Spring tension saving (Taurus PT92/Beretta92): hammer on half cock safety notch or all way down?

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The Taurus manual is directly self contradictory.

First it says:
5. On some semi-automatic pistols it is possible to lower the hammer to a
“half-cock” position. This position is the intercept notch.
DO NOT USE THIS INTERCEPT NOTCH OR HALF COCK
POSITION AS A SAFETY DEVICE. DO NOT CARRY THE FIREARM
AT ANYTIME IN THE HALF COCK POSITION. It is not designed or
suitable for that purpose. The “half cock” or intercept notch serves only to
prevent unintended firing in case of internal malfunction or in case your
thumb slips off the hammer during manual cocking or decocking.

Then it says

CARRY CONDITIONS
The following describe the only three conditions in which you should
carry your metal frame Taurus Pistol (Pistol). While your Pistol is safe to
carry in all three conditions, they are ranked in order from most
dangerous to least dangerous. You must decide which condition is
best for your personal needs and skill level.
Condition 2 (a)
Magazine full
Round in the chamber
Hammer down/decocked
Manual safety “off”
Condition 2 (b)
Magazine full
Round in the chamber
Hammer down/decocked
Manual safety “on”
The pistol will fire when gripped in the hand and the trigger is pulled or
the manual safety is off and the trigger is pulled. When using the
decocking lever, the hammer falls to the intercept position.


So either way you go, you will be violating the manufacturer's instructions.
You will have to decide the relative risks to you and the gun.
 
Good Thing for lawyers.

I case the manufacturer get sued in court, Taurus picks whichever Version is more favourable to them.

In latinamerica contradictory laws are all that common. Pick whichever you like and you are fullfilling the "law". brazil is a latinamerican Country.

Thats why one law says you cant reload ammunition and at the other Hand customs allows reloading Equipment readily into the Country if it gets registred by the gun agency (and they Charge you 50% of the original Price as a fee). That way it got legalised.

Pick whatever you most like to bail you out of prison.
 
You are completely rigth.
But I am not an store owner nor do I live in a city were you have people close up all the time.

On the other hand I believe I would never shoot the gun without a cover. For a store owner a gun in condition 1 is a must.
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Imagine you're being mugged in the street, there is no cover just you and the mugger or muggers.
More often then not you are not going to have the luxury of cover in a SD shooting.

Unless things happen differently down in SA up here we have a saying, 3 yards, 3 shots, 3 seconds.. that's your avg self defense shooting up here.
Not protracted fire fights with cover and suppressive fire. :rolleyes:

You do what you want I hope you're never in a life or death situation because you're hamstringing your self for no apparent reason the 92 (Taurus or Beretta) are exceedingly safe to carry chambered.

With a decent holster covering the trigger guard I don't even keep the safety on mine the long DA pull is plenty security enough I have no problem stretching out and taking a nap wearing mine, seriously it's not going to just GO OFF on it's own even if you threw it at the wall and called it names.

but you're gonna do what you want I feel like my advice is falling on deaf ears here so this is my last post on this thread.

God bless and good luck to you.
 
For CCW I have this

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Source http://www.beretta.com/en-us/pico/
in this

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Source https://www.amazon.com/Concealment-...220&sr=8-5&keywords=cell+phone+pistol+holster

it is a double Action only pistol with a round in the chamber cal 380 Auto in the disguised Holster. "Wait a lill' I get my Money out. Bang bang bang".

The Taurus is a HOME DEFENSE gun.
 
Nit picky people like me are detail lovers which generally is a sign of higher intelligence.
Any intellectual people will be able to follow my reasonings.
 
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Could also be a sign of anxiety, basically it comes down to you're not going to put your gun through any kind of hard use so don't worry so much and enjoy your new pistol. The amount of shooting you do isn't probably even going to require a spring change for a couple of decades or so.
 
Yes.
Over here people are not used to change any springs. As well as due to high ammo prices the shooting volumen is reduced.

If the gun is not working anymore correctly they try to sell it hoping the buyer doesnt detect the fault (playing the emotional sales scheeme which then leads to an effective rip off).

I am an reloader as well and for that a certain love for detail is needed to be successfull. Carefull work is needed for reloading watching for any kind of detail.
Well yes in extreme cases that could go extremely out of balance and end in anxiety.
I wouldnt call it anxiety if the pilot worries about the planes fuel level before taking off or would you rather have an ignoring pilot who just takes off no matter what warning ligths are on (see the brazilian soccer team's plane falling off the sky due to the pilot not refuelling the plane since he thougth he would arrive and the company saving a dime).
Ignoring is an southamerican attitude. Which is not taking care at all.
 
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TheGuyOfSouthamerica said:
Nit picky people like me are detail lovers which generally is a sign of higher intelligence.

Any intellectual people will be able to follow my reasonings.
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Well, leaving it on half-cock is actually not that intelligent...

The Beretta 92 should be stored/carried with the hammer fully down to protect the sear. At half-cock (or full-cock) the sear is directly engaging the hammer in one of two notches. If there was an impact on the hammer, the damage would be transferred to the sear/sear notches... probably damaging them to the point that the gun won't function correctly. Won't be full auto, but either the SA won't engage or the hammer will not move at all (disabling the pistol).

Now, let's say that impact occurred with the hammer fully at rest. Sear is not touching any of the notches... so no real damage. Likely, it would be appearance related damage to the backside of the hammer, where the impact occurred. That means the pistol functions normally, with a nasty mark on the hammer.

That is pretty much the answer given in the Beretta Armorer's Manual.
 
Store the handgun with the hammer down.

Attention to detail only matters when the details actually matter....in this case it doesn't.
 
With my Taurus PT92, if it is chamber loaded, I use the decocker and leave the hammer where it rests on the intercept.

When I was young, routinely replacing springs was not something most shooters did or theorized about. It wasn't something you read about in gun magazines. My first self defense pistol was a polish Radom 9mm...later, it was a nazi hipower. Both of these pistols were produced under wartime conditions, and showed heavy use, with pitting outside and dark bores.
They both spent a couple decades in a sock drawer.
Yet, load them up, and they shot fine. I never worried about the functionality of either.
When I bought my PT92, made in 1997, a year or so ago, it had an unknown round count. I replaced the locking block with a latest generation Beretta part just to be safe. It came with a new recoil spring. I also replaced the hammer mainspring with a Wilson D spring just to experiment. That spring seemed, if anything, slightly stronger than the OEM Taurus spring. It didn't lower the trigger pull, anyway. Maybe it needed it, probably not.
 
Nit picky people like me are detail lovers which generally is a sign of higher intelligence.
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Really? It sounds more like an obsessive/compulsive disorder in your case. Especially since you asked a question, were given answers and you continue to argue your case for leaving the gun on half cock. Maybe if you argue your point long enough then someone who knows even less than you will agree with you and you will be able to move on to the next needless point.:rolleyes:

Well, leaving it on half-cock is actually not that intelligent...
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Thats funny.
 
I second that amd6547,

I seems to me most natural to leave the gun on "half cock" since if you want to Lover it completely you have to manually Lover slowly the hammer like with an Revolver. And in that case if there is a round in the chamber, if the hamer Slips on you and you squeeze the Trigger while lowering then if can fire accidentally.

I lean still toward the half cock solution.

Obsessive/compulsive disorders has to be avoided. But I tell ya most cientist would be classified as "ready to be admitted in a lunatic psychiatric Institution to be locked away for forever".

About materials used in the Barrel and slide I am not sure yet with this gun as follows Chat with Taurus Shows
Welcome to taurususa ME [Where only the time is it's my Chat post], Fran will be right with you. Your chat ID is XXXXXXXXXXXX.



Fran 4:32:09 PM

Thank you for contacting Customer Care. My name is Francesca. I will be assisting you today!



Fran 4:32:10 PM

Hi, how may I help you today?



4:32:50 PM

I just bougth this gun.http://www.taurususa.com/product-det...crumbseries=92



4:33:02 PM

And have some questions



4:33:35 PM

PT 92 AFS satinless 9mm Para



4:34:54 PM

I Held an magnet to the slide and Barrel and it slightly sticked to all Metall parts except the Frame. If it is really supposed to be stainless must it then not stick to the Metall?



Fran 4:35:48 PM

It's a stainless finish .



Fran 4:36:05 PM

It carbon steel over a stainless finish .



4:36:23 PM

the slide as well?



Fran 4:36:47 PM

Yes



4:36:59 PM

What about the Frame?



Fran 4:38:06 PM

Same



4:38:42 PM

that cant be in my opinion. Then a mgnet will stick but it does not.



4:39:56 PM

If the Frame would be steel then the gun would be heavier. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?



4:41:51 PM

it says about the Frame: hammer forged ordnance grade alloy. Whatever that means.



Fran 4:42:03 PM

I do apologize for the inconvenience



Fran 4:42:09 PM

It's alloy



4:42:51 PM

yes. I know. But is it aluminum alloy or steel? A magnet does not stick to it.



Fran 4:43:23 PM

Alloy



Fran 4:43:26 PM

The slide is steel



4:44:34 PM

What Kind of alloy? If it's aluminum then has it steel inserts to make it stronger?



Fran 4:46:26 PM

Alloy aluminum



4:47:42 PM

Are there inserts for the controls like spent case ejector, etc. I can not see theese parts to be of aluminum



4:51:09 PM

sir are you still there?



Fran 4:52:15 PM

Parts are metal injections



4:52:43 PM

and the Barrel? Which material is it from?



Fran 4:54:08 PM

Forge stainless steel



4:55:03 PM

What? The Barrel is real stainless steel? I thought it was just stainless plated.



4:55:37 PM

A magnet sticks to the Barrel as well.



Fran 5:05:32 PM

yes



5:06:12 PM

if it is real stainless steel (the Barrel) then a magnet will not stick right?



Fran 5:09:26 PM

It should



5:10:38 PM

Someone told me the slide is real stainless steel and the Barrel is stainless plated carbon steel. Which one is now right?



Fran 5:13:34 PM

Real stainless



5:14:01 PM

which one. The slide or the Barrel?



Fran 5:14:10 PM

The barrel



Fran 5:14:19 PM

The slide is carbon steel



5:14:34 PM

Ok. Thank you very much



Fran 5:15:17 PM

You're welcome. Is there anything else you will like me to assist you with today?



Fran 5:18:00 PM

Are you still here?



5:18:22 PM

no thanks.



Fran 5:18:28 PM

You're welcome. It was a pleasure assisting you here today. Have a great day!
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Well I'm glad to see we are not the only ones you bombard with inane, assinine questions and refuse to believe the answers. Poor Taurus lady.:(
 
Before you marry a Girl you most likely would want to know as well some stuff, isn't it?
Looking underneath the Pants is not allowed before marriage but somehow you have to figure out if you didn't get a hooker, isn't it?

The Chat should have turned me off due to it's contradictions with previous Chats.

Know the stuff you are buying.
 
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So now you are saying that after you had the chat you wouldn't have bought the gun? Well its too late now. You have already "married the girl" so to speak. Now you gotta live with her.:eek:

Maybe instead of a gun forum you need a marriage counselor.:D:D:D

Looking underneath the Pants is not allowed before marriage but somehow you have to figure out if you didn't get a hooker, isn't it?
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So far as I know you can't tell by looking.;)

Like joesixpack I am done with this thread. It is going nowhere fast.
 
If somone has FIRST HAND INFO about the materials applied in the Taurus PT 92 AFS I would be glad you share.

I investigated lots but got nothing than contradictory info.
Taurus Brazil does not even answer as it seems they hardly have an email or phone number nor Website.
All I could sinthethyse is Taurus makes all metal parts of all guns from machined carbon steel (seems they have not the engineerial and technological ability to make stainless steel). Similar to difficulties Beretta faced in the 1950's as well since they did not know how to make stainless steel. Later on Beretta figured it out as I read somewhere.
And all controls are MIM parts.

ratshooter. :cool:You can detect a v****n by her soft hearthness (without looking underneath the "Hood" nor touching is allowed according to the Bible)! Lol:D
I am fine with this gun as it turns out not to be a Lemon.

Taurus Chat Claims the PT 1911 is slide, Frame and Barrel real stainless steel. But if I would ask again the Story would most likely Change again.
 
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