Rob Pincus
New member
GLV,
I'll defer to someone else, I've got a Websters and a colliers on record.. but maybe someone in my house has been messing with my dictionaries. We'll see if anyone else has a handy definition.
I think you are forgetting that Cops are Citizens too, GLV. They have to live with the same laws that they enforce. With the possible exception of BS traffic laws, which they regularly choose not to enforce anyway. If you doubt it, get out on any interstate and see how many cars are actually getting tickets for driving over the speed limit. (no, they aren't all cops...)
We've had this discussion over and over again. Some people resent that the risks associated with police work come with a few benefits, that has always been the case. Now, a new breed of critics think that because they are capable of taking care of themselves, LEOs shouldn't be armed and trained well enough to take care of other, less capable citizens. Like I said above, as long as the gov't gives out badges and the majority of the people wants cops on the street, then cops should have the gear and training to deal with anything they might face. Including bombs, body armor, multiple threats, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Cmore: it was 41 shots and 19 hits, if we are all talking about the same "NY incident".. drastically different from your numbers.
I agree with you that LEOs need more training before they need more bullets, but I think they need both. ONE reason, IMHO, that fire/EMT personnel get more training is that they have more down time. On an LEOs "down time" he is still expected to be out in his patrol car, to deter crime and comfort the citizens. Also, When he's not arresting a suspect, or answering a call, most patrolmen are expected to be working "traffic duty."
When a house ain't burning or nowbody's dying, the Fire and EMT guys aren't expected to spend countless hours doing little more than making sure that the tires keep moving on their vehicles. If an LEO is in training, that means another LEO has to be doing his job, a job which goes on 24 hours, 7 days a week. Keeping enough officers on the road is hard enough without factoring in training, let alone with it.
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I'll defer to someone else, I've got a Websters and a colliers on record.. but maybe someone in my house has been messing with my dictionaries. We'll see if anyone else has a handy definition.
I think you are forgetting that Cops are Citizens too, GLV. They have to live with the same laws that they enforce. With the possible exception of BS traffic laws, which they regularly choose not to enforce anyway. If you doubt it, get out on any interstate and see how many cars are actually getting tickets for driving over the speed limit. (no, they aren't all cops...)
We've had this discussion over and over again. Some people resent that the risks associated with police work come with a few benefits, that has always been the case. Now, a new breed of critics think that because they are capable of taking care of themselves, LEOs shouldn't be armed and trained well enough to take care of other, less capable citizens. Like I said above, as long as the gov't gives out badges and the majority of the people wants cops on the street, then cops should have the gear and training to deal with anything they might face. Including bombs, body armor, multiple threats, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Cmore: it was 41 shots and 19 hits, if we are all talking about the same "NY incident".. drastically different from your numbers.
I agree with you that LEOs need more training before they need more bullets, but I think they need both. ONE reason, IMHO, that fire/EMT personnel get more training is that they have more down time. On an LEOs "down time" he is still expected to be out in his patrol car, to deter crime and comfort the citizens. Also, When he's not arresting a suspect, or answering a call, most patrolmen are expected to be working "traffic duty."
When a house ain't burning or nowbody's dying, the Fire and EMT guys aren't expected to spend countless hours doing little more than making sure that the tires keep moving on their vehicles. If an LEO is in training, that means another LEO has to be doing his job, a job which goes on 24 hours, 7 days a week. Keeping enough officers on the road is hard enough without factoring in training, let alone with it.
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-Essayons