Stupid Horders...

One of my favorite TV shows in the 80s was the A Team. The actual Ruger Ac556 Auto Rifles they used were for sale not too long ago, but the word was that they had literally millions of rounds pumped through them.
 
I think Sandy Hook provided something of a Perfect storm politically for gun rights. It didn't go anywhere. I think most people have noticed that fact at this point. My hope is that future reactions to such crisis will be limited.

Not saying I haven't priced a pallet of Pmags to hold as an investment...
 
Hoarders

Jeep.......SNYPER is dead-on (no pun intended, SNYPER). Next time, get the product first, THEN get lunch. Or in the least... tell them you're on your way and to hold "X" number for you. Lesson learned?!
WILL
 
Machineguntony said:
One of my favorite TV shows in the 80s was the A Team. The actual Ruger Ac556 Auto Rifles they used were for sale not too long ago, but the word was that they had literally millions of rounds pumped through them.
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That show was awesome; "I just love it when a plan comes together!"

Those Rugers were soooo cool, even with shoot out barrels they'd be sweet to own, could even rebarrel if one wanted them to be shooters.

When I was a kid in the 80's we'd run around outside all summer with our GI Joes & cap guns going on "missions" around the neighborhood and arguing over who got to be Hannibal or Mr.T or Murdoch (none of us wanted to be Face, though).
 
How about the 5.56 ban? Bet many wish they bought some and more.

I keep 5k to 10k primers on hand and I am not a volume sahooter. Also have dozen+ of different powders because I can load for almost every handgun and rifle caliber I have from 22 Hornet to 416 Rigby and 380 to 454.
 
I did'nt know there was a 5.56 ban . I try to stay prepped for anything but I do my research on what Im prepping for .
 
ATF has already changed their regulation that had exempted the common green tip 62 grain as armor piercing. It was previously exempt. They put out BS for a review period but had already changed their reg before review period was announced. Obama wanted this.
 
I like hoarders. I have made a lot of money over the years timing the market. There are certain items you can stock up on dirt cheap after "the run" and then unload during the next "scare." It works like this.
1. Panic buying
2. Supplies disappear
3. Manufacturers gear up to meet panic demand
4. They glut the market
5. Prices fall lower than they were before the panic
6. At this point, the smart people stock up.
7. Next panic comes
8. Price surges through the ceiling
9. Smart people now unload.
It is a repeatable continuous cycle.
 
I can only speak from my experience (s) in Sweden. The ammo shortage that started in the States has hit Europe also. Top Shot (CCI) is (was?) quite popular here. The reason for a drop in popularity is the scarcity and the price jumped 45%. XXL, a large sporting goods store chain here, used to sit on 5000 round cases. I have seen people leaving the store with those "pull along" shopping carts that had three cases (15000) rounds in them. They were shopping for clubs. No hoarding here. We do shoot what we get.

The follow-up problem we have in Europe is the demand from the States for ammunition products. Norma does keep on hold a sufficient amount of .22 for Scandinavian stores and clubs. But once that is gone we wait for another year. It has come to the point clubs send a "wish list" to their distributors who pass the numbers on to Norma who send just that amount to Scandinavia and then the rest goes out to Europe and elsewhere.

We had four new members this year, all four want to get in competition seriously and need .22. Those in the club who "bought out the order" now have to share as best they can.

As for the curiosity here in this part of the world, does anyone know if additional companies in the USA are coming on board and making ammunition? We heard when the military began to downsize, for example, some companies who lost business with them re-tooled to nothing but .22 and they cannot keep up with demand.

Any end in sight?
 
I finally had enough of being reliant on loaded ammo for my shooting hobby after Sandy Hook. I decided to go balls deep into handloading. And while I still purchase loaded ammo here and there if I see a decent deal, I am moving much more aggressively in the direction of stockpiling reloading components vs ammo. Your invested dollar goes much farther with components vs loaded ammo. I have enough components to load about 14K rounds between 8 different calibers. No matter what "panic" hits the gun world I have a solid backup.
 
ExPatYankee
I can only speak from my experience (s) in Sweden. The ammo shortage that started in the States has hit Europe also. Top Shot (CCI) is (was?) quite popular here.
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From 2012 to 2014, I argued every day with an economics major about investing. He kept saying the USA is exporting inflation by printing too much money, all the while being the default currency of the world.

While I did not agree with him that the dollar is about to fail or that a failed dollar would affect me, I could predict the USA would export 22 ammo shortages with our hoarding.

He was buying Gold and farms in Uruguay, while I was buying AAPL.
I am up 100% and I don't have to fly to Uruguay to monitor harvest.
My relatives are STILL getting out of Sweden.
 
Is there any way to keep political talk out of the shortage discussion...... It was politics that caused the "gun-run", which in turn became a shortage for everything firearms, which in turned got a lot of people needing ammo, which in turn made lots of people start reloading, which in turn caused our shortages. But the root of all the cause was political.

I read an interesting article in the Huffington about the increase in firearm sales. The old grumpy gun store owner they interviewed said "our business always does a lot better when democrats are in office, which is funny since all the gun store owners I know always vote republican.....". Thought that was cool, that they at least put some type of principles over profits unlike some businesses. He also said that if we put a republican back in office next year, he think gun sales will go stagnant for awhile, until the next political crisis. This is all truth, its not being hateful or bias to bring politics into the discussion, its just unavoidable
 
Its been about 2 years since I last purchased .22 ammo. Got a box of 225 through a friend that works at Wal Marts sporting goods department. Last time I held a brick in my hands the shop owner wanted $79 plus tax for it. I respectfully declined. Besides, I don't shoot my .22's much anymore.
 
Politics belong in the discussion. Anyone that doesn't recognize that there is a political element(liberal), that is trying to limit, eliminate, or handicap the law abiding American citizen from purchasing ammo, guns, or anything related, is just being naive or, is absolutely part of the conspiracy to do so. It doesn't take scholar intelligence or a sociology degree to see that reality. What it does take is the willingness to acknowledge the responsible party/parties attempting this and acting accordingly. If we let them, these people will take our freedoms and our Bill of Rights away from us. Regardless of what party they represent.

If everyone would look at it like this, we wouldn't be having these discussions. The sole intent of the America our founding fathers and following leaders intended was not to be as is today. We are run by dictators of two parties. Men that decide for the future of America based on the betterment of themselves. Not on the will of the people. From where I stand and the facts present, both parties are guilty. One is just more outspoken and empowered to do so. Beat that one back and then, restructure the other. God Bless
 
If you try to quantify the control loop in supply and demand, at some point it goes through human emotions and the quantification is less scientific than chamber pressure measurement. We know there is some gain there, and we can sort of bound it, but it is very fuzzy... like chamber pressure. You are not going to validate and verify all the way back to NIST.
 
Anyone that doesn't recognize that there is a political element(liberal), that is trying to limit, eliminate, or handicap the law abiding American citizen from purchasing ammo, guns, or anything related, is just being naive or, is absolutely part of the conspiracy to do so.
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Actually, I disagree with this portion of your post.
I have liberal friends that are strong proponents of the RKBA. Add to that a couple of them also reload, hunt, target shoot and collect firearms.
I think the correct "element", if one is really required, is anti-gun individuals and groups. Yes, politics is part of the discussion. But the sweeping generalization(s) shouldn't be.
 
I know another engineer who is hundreds of pounds overweight, and says, "I am your worst enemy, a liberal with a gun!"

He is kind of scary when he says that.
And his family goes on picnics with other liberals with guns families, where they eat and shoot.

Back on hoarding.... I have been hoarding barrels for decades.
Last year it took 9 months for my Shilen select match barrels to arrive.
It is ok if I hoard, but other people hoarding barrels is making trouble.
 
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