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hr636

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I've been shooting 3 times a month for the past 2 years. I've taken training courses. I've watched videos. I cannot shoot center of target. I practice dry firing all the time, I have a flat press that breaks without disturbing my sight picture. I have tried every trigger finger position from tip to pad to joint. I've tried varying grip pressure both support and strong hand. Weaver stance, iso, bench resting. 1911s, da/sa cz75, Glock 19, 17, 26, 43, vp9, p10c. I shoot them all slightly left of center.

Is it time to drift my sights or am I missing something? One thing I haven't tried is to force myself to use my right eye as I'm left eye dominant. I seriously just think my left eye isn't lining the sights up to center when it looks like I am.

Thanks for the help.
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As a left eye dominant right hander I can tell you that I do shift my rear sight slightly to the right, but my groups pre the move aren't quite as shifted as what you're showing here (mine are maybe about an inch left at 10 yds, usually translates so half my group is out of the center circle and the other half is in on the left).

It sounds like you've put time into this and that you've tried a number of options. Have you also tried mixing in snap caps when doing live fire? I've seen and had instructors show me that clean presses while dry firing don't always mean the same when live fire. Oftentimes I can catch myself in a flinch/shift and slowly work back out of it.

Beyond that I find it pretty hard to diagnose people without actually being able to see them shoot. Have you brought this issues up with your instructors during those training courses?
 
^ Bringing the firearm to your eye as opposed to your eye to the firearm is a good tip.

In that picture I'm not sure how far forward the OP is leaning. The pole in the background is at the same angle as the OP and it's hard to tell if both of them are leaning forward or if the camera was just at an angle. Obviously you don't want to be leaning back or on your heels, but your position should be comfortable. Or as I've heard it said: stable, mobile, balanced.
 
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You might try changing your stance to adjust your natural point of aim.
In plain english, it means just moving your body a little to the right when aiming at the target.
Pointing your right foot at the target is one way to do it.
If successful, it might let you know where the problem is.
 
Try drifting the sights. I am also right handed, left eye dominant. I shoot rifles left handed for last 12 years a major improvement. Also their is a chart out their on shoot placement and where you put your finger on the trigger. Maybe someone can post it for you our you could google it if you haven't seen it.
 
Shooting left or right handed shouldn't make a huge difference regardless of eye dominance, especially with handguns.
I practice both, and with just a little shift of my head to accommodate the hand I'm shooting with, the sighted rounds go straight.
Judging from the target shown, betcha' there's still a flaw in hr636's technique he's not catching.
 
Shooting left handed certainly is an option, but in combative shooting the ability to hit POA with either hand can be pretty important. Were I the OP I'd still want to be able to shoot POI=POA with my right hand even if shooting left handed became my dominant side.
 
I would drift the sights if it were me. I went through that (on a smaller scale) with my pistol. It has an adjustable sight, but I took the blame for shooting left rather than blaming the sights or the pistol itself. I put a lot of rounds down range trying to correct without any success. I finally gave in and adjusted the sights and I've been on target ever since. In hindsight, I feel silly for buying a pistol with adjustable sights then refusing to adjust.
 
I would simply adjust the sights. It may be that his problem stems from improper stance, sight alignment or trigger pull but he is consistent in all those things so adjusting the sights is a valid move to get centered on target.
 
You're getting consistent groups, but this still says your finger and sight alignment is off a tick due to wandering concentration.
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I've always been under the impression that those pie charts were really designed for one handed bullseye shooting. That doesn't mean that there is no application to two handed shooting, but I'm not sure it's as 1:1 as that chart indicates. For that matter the chart there shows the OP hitting in the G or F2 regions, which are more about finger placement and tightening of fingers than concentration, according to the chart.
 
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BTW, keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot, adequate sight picture acquisition is applicable only in competition shooting and superfluous in a self defense situation.
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It depends on what your definition of adequate is.
 
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The OP is having the same issue with multiple pistol formats and manufacturers. I seriously doubt moving sights will be of any remedial action!
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Sights are there for a reason, and they are adjustable for the same reason.
It would be foolish to not move them.
 
I know it's me. I do it with every handgun I shoot. I have mixed in snap caps and can't really tell. I have large hands and long fingers. That target isn't a great representation of my ability to shoot groups. I was firing double taps and shooting quickly. I'm going to try shooting with my right eye, and the double finger thing. If it's not something I can fix. Say because my index finger is so long I can't physically pull the trigger straight back I'll drift the sights.
 
I don't hunch that's just my shoulders from extending my arms out. I lean slightly into the recoil. I've not had instructors find anything weird about the way I shoot, and slow fire I can group 5 rounds in an inch at 7 yards. This is why I'm so frustrated at this point.
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I've not had instructors find anything weird about the way I shoot
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Did you ask them about your shift to the left though?

Given you're shooting a CZ P-10c it does look like you have some pretty darn big hands (it looks like a subcomapct in your hands). Are you using the largest backstrap? I can't tell from the photo. It's just one way I could think of adding some distance for your long fingers. If you already did then I think drifting the sights for now isn't really a bad thing. You'd really need one on one time with someone to truly diagnose this imo.

And yes you can actually work on shifting your eye dominance. I had to do it for myself so I could actually shoot a rifle right handed as my eye dominance was so strong. If you keep doing presentations to that eye you'll find over time that you'll get to a point where you can essentially choose what eye you're sighting with. But again cross eye dominance isn't a death sentence and it can be made to work.
 
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