Sub-Paramilitary Rifles?

Not sure what its called to just shoot without mounting the gun on anything. Closest thing I could think of calling it was free handed :P Just aiming and shooting the gun pretty much.
 
Oh, that is shooting off hand. You can do that with any of those rifles. That is what they were all originally designed for. If you use a sling it makes it even easier.
 
Carrying a 10 pound rifle seems a bit too much. My arms alone weigh too much to carry along with a 10er all day. Closest gun store is a hour away from here X_X! Firing range is about 1-1.3h
 
The best thing I can come up with for you then would be a Daewoo ar100, or k2.

You can get one for about $1300 used, they have a side folding stock, are relatively light at about 8 pounds, use ar15 mags, they function very reliably and you don't see very many of them at all.
 
If they're legal where you live, and you're willing to jump through the hoops (similar to full-auto or suppressors), you can look into Short-Barreled Rifles (SBR). Think of these as a 'rifle-caliber pistol' with a shoulder stock.
From Wikipedia: "Short-barreled rifle (SBR) is a legal designation in the United States, referring to a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm with a barrel length of less than 16 inches (40.6 cm) or overall length of less than 26 inches (66.0 cm). In the United States, an SBR is an item regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) as an NFA firearm. In the absence of local laws prohibiting ownership, American civilians may own an SBR provided it is registered with the BATFE, and a $200 tax is paid prior to taking possession of or creating the firearm."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-barreled_rifle
 
One option that might work for a pseudo SBR, is a 14.5" barrel with a permanently attached flashhider/muzzle break/compensator. I don't know if WA law covers that but as far as the Feds are concerned as long as it comes out to 16" total with the muzzle device and 26" OAL it's not an SBR/NFA item.
 
UnbearablePanda as to submachine gun is more a closer term than sub-paramilitary rifle for what you were looking for. There are many pistol and rifle versions to be had like I mentioned earlier in semi auto. They can and are fun. I should have clarified that earlier I think.

Just fyi on prices for ammo for PS90, most stores and websites have a high price on a box of ammo, but in truth can be found for near the same price as 5.56mm/223 rem. Now is it harder to find heck yeah it is, thus I do not take out my PS90 as much.
 
I still say the Kriss issues you mentioned are a very isolated incident. In the years its been out I've never heard a single knock against it, other then someone couldn't see the use for it!

But anywho, instead of a short barrel, have you looked at "pistol" AR's?? I dont know how laws were written where you are, but it'd give you basically a sling mounted rifle-without the stock.....
 
love it when people think the P90 and MP7s are new concepts... look at the C96 mauser designed in 1896... the 7.63x25 mauser it fired then was hotter than it is now, more powerful than the 5.7, would be great at defeating armor, though they didnt have it then, came with a shoulder stock which made it as compact to shoulder fire as a P90... and oh yeah, they made select fire versions to turn it into an all out 100+ year old PDW
 
Jason I was thinking more modern because of current productions and what I know. C96 would be nice, C&R with original stock could be the way to go. However how I understand is if you have a reproduction stock it must be SBR.

Speaking of older submachine guns, there is the PSH 41s and PSH 43s that were made recently that use the 7.25 tok round that is very much a nice armour piercing round.
 
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