So, my buddy with a CHL got pulled over last night...

DeanC:

I would like to personally thank you, for summing up in one paragraph what the general state of today's cop is. Sir, I salute you--you are EXACTLY right.

jfrey123:

You are also spot on the mark. The whole point of traffic laws are to try to ensure safe travel.

MPanova:

Think about it this way:

Using Washington's fine schedule, four Notices of Infraction for speeding = $404 (minimum).

No NOI's in this case = $404.00 SAVED, = NEW GUN.

Think about it. What would YOU rather spend your money on? ;)
 
This is not about speeding


Just one more thing, you said the drive through liquor stores and cigarettes are a chose, well so is speeding. So what’s the difference?

And I would not consider what you have to do to get a drivers license as fair training much less proper training :rolleyes:
 
I have had about 5 or 6 encounters with Police since getting my chl and having to produce it. ALL have been positive, in fact most of them resulted in the CHL my/their guns being conversation pieces.
 
Sure, it's a choice.

Does anyone FORCE someone else to smoke? I don't think so. For whatever reason, you get into it. It's addictive as hell, too. But, given the right impetus and treatment if necessary, can you stop? Of course.

Same thing with drinking; consumption of alcohol is a choice that is made by the individual. It also is addictive as hell. But, can a person stop? Again, it is possible to do so.

The similarity between the two above is that they are PERSONAL choices; you make the choice to do it or not to do it.

If you're driving at an excessive rate of speed and you wreck out, who's to say that your vehicle, now spinning out of control, will not cross a median and smack a car full of kids? Maybe the person next to you will swerve to avoid you, lose control of their vehicle and be killed. Was it their choice to die that day? I doubt it.

And, what training would you consider necessary to be a Good Driver, in your opinion?
 
Drinking and driving AND speeding and driving can both kill other people and they are both a choice. Does making speeding illegal stop people from doing it? NO would making purchasing alcohol illegal stop people from drinking and driving? Damn near would!

My point is……

There are a ton of things they make illegal that makes them money that would not make money other wise, these things may or may not save lives.

There are a ton of things that are legal that are dangerous as hell and kill people everyday that make millions and billions of dollars, and they would lose out on that money if they were to make them illegal

That’s my point. Money is more important in this country then our
"safty"
 
jfrey123,
In conclusion, I again want to state that DRIVING IS A PRIVILAGE, NOT A RIGHT! Show me in the Bill of Rights or Ten Commandments where it says "Thou shalt operate a motor vehicle unrestricted."
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The hell you say! Driving is not a privilege, it is my right. As in, I have the right to pursue happiness. The constitution and it’s amendments are not an exhaustive list of rights. In fact, one of the arguments against writing a Bill of Rights, was that later it might be viewed as a complete list of all the rights a person possesses. It's amazing how insightful our founders were..
 
That’s my point. Money is more important in this country then our
"safty"

Have to agree, a deputy and a local cop stopped by my shop and chatted a while, finally the cop said well "lets go harrass the public and earn our pay."
"not lets go serve the public and see who we can help"
the five towns around here are notorious for speed and seat belt traps,
heaven help you if you are a school kid. you may get a ticket because they don't like the way you're dressed'
one town has even sent their cops to school so they can inspect trucks, which was always done by the troopers.
on the good side, i was speeding thru a small town about 60 miles from here doing 38 in a 25 MPH school zone which would have cost me about 600, fines doubled in a work and school zone plus court cost, this town is also notorious for writting tickets, my gray hair and veterans licence plate got my a free pass that day. I haven't had a ticket in 30yrs. not that i haven't speeded and broke traffic laws, just haven't been caught.
now most locals and deputies are called trooper wannabes. they don't have the brains and the phyisical ability to be in the troopers.

in my state, the drivers book states that a drivers license is a privlege, not a right.
 
The following message is intended respectfully, with no harsh tone, only opinion.

ahenry

jfrey123,

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In conclusion, I again want to state that DRIVING IS A PRIVILAGE, NOT A RIGHT! Show me in the Bill of Rights or Ten Commandments where it says "Thou shalt operate a motor vehicle unrestricted."

The hell you say! Driving is not a privilege, it is my right.
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I stand by my statement. Rights in America should not be denied to any citizen, period. However, driving is a privilage becuase it is restricted from many citizens:

The handicapped: Those who are physically unable to safely operate a motor vehicle by blindness, loss of limb, mental retardation, etc. Your doctor has the power to call the DMV and inform them of any condition that compromises your ability to drive.

Criminals: Those who have committed DUI or crimes involving a motor vehicle such as vehicular manslaughter.

Those unable to pass the exams: This groups includes the careless and the incompetent. If you cannot complete the driving and/or written portion of the exam, you will be denied a license.


Now, if driving were a right, why are so many citizens denied this right in America? The ACLU is not fighting for the rights of the blind to drive a car. No large protests are being held calling for untested/unrestricted licenses. Operating a motor vehicle is restricted in this country to it's responsible (debatable, I suppose) citizens, and that my friend, makes it a privilage. One that can be revoked from YOU, or any of us, with the simple movement of pen across paper.
 
jfrey...

I'm with you on this one. Driving is a priviledge. However, our gun rights can also be taken away from us just like driving can but there is far more protest for our guns since it is a right to keep and bear arms.
 
People in wheelchairs and those that are blind have the right to do everything normal people can (IF THEY CAN) a man in a wheel chair has the "right" to jump up and down in the middle of Wal-Mart but he "CANT" a blind man has the right to read all the books in the library, but again he CANT

Not physically or mentally being able to do something doesn’t mean you would not have the right to do so if you were other wise not handicap.

If you abuse your right to do anything you can have it taken away from. That goes for anything not just driving.
 
Keepin' it friendly

Selling alcohol is something I would like to do. However, a license is required to do so. So is that another area where my right to do something is infringed upon by laws? I say maybe, but regardless, it is a privilage extended to those who qualify.


Flying a plane is something that I would like to do. Yet again, I need a license and training to do so. My right to do as I please is again infringed upon by laws intended to keep myself and the public safe, and that privilage is again not available to me. :D


Driving a car is similar to the plane, just much more familiar to us since we all saw our parents/guardians do it as we were children. But again: training, testing and a license are required parts of your privilage.


No one can take away my right to breathe. At least not just that right. Usually you gotta take something else as well to revoke that right.
 
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You have the right to do all of those things.

Why would you think they are "not available" to you?

They are available to me. I choose not to pursue them and go through what is required to get the license to do either of them.


To me a "right to do something" means anyone can do it if they so CHOOSE to. There may be steps you have to take to get there but its still your right to pursue what ever it is you are trying to do.
 
To me a "right to do something" means anyone can do it if they so CHOOSE to. There may be steps you have to take to get there but its still your right to pursue what ever it is you are trying to do.
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So, you're okay with waiting periods and mandatory registration for firearms, right? ;)
 
I'm NOT OK with just about anything the Government decides is best for me or in my best interest lol

I'm just saying I look at pretty much everything in life as our right not a privilege.

To me a "privilege" sounds like something your parents let you do as a reward when you are a kid. Just sounds like…..you can't do that (what ever that is) no matter what unless I (who ever that may be) says so.

And I'm talking about normal people not crooks or cripples or people who can’t or should not do something because they abuse it.

I am the most NON politically correct person I know ;)
 
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