Stop school shootings...

When it (and a whole lot of other self-destructive behaviors) was socially unacceptable, there was a whiole lot less of it.

The way we run welfare in this country, it PAYS to engage in behaviors that are self destructive.
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There may have been less of it, but that doesn't explain what being born out of wedlock has to do with school shootings... Nor is a child out of wedlock a self-destructive act. A child out of an unhealthy relationship is self destructive, but I've seen plenty of unhealthy marriages in my time, so the wedlock aspect is not pertinent to the issue, IMO.

Frankly, social stigmas are one of the very reasons that people feel they are failures or feel the pressure of peer expectations and then go off the rails....

Adding irrelevant pressures to the mix don't help...
 
Everyone keeps mentioning health care.

If offend someone, so be it. I don't consider mental health to be a real science. I looked into it because I had a mentally ill family member. They have little understanding of how the mind works and they have no cure for any serious condition. All they can do is drug away some symptoms. Many of the drugs have adverse affects, especially when a person suddenly stops them.

If mental health could be managed better, Might be a solution.

Many times I've found myself to be the smartest person in the room.... That's pretty awkward when your in the DRs office.

Bad doctors can become doctors as well. Many are gifted people, many are not.
 
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Kids today grow up marinating in a culture that celebrates senseless violence. I think that addressing that culture would be a step in the right direction.
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Whatever we're doing (more guns, more violent TV and games, etc) must be working. Violent crime has been steadily decreasing for several decades. Why would you want to change it?

Don't be distracted by the internet and 24 hour news channels. Do a little research on your own. A good place to start on violent crimes is the "FBI Violent Crime Report" published by the FBI every year:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...olent-crime-topic-page/violentcrimemain_final

When considering 5- and 10-year trends, the 2013 estimated violent crime total was 12.3 percent below the 2009 level and 14.5 percent below the 2004 level. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)

There were an estimated 367.9 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2013, a rate that declined 5.1 percent when compared with the 2012 estimated rate. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)
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Violent crime is at about it's lowest level in 25 years. See attached chart at bottom of post. Homicides are at their lowest level in 50 years:

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4863

The U.S. homicide rate declined by nearly half (49%), from 9.3 homicides per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1992 to 4.7 in 2011, falling to the lowest level since 1963.
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Yes, overall violent crime is down. And yet we keep having this discussion. Everything is not fine and dandy.
 
In reality, America has embraced the gun culture, and has for hundreds of years. One reason there are hundreds of millions of guns in the country. That means there will always be some crazy out there with easy access to a gun that will use it to hurt someone else. We have to accept that if we want to continue to have our own easy access to firearms. Many here already have by always carrying for SD. It's the risk we assume as a gun loving culture. If we want this culture to continue as it is without bans and registration, increase BGCs, etc, etc, then we must be willing to go the distance not only to protect ourselves when on the street, but our children when they are in school. Whether it be higher school taxes to pay for increased security or a tax on firearms themselves to help pay. If we want our guns, we need to walk the walk and not just talk the talk and help with the solution instead of whining about everyone else's proposals on the internet. It is our job to help find a solution.
 
School shootings are an inherent problem in a culture of freedom and responsibility.

Giving up some your freedoms in hopes that it will increase a deranged person's responsibility for their actions is a losing proposition.

Benjamin Franklin had it figured out several hundred years ago:

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
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What about the daycare down the street? Do we guard them, too.
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We cant guard everything, that is why its simply a matter of a security and risk assessment. If 90% of the time these bad things are happening in Malls , schools and places where there are hundreds of people... thats a good place to start ramping up security. Its a matter of profiling, assessing and socratic reasoning.
 
Frankly, social stigmas are one of the very reasons that people feel they are failures or feel the pressure of peer expectations and then go off the rails....

Adding irrelevant pressures to the mix don't help...
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Seems to me, most of these people were socially (and some chemically) mollycoddled through their formative years into believing they deserved to be treated like winners, without regard to their own actions and therefore merit .... and got out there in the real world, and could not deal with the fact that who they had become was not socially acceptable...... rather than accept that you have to behave in certain ways to be accepted in society, these overinflated egos lash out at those that won't go gaga over their socially unacceptable selves....... they see no authority greater than themselves, and no goals greater than their own immediate gratification in the moment.

It seems to me that you support further mollycoddling ...... am I correct in this?
 
I have read all the postings .

I am also an old man and have seen a lot .
We are running out of men but dealing with children in adult form ..
 
It seems to me that you support mollycoddling ...... am I correct in this?
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No. That is not what I said. The notion raised was that a child born of an unmarried couple is automatically bad and this for me is about conformity.

Social acceptability (conformity) is not the same as social responsibility. I advocate the latter before the former.
 
This last shooter (and others), as I understand it, was mad at the world because he was socially unacceptable.... he could or would not "conform" to accepted norms .... and lashed out at society because of it. Who had the problem? The nut, or Society?
 
All my answers are personal thought.


- allow teachers/students to carry if they choose to and have ccw but do NOT require it because that is asking for trouble
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Only works in higher education. I say this because the average parent is not going to want there child going to school with folks having guns on them. Again personal opinion

- bullet proof doors/windows with good locks
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Price point! Cheaper to ban guns rather than ask the tax payer to foot the bill for this.

- drill and practice 'what if' scenarios in schools so teachers know what to do
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Hard enough to get CCW ingrained into constant practice
- Maybe hire a police officer for each school...but way too expensive probably.
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Right on point, tax payer again asked to foot the cost
- Good alarm systems.
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Does not stop the intruder
- Lock down drills
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After the fact but could be effective if the doors and windows are bullet proof
 
allow teachers/students to carry if they choose to and have ccw but do NOT require it because that is asking for trouble
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Only works in higher education
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With regard to "teachers": Why would Elementary School/Middle/High School "Teachers" be any less capable than a College Professor? And what of Adminitrators, or other staff, for that matter? As I noted above, all these people are under contract with the School District (Satifying Federal Law)..... many are Veterans, many already have Carry Permits ....why would it not work there, as well?

bullet proof doors/windows with good locks
Price point! Cheaper to ban guns rather than ask the tax payer to foot the bill for this.
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http://www.policeone.com/school-vio...tive-shooters-in-schools-The-enemy-is-denial/

It's not cheap to meet the Fire Codes we build schools to these days ..... but we DO that ..... why should Security be any different?
 
We all believe that being a picked on nerd (as many of us were in our youth), not fitting in socially, not being able to get a date, etc., we believe these things are NOT justification for shooting anyone.

The spree killers clearly believe differently. So we call them mentally ill.

In an earlier, less "understanding" era, we would have called them mad dogs or mad dog killers, and dealt with them as mad dogs are dealt with. Permanently and fatally.

Insanity is an explanation, NOT an excuse.
 
In an earlier, less "understanding" era, we would have called them mad dogs or mad dog killers
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I worry that "understanding" has been taken a little too far. I'd like to sit down with the families and peers of these shooters and query them in detail regarding the shooter's behavior.

I submit that things we once would have called warning signs are now being treated like quirks and eccentricities.
 
I submit that things we once would have called warning signs are now being treated like quirks and eccentricities
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exactly... we have become a nation of hyper-tolerances. Overly tolerant to the degree that people are no longer willing to point at something and call it a problem or demand action.
 
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