Sub-Paramilitary Rifles?

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UnbearablePanda

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Been thinking CQW would be mostly like the PS90 and GSG. But, I cannot for the love of god find any other sub-paramilitary rifles. Anyone sporting one? Only other person I know is my brothers friend who has a MP35 was only allowed to keep being in the army for some time.
 
I like the phrase "pistol-caliber carbine"

and the vector can be had semi auto. I think they make an ATF-rifle and ATF-pistol. And i think the hottest way to do it is SBR the rifle.

I would look at the CX4 and AR's in pistol calibers as well.
 
The vector comes in a semi-auto version. clicky for a mere $1700 it can be yours! :eek:

Not sure if you were mixing up the mp7 and the USC, but the USC is the semi auto version of the UMP.
 
Interesting. Does anyone own any of these to give input on how well they perform accuracy wise?

Yea went to a random site with a list of sub machine guns and saw the beauty mp7 xD had to name it off.
 
Oh wow. Kriss Vector, from most persons' experiance a 2-10 feed jam within 50 rounds....... Not very reliable X_x

List of Possibilities :

Hk USC
FNH Ps90
 
If you want to go the Don't Scare the Neighbors route, check out the used rifle market for the out of production Marlin Camp carbines, in either 9mm or .45.
They look like overgrown .22s, using easy to find pistol magazines.
Very non offensive looking and good shooting, too.
Ruger used to, and maybe still does, make a 9mm carbine.
Just a thought or two.
 
To me, I don't really care about the neighbors. Since the level of the houses in my area are so weird even if it went through. I doubt it would even hit they're house. Like my backyard neighbor you would have to aim from my roof to hit the 1st level of the house and my side neighbor to the right is below my 1st level and my front and right neighbor is all above my 1st level.

Is their any other bullpup babies worth mentioning?
 
Well just to have a as a CQW while being able to compete with my friends. Since whoever loses/whoever is the last 2 in scores. Has to buy drinks for everyone. Also, to make the gun look beautiful. SR420 has modded his ar15 to quite some beauty.
 
The HK USC in .45ACP is a nice carbine. Mine has performed flawlessly since '02 when I purchased it new. It's fun to shoot out to 75 yards and it moves the .45 along smartly with it's 16" barrel.
 
They are called Submachine guns or PDW

What caliber you want to play in? 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP for submachine guns? Or 5.7x28mm Personal Defesne Weapon (FN PS90)?

Pistol caliber submachine guns you have H&K MP5 series(available in 9mm and 40 S&W), the USC .45 ACP; battle hardened Uzis in 9mm; MAC 10 in 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, and 5.7x28mm; VZ Scorpion in .32 ACP, and .380 Auto; Thompson machine gun from WWII; PSH 41 and 43 from Russia; KRISS in .45 ACP that takes Glock magazines.

Then you get in to the only civilian legal PDW which is the FN PS90.

Of those I perfer PS90 and MP5. PS90 if SBR is a handy PDW with 50 rounds capacity. MP5 in various configurations in 9mm is uber realiable.



Note: MP7 not civilian legal nor is the ammo to my knowledge
 
What is a civilian use? What does sub paramilitary mean? I've certainly never heard of that term before. Neither has Google for that matter.

I've see plenty of people shooting their sub-machine guns at the range. Does that count as civilian use?

What kind of rifles do your friends have? Do you like shooting any of them?
 
Other than laws specifying that you cannot have a gun that can shoot more than 1 bullet with 1 trigger. Even 9mm machine guns are illegal "LAREDO, TX—Jose Eduardo Munoz, 28, and Alfredo Israel Zendejo Jr., 22, both Laredo residents and convicted felons, have each been sentenced to serve 10 years in federal prison for illegal possession of a machine gun" So anyway. Sub "paramilitary" I just grabbed from my other thread on finding a rifle that is LEGAL. I'm not here to get a black market gun. Well I've played with my friends ak47 SKS a few times and was not liking how it felt. Seemed like something was off about it. Rifle wise not sure what models they were, but my dad won 3 champs with them. He let me shoot trap when I was younger with 'em and they were quite accurate with great feeling.
 
So long as you within the parimeters of the federal laws and follow the state and local guide lines that are required you can file for a Class 3 to get a sub machine gun so long as they are legally registered.

House Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332 to ban the civilian ownership or transfer of any fully-automatic weapon which was not registered by May 19, 1986. However, any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.



You cannot own one if you are guilty of any of the following

■Anyone who has been convicted in any court of, a felony punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year, excluding those crimes punishable by imprisonment related to the regulation of business practices.
■Anyone who is a fugitive from justice.
■Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance.
■Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution.
■Any alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa. The exception is if the nonimmigrant is in possession of a valid hunting license issued by a US state.
■Anyone who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions.
■Anyone who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship.
■Anyone that is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner. (Added in 1996, with the Lautenberg Amendment.)
■Anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. (Added in 1996, with the Lautenberg Amendment)[6]
■A person who is under indictment or information for a crime (misdemeanor) punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding two years cannot lawfully receive a firearm. Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information, and if cleared or acquitted can receive firearms without restriction.

as far as I know Texas does not have any restrictions on ownership of machine guns. But the misconception of you cant own a machine gun is a myth. (California laws may vary they are funny that way)
 
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