Suspect shot in London (merged)

Suspected terrorist Shot In London

The prospect of having the officers capture the guy just to have him detonate a bomb vest bothers me more than the niceties of looking out for the rights of the terrorists. I made the assumption early on that the man probably got himself shot to death because the officers were concerned about not giving him a chance to push the button.
Sadly, what we are seeing there and soon to come to buses and trains near you, is a change from civilian "arrest and interrrogate" tactics to military "terminate the threat and then clean up the mess" tactics.
If our hundreds of ACLU lawyers run in to second guess the police, then next time they may hesitate that critical few seconds, and we'll get the chance to bemoan the fate of all the dead civilians that were within the blast perimeter, just like CNN slavering over our troops getting blown up in Iraq every damned day
 
I wonder if this will cause some Brits to rethink their oppressive gun bans and prosecution of self-defenders?
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I rather think that this will cause some Brits to say, "Oh gosh, just imagine if guns were legal and available, the terrorist would have had one too!" :rolleyes:

-blackmind
 
What the hell do you mean "welcome to the war on terror"? It may have escaped your attention but Britain has dealt with terrorist attacks on a regular basis for the last 30 years. Its nothing new, and it will never go away.
Yes, of course they are armed. There have always beem armed officers, just not everyone.Its funny, because there has been no mention (media or people i know or on the streets) of arming the public. Things are different there and the majority of people are happy about the gun situation. Sure, you'd hate it, but you dont live there. If more peoples and nations would "live and let live", then the world would be a better place. You think the gun laws are oppressive? Isn't the Patriot Act (and part 2) here a much bigger problem? Sure, the right to bear arms is a big issue and something which should remain, since its part of your constitution, but what about all the other amendments which are threatened? Arent they all as important? Anyway, I digress...
Not everything is about guns, and btw, could the average CHL holder shoot across a crowded train and hit a bomber in the head to prevent his bomb detonating? Could they shoot across a busy tube station at a moving target and not hit anyone else?
How would you give a guy a trial if he'd blown himself and you to pieces? The police are under orders to stop the threat if someone is a suspected suicide bomber. They did what they had to do, end of story. I guess he gave up his rights when he ran?
 
UK police shoot dead suspect suicide bomber

British cops take their gloves off - big time...

You might have heard by now, but the British police (probably Special Branch) chased a suspect suicide bomber onto a tube train, bundled him to the floor and shot him 5 times at point blank range.

Here's an eye witness report.

From the BBC website...

Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper.

"I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down'!

"I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.

"I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he's dead."

More details seem to be escaping and one eye witness report made it onto the mass media once before being pulled that suggested the BG had got 5 rounds to the head whilst held on the floor by two other officers.

Now I'm totally in favour of their actions, and the police have made it clear that they will shoot to kill any suspected suicide bomber, but I've never heard of any normal law enforcement unit being quite so 'efficient'.

Have any of you ever heard of any BG's being dispatched (in the States or anywhere else) with quite so much up 'close and personal' deadly force?

Cheers
 
In this situation, where an offender is believed to be carrying a bomb, and doesn't respond to the command to stop, the police don't have much in the way of options. It is unusual for the English police to shoot anyone. I can only assume that they've been told to act hard and fast. It's a new approach for them and it will be interesting to see how their (socialist) media deals with it.
It's only remarkable because it's uncommon in the UK. Elsewhere there are many cases where police have had to shoot, and do shoot. Quite efficiently and effectively too.
 
They would not say whether either the man killed or the men they arrested were among the four men suspected of carrying bombs onto three subway trains and a bus on Thursday. Media reported widely that the man who was shot was not one of the bombers.
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050723/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bombings

The recently deceased suspect probably thought that the Brit Police would say "STOP... OR ELSE I'LL SAY STOP AGAIN" and he chose, poorly, to continue his race away from whatever he was running from (?the LAW?).

How positively AMERICAN of the Bobbies in question. Guns, shooting multiple times, fearing for the lives of their citizens, doing their job... I cannot and will not fault them in this case. Trigger fingers are itchy, nerves a might short.
I really hope to soon see ALL of the UK LEO's carrying some type of terrorist stopping device and undergoing extensive training in it's accurate and efficient use.

It also is one more wake up call for ALL LEO's and law-abiding citizens (CCW or NO) on this side of the Atlantic, as well as ner-do-wells... THESE GUYS MEAN BUSINESS. Kid gloves are off. When they say STOP, they really mean it.

I'd not worry about the media as they'll demonize everyone involved while doing nothing to solve the problem (as if they could) except blame the US in one manner or another or advocating giving in to Al-Q demands.
Once the good people of the world have turned their cheeks so many times, the whiplash effect on the remainder of the innocent islamic or arab citizens living abroad could get ugly. Let's hope it never comes to that.
 
Don't be too hard on the Brits lack of gun knowledge

NSO /w SIG, please don't be too hard on the Brit eye witness.

Until the ban there was only 60,000 (I was one of them) shooters in the UK.

10 years on it's suprising to find a member of the public who can tell the difference between a Glock and a TV remote.
 
Oops. Seems that the recently deceased was NOT one of the bombers, and that the Bobbies were in plainclothes...

My bad and egg all over face here. Eating crow kinda sucks.

Would you have run from someone in plainclothes who claims to be a COP and is chasing you?

Hmmmmm.
 
No egg to be spread about here Baba Louie,

The facts...

The suspect left a house known to be used by the bombers which was under heavy covert survailence.

The suspect left the property wearing a heavy winter jacket, zipped up. Rather unusual considering the 28C weather we're having.

Once he broke cover, he was challanged by approx twenty officers the majority of whom were in uniform.

He ran despite being issued with an "Stop armed police, Stop or we will shoot" warning.

He was chased by three plain clothed officers wearing soft Police caps and he ran onto a tube train.

I still think the officers did their duty.

We had three other incidents the day before were suspects were challanged by armed LEO's, one of which was outside (as closr as civilians can get) 10 Downing Street, and guess how jumpy those guys would be, and because the suspect frooze and then followed every order given, he walked away without a single shot being fired.

Just my HO...
 
Ya well it may well be they reacted as instructed and with the info they had at the time but looking at the reports coming out now it looks to me like there is going to be hell to pay in the media and politics side. :(
Which may very well cause them to not shoot when they should next time causing death or injury that could have been avoided. "A policemans lot it not a happy one"...

Hollowpoint, whats the public feeling about this do you think?
 
This just went from justifiable to very bad:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23/london.tube/index.html

An unarmed Brazilian national in a sweatshirt lives in the wrong apartment building and runs from some people with guns (plainclothes police) who are shadowing him.

From the article:
"Police say the man they shot dead at a London Underground station was a Brazilian national 'not connected' with this week's attempted bombings on the city's transit system."

"During a news conference following Friday's shooting, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said 'this shooting is directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation.'"
 
Apologies for my previous posts, predicated on reports that I was getting at the time. Prayers for all those involved. I fear that this won't be the last time we'll see this. :(
 
This is just sad aint it. this could have been avoided so easily. If only the guy had stopped. Or if only the officer hadnt shot.

It is very hard to place blame anywhere now. I wish things like this just didnt have to happen.
 
In War there is Collateral Damage. Too bad, so sad.

Why was he running from police? Will we ever find out?
 
Hey that's a BRILLIANT idea. I think it's a great idea to run away from cops after 8 bombs went off in the very subway system I'm walking through. I have an even better idea! Why don't I go to New York and wear a overcoat and a HUGE backpack, then when the police determine that I should be searched, I'll run away straight for a subway car. Assuming I survive the shooting, I can then get the ACLU to sue the city for "violating my rights". Sounds about right huh!?

Over on the Discovery Channel, they would call this situation of a dumb ass running away from the police that gets shot and killed after a series of bomb detonations hours before, NATURAL SELECTION. I don't think the evolutionary gene pool was really set back any.
 
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