Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance

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I have a number of my friends in CA and I jokingly refer to it as the People's Republic of California on occassion - I even sent one a letter addressed as such! - but I don't see that it really helps get a point across in regards to colleges and universities. :o
 
Well if you truly believe college professors in "California" in general possess the same level of political thought as those in states wherein free speech is still somewhat allowed on campus, then why would you not simply assume I mispelled the word?

What would prompt you to ask the question in the first place? If you believed "California" college professors were not the least bit leftist in political leanings, wouldn't it stand to reason that you would have not immediately just assumed I just hit a wrong key?

Since you apparantly feel there is no difference at all in the general political thought of employees at the majority of California's colleges as opposed to say, the majority of professors at say, Baylor, let's just agree that I don't know much about California.
 
"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

"The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would attend every board meeting to salute the flag.
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Patriotic she may be, but her arguments are emotional and logically bankrupt. This vote hardly takes America away from her.

"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

Bell said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.
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Socialist or not, he at least makes good arguments on this issue.
 
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"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

This kid finds God offensive? Well then why is he going to college? Don't you go to college to obtain a degree which you will someday use to get a job which you will be paid to do? Doesn't our money say "In God we trust"? I would be glad to take all of his money if he is so offended by God. He finds God offensive! What a coincidence! I find atheists offensive and therefore find the absence of "Under God" in the pledge to be offensive to me and my religion. So, shouldn't they cater to me like the do for this atheist/socialist idiot?
 
Well if you truly believe college professors in "California" in general possess the same level of political thought as those in states wherein free speech is still somewhat allowed on campus, then why would you not simply assume I mispelled the word?
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What college in California did you attend? To the best of my knowledge none of the CalTech professors really give a damn about politics as much as using science and math to understand the mysteries of the universe. Also, isn't UC Berkley - considered one of the most liberal schools in the nation - also the home to one of the largest student Republican groups in the nation? Yep yep, I think it is.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that free speech is not allowed on CA campuses any more or less than any other state. :confused:
What would prompt you to ask the question in the first place? If you believed "California" college professors were not the least bit leftist in political leanings, wouldn't it stand to reason that you would have not immediately just assumed I just hit a wrong key?
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There are liberal and conservative professors across the country. Unless you have some definitive evidence to suggest that California is home to an unproportional number of them then I really don't see your point.
Since you apparantly feel there is no difference at all in the general political thought of employees at the majority of California's colleges as opposed to say, the majority of professors at say, Baylor, let's just agree that I don't know much about California.
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I don't really know for sure. I never studied in California though I would love to get my doctorate at CalTech. I would assume Baylor, being a Baptist university and all, would have fewer liberal professors. Good for them but that doesn't mean that California as a whole has more liberals than say the University of Florida, Georgia Tech, FAMU, MIT, UIC, Northwestern, UMich...the list really goes on.

Some of my friends in southern California have mentioned liberal professors but - surprise surprise - it's limited to those teaching courses in which political ideologies are relevant. And yet we still have no actual proof that California hosts more liberal professors than any other state. It's simply assumed because California is typically a blue state but we all know what happens when we assume.
 
This kid finds God offensive? Well then why is he going to college? Don't you go to college to obtain a degree which you will someday use to get a job which you will be paid to do? Doesn't our money say "In God we trust"? I would be glad to take all of his money if he is so offended by God. He finds God offensive! What a coincidence! I find atheists offensive and therefore find the absence of "Under God" in the pledge to be offensive to me and my religion. So, shouldn't they cater to me like the do for this atheist/socialist idiot?
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No offense but that's pretty lousy logic.

Just because the money mentions god - and I honestly believe it ought to be removed on the next redesign - doesn't mean that having a job in some way entitles one to accept any kind of religion. He didn't say he found god offensive, he said he found the idea of pledging allegience to a flag under one particular god is offensive. I agree; if I recite the pledge with that statement then it's a bold faced lie because I don't believe in that god. My entire "pledge" goes out the window because I don't believe every word of it.

If you find atheists offensive, fine. That doesn't mean that those who find god offensive should have to recite something they don't believe in.
 
Redworm...

Yes, I do fine atheism offensive. It is a slap in the face to God and to our savior Jesus Christ! He gave his life for all of us and to not worship him is a slap in the face. I recieved an e-mail from the pastor of my church this Saturday (veterans day) that contained one of the best quotes I've ever heard.

"Remember on a day such as today that there are only two people willing to give their life to save yours. They are Jesus and the American Soldier."
 
That last post about defines the words "vapidly intolerant, bordering on xenophobically bigoted". The sheer grandiosity of it simply overwhelms me.

On that note, Thread Closed.
Rich Lucibella
 
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