Stupid Horders...

I buy two bricks of primers every gun show I go to. They are $30 a brick as opposed to $40 locally. I have all the primers and powder I can store. It's bullets I struggle to catch a deal on these days.
 
Stupid Horders...

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I buy local when I can,
So the gun shop calls and says they got 10 bricks of small rifle primers...
I get dressed for the weather, get lunch, show up at the gun shop, and all 10 bricks are gone!

The guy also bought up all 10 bricks of .22 Long Rifle ammo that came in.

It will probably show up at the local gun show next weekend for 1,000% increase in price...
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Didn't you hear; the shortage is over. :rolleyes:
A guy posted on another forum that .22 rimfire is available in my city for seven cents a round. I haven't seen a round for less than ten cents in three or four years, and prior to seeing two boxes at that price very recently, it was closer to fifteen cents.
Nothing on the shelves, but they tell me when they get their ammo deliveries, so I can stand in line when the doors open.
 
from: Pathfinder45
Priorities?

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I feel for ya, JeepHammer. But there are lessons to be learned from this so you don't let it happen again. You had every advantage in the fact that they called you to give you a heads-up. While on the phone, did you not ask them to hold some back for you as you were hastening on your way? I can't believe you ate lunch! You must not have really needed the ammo and primers. They told you they had primers, ammo and such, but you had other priorities. You have only yourself to blame.
Eating is way over-rated in this country.........
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Hmmm, cheeseburgers (of which there is an abundance of) or reloading supplies (which tend to disappear from shelves as quick as they appear).

Which to get first?

Looks like the cheeseburgers have a higher priority.

Your failure to follow the "7P's" bit you in your cheeseburger storage.
 
This is not a short term spike or a seasonal issue. I know people getting into guns that used to be the average (non gun enthusiast).
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I believe this too. There are more firearm owners than ever; and thus, more demand than ever. I wish the companies pivotal to our sport would respond; but it would seem, they see it otherwise.
 
I have been in manufacturing for some now. Sometimes it can take up to 2 or 3 years in order to increase production. That is after the decision is made to do so. Specialized tooling can take 6 months to be delivered. it is not like a company can run down to the hardware store and get what they need. Machines can and do take up to a year for delivery. A machine we ordered took 14 months for design, manufacturing, and testing. Another 60 days for shipping and US customs delays. It was made in Italy because no one in the US makes them. I went to Rome for 2 weeks during testing. But that is another story.
As I understand it both Winchester and CCI are in the process of upgrading 22lr production lines. So if that is true we will soon see and increase in availability.
 
They don't have to invent anything and manufacturing primer, powder, brass, bullets or ammunition is not complicated at all. This stuff had been around for ages, most of it unaltered in decades.

I asked Accurate 2 weeks ago, here the answer:

"Number 9 is made for us by St. Marks Powder in Florida. They have recently increased their production capacity greatly and have promised us powder by summer.

Rob"

They just RECENTLY reacted to an extreme increase in demand which is what, almost 2 years going on now?

They had been sleeping.. I'm tellin'ya.


What does your company manufacture?
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Carbon fiber products.
 
If you needed 748 you should buy that BLC2. It's almost the same thing, maybe better.
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I like W748 in .223/5.56. Meters so well. Is W748 the same as BLC2 like W231 is the same as HP38?

Looking at reloading data, it's similar but not identical.

Thanks for the tip...I could go back tomorrow...
 
No, BLC2 and W-748 are not identical, but darn near. I believe they are both made by the same company, i.e., St. Marks. IIRC, BLC was originally formulated for WWII American made 303 British ammo which was sold off post-war as surplus and pulled down, repackaged by Hodgdon as BL-C. It was a useful propellant for a wide variety of cartridges and downright optimum for several. After it was all used up, Hodgdon contracted for more to be made, calling it BL-C(2) to differentiate from the original. Some of it's best applications are 223, 308, 303, 8x57, and 30-30 Winchester. I use it in 30-30 in which it will deliver some of the highest velocities at the lowest pressures.
 
All the stores i been to all have primers for all that you need.even shotgun ones also.Like stated there is more gun owners now and more getting into reloading and things will take time to get up to stay on the shelfs .But the way things are going do not know when if it dose .If you need something and told it is there ask them to hold it if not they say pay it on the phone and go and get it.As for saying to pick up lunch first then you do not need it as bad as you think you do because for all the time this been going on, you get when it is there because it will not last.But also watch the price also if you are willing to pay what is being ask for.Just because some one stack up on what they need do not hold it
them to be on the wrong side.Because this is a free country that is left to it and if some one is able to do it then good for them. Do not call a horder stupid because some might call me for getting ready for all this before it had started this 2nd time.
 
They don't have to invent anything and manufacturing primer, powder, brass, bullets or ammunition is not complicated at all. This stuff had been around for ages, most of it unaltered in decades.
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They don't have to "invent" anything, but they may have to build a larger facility, order all the machinery, get it all set up, and hire and train new people.

Those things can take time, and all the while they have kept working at maximum capacity
 
Instead of complaining some folks need to get with it and find what they need and buy when they can . If you rely on others to have it in stock when you want it you will find empty shelfs or high prices .
I do not think this is short term , I think its a part of the shooting World now .
I budget for ammo and reloading supplies every pay day , this week I was fortunate enough to find .357 Mag's at the local big box retailer and Hoarder'ed up . Not sure if I spelled it right either .
McCarthy I like the term Libtard Think I'll start using it .
 
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This seems to be a permanent part of shooting

Yes it does. Ammo and components may be available in some places, but in others not so much. This has been going on since 2008 when the gun people first scared themselves into this mess based on politics. None of the feared legislation happened, but we are stuck in this everlasting loop of shortages or just plain unavailability.

So shooters and hand loaders are now required to search for stuff they use for fun and recreation, and often cannot buy on an "as needed" basis. Buying some things on line is good, because purchases can often be made for less than at the local shop. It galls me to spend money out of my local area, because that eliminates sales tax revenue and income for the local economy. But we must do what we must do.

The one last thing on my mind is, how many activities are there where participants have to spend their time searching for supplies? Golfers would be annoyed as heck if they couldn't purchase golf balls and tee's without scrounging around on the internet every evening for a few minutes just to get enough tees/balls to play golf this spring. Same with tennis players. Same with fishermen. So this is not, IMHO, something that is common to all sports. Why not? Because politics damned seldom has any influence on anything for fishing supplies or golf balls. But shooting has become a lightening rod, and shooters are reacting to spooks.

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The Gun Shop called to tell me they were HOLDING a brick for me...
The 'Kid' sold them to a customer of his without asking,
Against the store policy of two bricks at a time.

He also sold every single .22 LR round that came in, TO THE SAME GUY...

What's going on around here (Souther Indiana) is we have people brag about having 500,000 rounds 'Stockpiled'...
Guys regularly stand around and brag about having hundreds of pounds of powder, primers, ect. 'Stockpiled'...

A few years back, we had a guy that BATFE investigated, over 3 MILLION rounds of ammo, 700 pounds of surplus military ball powder,
ALL IMPROPERLY STORED in a residential neighborhood.

He through a fit about WWII surplus ammo stored in a yard barn that had rotted through, and was spilling ammo into his neighbors yard and a public alleyway...

Nothing like mowing your yard and hitting live rounds,
Or the garbage truck collecting trash and running over live rounds...
Not to mention the neighborhood kids finding the rounds, which is what tipped the police to the situation.

That's neither here nor there,
What happened to good manners?
Do you eat the entire cake when you go visit someone?

Anyway, next week the owner GUARANTEED me he will hold the primers I need to complete the run I'm doing now.
So I sit on my thumbs for a week, or this weekend, I'll be able to visit the gun show and pay 5 times the going rate for a brick of primers to complete the run...
 
10 bricks of primers is only 10,000. That's a 10 year supply to some folks, only a few weeks to others. I don't shoot all that much, but recently bought 5 bricks of primers because I could. They're about 30% gone already. Wish I had bought 10 bricks.

10 bricks of .22 LR (3000-5000 rounds) might be a bit much, but here again, who's to say how much the guy shoots? He may be flipping them, maybe not. That would only be 10 trips to the range for some folks.

It sounds more like the problem was the 'Kid' not adhering to store policy, not the "horder" buying while he had the chance. Just saying.
 
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