Sub-Paramilitary Rifles?

you pay 200.00 per automatic one time fee per gun. Talk to some of the other members here they can tell you what BATF form to use if you so desire to own a machine gun (the form number has always eluded me)
 
And who the hell said the Kriss was unreliable?!? :eek:

My buddy picked one up about 3 years ago. And that thing ran BEAUTIFULLY. Not one single malfunction in 1,500 rounds (AFTER you thoroughly clean out the cosmoline)

The only problems I've ever seen or heard about, is when you start getting mags from other manufacturers. As they are extended Glock mags, knockoffs don't work worth a crap
 
I sit corrected :P But, that sounds like a LOT of money to just own a auto X_X Sauer in a HK USC vs Kriss Vector range report. Kriss failed to feed 5-15 times due to the firing pin in the vector.
 
Pistol caliber carbines/submachineguns still have some use for police and civilians where there is a need to limit the range and power. But most militaries have stopped using them, preferring selective fire carbines that employ the same ammunition as the rifle. If they can get rifle power from a weapon not significantly larger than the classic sub gun and without significantly greater recoil, why bother with 9mm or .45? Which would you rather not be hit by - a 9mm or a 5.56?

Jim
 
Dude, 200+250 on taxes alone is a lot for nothing. I could spend that on thousands of other stuff. Not sure if you donate 200 a week but your call. Not all of us are rich. Maybe your just not thinking straight ATM.
 
Wow, you're pretty defensive aren't you?

All I was saying was that the $200 for the tax is nothing compared to the minimum you would end up paying for a full auto firearm. It would be at least $3,000 for a MAC and the price just climbs from there.

Rich? No. Not thinking straight? At least I don't go spouting off a bunch of BS about the legality of things before I have any idea what I'm talking about.
 
For a machine gun 3000 is cheap. Your not going to expect something with multiple restrictions for to be cheap. And no it wasn't bs since they taught me that at different schools. Your blaming the wrong person here. Not really defensive either, just showing why you arent even giving a response to my original topic. Yet, your trolling here.
 
It would appear then the people that taught you the BS are ill informed as well. Not trolling ether. Just responding to your misinformation.

What kind of price range are you looking at? There are some low end pistol caliber carbines that go for a few hundred dollars and all the way up to a several thousand.
 
Sorry for arguing. But I was actually told that by multiple police officers. Sadly enough :confused: But not completely sure. There is such a broad spectrum of guns that I dont even know what is what anymore.
 
Yeah my old boss had a police officer try to arrest him while he was shooting his legal MG. He told him to go call his Sargent and come back and tell him what he said. The officer was told to apologize and leave him alone.

First things first, what kind of money do you have to spend?
 
Something reliable unusual, with the ability to sweep rooms fast.
Was actually thinking on just buying a DSA sa58 instead. With all these new guns popping out of no where. I'm still trying to find a bullpup of some sort.
 
I have a DSA sa58, and its definitely nice. The ammo is a little pricey, but mine will eat any cheap crap that I put in it. Im working through a good stockpile of brown bear right now. Its a very nice rifle, but not something I would want to "sweep rooms".

The PTR 91 GI model is pretty nice also, same type of ammo as the FAL clone though.

FS200 rifles are selling for a little less than your price point right now. That would fit the bill as something you could do "sweep rooms" with.

PS90s are nice, but the ammo can be expensive and isn't nearly as common as 223 and the like.

There are also quite a few mp5 clones being offered. The best seems to be vector arms. You might like those.
 
Which version of the SA58 did you buy from the website? They have over 12 selections and just looking through them all for the tiniest difference is a pain. I may just end up buying the FAL than secondary a shotgun.
 
Well, I purchased the STG58 with the 21 inch barrel and folding bipod.

Most of the sa58s seem to be similar.

Do you want a side folding stock? That is something that cannot be changed later (to my knowledge at least, or not with a great deal of changes).

I personally think with the round, it does not make a lot of sense to get a short 16 barrel, though you will see a nice fireball out of the end.

They make some with a different top cover that has rail on it. You might want to get that if you want to mount a scope.

If you plan on putting a bunch of crap on the front, you can get a quad rail for it also, though I feel like the rifle is generally heavy enough by itself.
 
How heavy is a SA58? I didn't even think about the weight till you mentioned it :eek: In a world ends scenario arsenal Ak47/74 or sa58? Was thinking about grabbing the SA58 Para Elite and taking off the flashlight infront.
 
My FAL weighs in at about10 pounds and my ak74 is about 7. Unloaded for both.

We don't talk about the end of the world thing here, but as far as a go to rifle, I have no idea which would pick. I have gotten enough ammo and magazines for each rifle I own.
 
FAL weighs as much as a socom2?! That is crazy. Gah, cant figure out what gun to buy. Fs2000 is completely overpriced and probably a nogo. FAL is too heavy. PS90 bullets are expensive long run. Scout/socom is also very heavy. Not looking for pistol carbine weapons. GAH X_X. Gotta find a rifle that can be free handed.
 
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