro. Way to single out a single word and redefine context. I was thinking of police and fire protection, but you know, whatever you have to do to dismiss things.
MicroBalrog
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Ben, I was joking.
However, police forces (and fire protection) are a state, not federal issue, aren't they? (except for aid in case of disasters).
However, police forces (and fire protection) are a state, not federal issue, aren't they? (except for aid in case of disasters).