State Of The Union ?????

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Why is it always neccessary to bring up Clinton? He is history, and has a positive mark there also. I doubt that gwb's legacy will be so kind. Clinton has been out of office for 6 years and all gwb has been able to do since then is make it worse, Bottom line.
"the guys that like him" are beginning to see the light.

Well we are people of comparison and who do you compare Bush with but other presidents? You say Clinton left a positive mark and I think he left a negative stain. Who was it gave us the high cap and asault rifle ban and who was it that didn't renew it? Need I go on about gun control?

If you want to say somebody is bad then compared to who, Jimmy Carter , Kennedy, Johnson or someone close to today Clinton. Come on Jack be honest so you don't look so bias. Bias makes people lose credibility because you run off hatred rather than fact. If you want good government you must hold all equaly accountable for their behavior.

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I listened/watched/viewed the whole thing. Sorry to say, but I was reminded of several Johnson SoU speeches... A little something for everybody and nothing of substance for anyone.

For your next assignment, compare and contrast the "Great Society" speech. :rolleyes:
 
Well we are people of comparison and who do you compare Bush with but other presidents? You say Clinton left a positive mark and I think he left a negative stain.

Comparing with past presidents is like a dog chasing his tail. I prefer to base my opinion on personal performance.

As for bc's "stain" are his acts of poor personal judgement, personal acts blown way to hell out of proportion by a few zelous politicians, more despicable than gwb's and his cohorts acts of corruption which have resulted in several high level cohorts having to back peddle. Acts which due to their national status, negatively affect the welfare of the country.

Who was it gave us the high cap and asault rifle ban and who was it that didn't renew it? Need I go on about gun control?

As I recall gwb and gonzales supported the assault weapons ban in Jan. 2005 and at that time gonzales stated that he would favor even "broader" restrictions as he feared for his brothers life(a police officer in california)
 
Why is it always neccessary to bring up Clinton? He is history, and has a positive mark there also. I doubt that gwb's legacy will be so kind. Clinton has been out of office for 6 years and all gwb has been able to do since then is make it worse, Bottom line.

Because GWB has conducted some of the most effective military actions in the history of warfare. BC's Somalia action exacerbated the problem and emboldened the Muslin extremists. BC tucked his tail between his legs and ran away like a little girl being bullied by neighbor hood boys.

If BC or Hilbillary for that matter warns Iran they will sleep like babies. A threat like the one issued by GWB results in soiled robes and fervent prayer to Allah for a democrat administration in 2008.

Safety, I really question if we are safer now than we were even before 9/11.
Sure don;t seem so as I, and most of the world, expect to see another horrendous act against this country and its citizens at anytime.

Wishful thinking.:barf:

The US will never be off the teet of foreign oil as long as the tree hugging left continues to oppose nuclear power, coal, oil drilling, wind farms, natural gas production, and virtually every other form of alternate energy.
 
I've come to the conclusion that both major parties are incredibly stupid and equally corrupt. The only difference is that the Republicans are better organized in their stupidity and corruption.:mad:

Bob
 
How long were the Soviets in Afghanistan?

Tell me what you consider to be the most effective action in the history of warfare.

I judge success by low casualties and mission success. Not only have casualties been unbelievably low for the US, it has been lowest in history for civilians in the battle zone. History does not go away it is just forgotten and ignored.

Mission success? So far so good, it remains to be seen if there will be democracy in Iraq, the seed is sewn. Under Gore or Kerry, IMO, the boil would still be festering.
 
I've come to the conclusion that both major parties are incredibly stupid and equally corrupt. The only difference is that the Republicans are better organized in their stupidity and corruption.

Agreed, long time supporter of the republican party however neither party
"appear" to care for the working class.It is time for change not sure what
direction that would take but the present path is not good.:(
 
Agreed, long time supporter of the republican party however neither party
"appear" to care for the working class.It is time for change not sure what
direction that would take but the present path is not good.

It's time for new parties. Sometimes, the smell gets so bad you just have to throw the garbage out and start over. I think the Libertarian Party is a good start. However, we need at least three parties to keep all of them a little more honest. We also need term limits.

Bob
 
The US will never be off the teet of foreign oil as long as the tree hugging left continues to oppose nuclear power, coal, oil drilling, wind farms, natural gas production, and virtually every other form of alternate energy.

:confused: yea....'cause that's really the reason that we're so dependant on oil

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the massive profits of oil companies and their political contributions. I'm sure that those hippies you hate so much are dead set on keeping us dependant on oil, which is why they're arguing against ANWR drilling.

Let's go down the list..

nuclear: reliable, efficient, safe (just look at the Navy's record with it), but far from clean. better ways of disposing waste aside from stuffing it into the ground is necessary. unfortunately it's nowhere near cheap enough to launch that stuff in a rocket headed for the sun

coal: non-renewable like oil, pollutes as much as oil, not the safest method but it's getting better, but limited by locations. can't just dig a hole and expect coal (lol I'm a poet and didn't even realize it)

oil: it won't last forever. I don't know how accurate that peak oil theory is and despite the suggestions that oil reserves are "filling back up" there is nowhere near enough evidence to think that the stuff will last forever. oh yeah, it's also horrible for the environment in every form.

wind farms: please. wind energy is about as abundant as hydroelectric; you can't just stick a windmill in your backyard and expect your power bill to go down. to have any kind of benefit you need massive expanses of flat land to plant a whole slew of these things. the energy itself is clean but grossly inefficient for the cost involved and, like hydroelectric, most of the places we can get wind energy from are already being used.

natural gas: pretty much the same boat as oil and coal. somewhat cleaner than both, about the same risk factor, and even if it lasts forever it's also limited by location. there's only so many places you can get natural gas.


What other options do we have? Solar? Awesome, the technology just needs to be perfected. Many homes save a ton of money and energy by using solar panels to heat and cool water. I wonder how many people here have solar panels...oh yeah, they're still pretty damn expensive.

Hydrogen? Hah. I have to roll my eyes everytime people in the auto industry spout their crap about hydrogen being the future of transportation. The bottom line with hydrogen is that it doesn't occur naturally on Earth in any significant quantity and thus takes more energy (from either oil, coal, or natural gas) to produce than if those energy sources were simply used as it.



Yeah, the tree hugging liberals are trying to stop alternative energy sources that would decrease our dependancy from oil. The tree hugging liberals who have as one of their most important goals the desire to clean up the environment. The tree hugging liberals who support the scientific community in trying to find clean alternative energy sources....are responsible for keeping us depenant on oil.


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The tree hugging liberals who like to turn on their lights, computers, drive to rallies, fly to vacation destinations just like everyone else do nothing but complain about foreign oil.
 
True but there are many who don't do those things (besides, computers use very little energy overall ;)).

The point is that it's not the liberals who are keeping us dependant on foreign oil...
 
original by pipoman: I judge success by low casualties and mission success. Not only have casualties been unbelievably low for the US,

As I recall and as many seem to have forgotten: The original mission was to get OBL--and to the best of my knowledge we have not got him yet.

Its not hard to minimize the casualties unless you happen to be one of them or one of their family members.

And its not really difficult to be a "great warrior" when you are equipped with the latest technological weapons while fighting an enemy whose basic weapons are sticks and rocks. Certainly no disrespect for our military fighters. I still belive, as I was taught, that one of ours can whup ass on at least 10 of anyothers, but facts are facts.
 
As for bc's "stain" are his acts of poor personal judgement, personal acts blown way to hell out of proportion by a few zelous politicians, more despicable than gwb's and his cohorts acts of corruption which have resulted in several high level cohorts having to back peddle. Acts which due to their national status, negatively affect the welfare of the country.

The standards and values you have in your personal life do transfer into your public life ie your job. One of the big deals in the past when your life could be ruined because of your behavior as a public official was the FBI kept track of you because of blackmail. Your job as a public official could be swayed because you got caught with something you shouldn't have and the foriegn governments blackmail you.

Personal behavior no longer seems to bother you, drug use does however change peoples personalities and causes poor decisions but that to is a personal judgement to use drugs. What Clinton did was wrong to his core and he should have had the honor to resign. At least Nixon still had that much honor and he was a crook.

As I recall gwb and gonzales supported the assault weapons ban in Jan. 2005 and at that time gonzales stated that he would favor even "broader" restrictions as he feared for his brothers life(a police officer in california)

Funny you just said "I prefer to base my opinion on personal performance" then you base your next statement on what people have said compared to what people do. Bush could have reinstated the ban if he wanted, the ban that Clinton put in. Is it in effect today?:D

Some people say talk is cheap but your words need to be consistant with the values you profess otherwise people won't listen to you.

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Three years in Iraq and four years in Afghanistan this year. I will give the Bush administration credit for assisting in conducting the elections and achieving that goal.

What I will not give them credit for is the piecemeal conduct of this war. The object of war is to destroy the enemies capacity and will to fight to achieve your goals. The enemy is still fighting in Iraq and more people die everyday. We are being nickled and dimed to death in Iraq. "Stay the course" is a sound bite not a plan. How long do we stay in Iraq?

When do we take the training wheels off Iraq's Police/Military forces? The Iraqis are going to have to take responsibility for thier country. I havent seen a firm plan for this.

I think most Americans would change thier minds about the war in Iraq if there was a timetable and a firm plan. The "Stay the Course" soundbite doesnt cut the mustard for them.
 
True but there are many who don't do those things (besides, computers use very little energy overall ).

The point is that it's not the liberals who are keeping us dependant on foreign oil...

The difference between a man who is true to his core values and a liberal tree hugger is plain as day. If you believe so much that man is destroying the world then you should recognize that you are part of the problem and deal with it starting with yourself.

Bush is true to his core and that upsets liberals as they can't even find a core in themselves much less develope decent policy.

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Is alcohol a drug? As I recall gwb was at one time a heavy drinker, wonder if it affected his thinking and consequently his actions?:confused: Getting a @# in private is worse than appointing friends to public offices with out regards to qualifications, which result in hardships and even deaths of american citizens????:eek: I dont think so. And I want mention spying and lying.

One who finds no faults with the faulty cannot be believed or trusted. :p
 
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