Playboypenguin
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Are you sure?
At our local airport (PDX) there is a big display case and sign that says "ALL THESE ITEMS ARE ILLEGAL TO TAKE BEYOND SECURITY CHECK POINTS!"
In the case are boxes of handgun and rifle ammo.
Soldier from Texas imprisoned in Mexico for weapons charges
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At our local airport (PDX) there is a big display case and sign that says "ALL THESE ITEMS ARE ILLEGAL TO TAKE BEYOND SECURITY CHECK POINTS!"
In the case are boxes of handgun and rifle ammo.
Ruthless4christ
New member
well now actually...
lets see what the big man has to say.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1188.shtm
now if yo will notice on the first page the TSA advises to check all foriegn laws for when you enter the country. that was his mistake. however i was just noting that it IS legel to transport firarms on american flights. you just have to know the laws
lets see what the big man has to say.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1188.shtm
now if yo will notice on the first page the TSA advises to check all foriegn laws for when you enter the country. that was his mistake. however i was just noting that it IS legel to transport firarms on american flights. you just have to know the laws
Playboypenguin
Moderator
Now I am angry.
Where the hell did the TSA get a Beretta Steel I. I have been wanting one of those forever.
Where the hell did the TSA get a Beretta Steel I. I have been wanting one of those forever.
Wildalaska
Moderator
Ignorantia juris non excusat .....
One of the foundations of our system of laws.
But hey, its all about the sacred gunnykins to some folks LOL
WildillegitiminoncarborundumAlaska TM
One of the foundations of our system of laws.
But hey, its all about the sacred gunnykins to some folks LOL
WildillegitiminoncarborundumAlaska TM
Normally, I'd side with those who claim "well no one knows all the laws, you break them every day" After all, I did spit on the sidewalk last week and I don't recall carrying a longarm through Boston Common last time I was there (as is required by law), but in this case, WA is right. When it comes to gun laws, especially international gun laws, you better know them. If you don't know, ask. If you break them and get busted, it's your own fault, because guns are serious business for a lot of people, gun owners and non gun owners alike. If there are multiple large brightly colored signs in multiple languages and pictograms driving home the point of "no guns past this point" well... sorry dude. You messed up.
I wasn't the one asserting ignorance as no excuse, I was responding to someone who suggested we should take a strict view of the law in view of that maxim.
However, I was noting 1) ignorance can be an excuse where intent to violate the law is a necessary element of the crime (although an intent element more often means knows they were performing the act, whether or not they know it is illegal); and 2) that even if it's not an excuse, few legal systems are 100% black-and-white, and considering the general standards of reasonableness, accident (or even incompetence) can be seen as a mitigating factor if not a defense.
It's unfortunate that a lot of these laws are written as imperfect ways to crack down on a particularly unsavory section of society, and then end up being used against people the law's drafters never envisioned. Take Chicago, where they videotape the gangbangers who actually kill people firing their illegal weapons during celebrations but do not intervene for fear of a firefight, but then confiscate harmless citizens' guns because they failed to maintain their FOID or reside in an area which bans the weapons altogether.
However, I was noting 1) ignorance can be an excuse where intent to violate the law is a necessary element of the crime (although an intent element more often means knows they were performing the act, whether or not they know it is illegal); and 2) that even if it's not an excuse, few legal systems are 100% black-and-white, and considering the general standards of reasonableness, accident (or even incompetence) can be seen as a mitigating factor if not a defense.
It's unfortunate that a lot of these laws are written as imperfect ways to crack down on a particularly unsavory section of society, and then end up being used against people the law's drafters never envisioned. Take Chicago, where they videotape the gangbangers who actually kill people firing their illegal weapons during celebrations but do not intervene for fear of a firefight, but then confiscate harmless citizens' guns because they failed to maintain their FOID or reside in an area which bans the weapons altogether.