So, my buddy with a CHL got pulled over last night...

No, no, no, no, no!

First rule of courteous conduct while on a traffic stop:

Do NOT---EVER---reach for a weapon--or even LOOK like you're reaching for a weapon--while in contact with an on duty police officer.

If for some unknown reason the officer TELLS you to reach for the weapon, tell them this: "I wouldn't feel right doing that. I'd rather that you take control of the firearm personally. What would you like me to do?"

Trust me, the officer will appreciate it. :)
 
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"Incidentally, this is the plate I'm talking about."

I think it would matter to alot of us in the same situation also.
 
"No, no, no, no, no!

First rule of courteous conduct while on a traffic stop:

Do NOT---EVER---reach for a weapon--or even LOOK like you're reaching for a weapon--while in contact with an on duty police officer.

If for some unknown reason the officer TELLS you to reach for the weapon, tell them this: "I wouldn't feel right doing that. I'd rather that you take control of the firearm personally. What would you like me to do?"

Trust me, the officer will appreciate it."
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Who was that intended for?

I hope not me, as I'm an ex-cop. ;)
 
I heard a lot of stories like this before/while getting my CHL. I thought maybe this would help me in the ticket department. Um no. I have had tons of tickets over the years and most of them have been IMO BS tickets anyway and just a way for them to make money. Most of my tickets include (no front plate, window tint, no seat belt, adjusting suspension while driving, clear tail lights, wrong address on my license. ect ect...) and a few 5-10 miles over the speed limit but not many. I am always nice to the LEO who pulls me over in hopes they will let me off with a warning :rolleyes: Since getting my license in April of this year I have been pulled over twice and received a ticket BOTH times. Again I was polite to the officer and informed them as soon as they reached my window that I did indeed have my CHL along with what and where I had it. The time I was pulled over for my window tint being to dark the officer told me "you should not have your windows that dark since you're carrying a weapon and we can't see you when we walk up to the car" at that point like Ron White says "I had the right to remain silent but I did not have the ability" lol I told the officer that the law abiding CHL citizens are not the ones you need to worry about having dark f@%$ing tint, its the a$$h@les who carry illegally that you need to worry about. And another thing, you did not know I had a weapon until after you came to the window and it was rolled down and you could see me plain as day holding my D.L and CHL to help YOU feel safer while writing me a ticket.
 
I understand why he asked to secure the weapon. It was 11 PM guys.

A while back I was stopped near Dangerfield, Tx, by the DPS at 12 midnight. I was going warp 75 in a 65 zone. The trooper was ALONE. Man that has got to be scarry. My carry gun was in the cosole as after a five hr drive it does dig into you if you carry it while sitting down. Anyway, after the DL/CHL thing he asked where the weapon was and I told him. It was ok with him. He gave me a warning ticket and I was on my way.

The few times I have been stopped in daylight, they never asked where my gun was. I guess in daylight they feel they can see the hands better and get a better idea as to the persons attitude and thoughts while looking in their face.
 
The reason why the officers treat you with kindness after showing your permit is simple and I learned this from being in the Army. Whenever I carried the M16, it seemed as if everyone was treating me much kinder and smiled at me. Even the most senior officers would get out of my way and such. Then when it was time for the M16 to go back in the armory, then the harsh treatment began. It almost seemed like the M16 was the generator of kindness and friendship.

There is a rule that everyone knows quite well. You always treat an armed man with respect and kindness. The cop sees you have a permit and are legally armed, he doesnt want to risk you throwing a fit and getting into a gunfight. He would just rather let you go. He knows well that the world is full of crazy people and that some people would get mad and pull their weapons. He is doing the smart thing.

I think every state requires you to disclose to the officer that your armed. I have read through a few regulations in different states and thats my understanding.

As for pulling out and showing your gun to the officer that depends what state your in. When I was in Virginia, it seemed everyone was pulling out their guns and showing everyone else. It was almost like a topic of discussion. In Nevada, it was especially cool because you could go out to the desert and just shoot the place up. No one really cared how many guns you had. Really cool to be able to rent an MP5 too at the range, full auto.

The main problem is that when you go from a gun friendly territory to the non-friendly gun friendly territory. Guns in the northeast are viewed as the tools of the devil. While guns in the south are viewed a little bit differently. If your a cop in the south or midwest, you want people to be armed. Imagine a cop who has to patrol a territory so large where it takes him 30 minutes to get there with lights and siren. When he arrives there, he has no backup. Wouldnt the cop like to have everyone in the neighborhood armed so they can help him out if things get a little tough?
 
An armed society is a polite society.

I'm definitely in an area where the vast majority of police officers on the street are pro-gun. Generally, they're not worried about CHL holders. I've been pulled over...ahem...a few times, and not once have I been disarmed, nor have I been treated harshly. Either it's been a non-issue, or verbal warning and on my merry way.
 
Sorry MPanova...

but all the things you just named are against the law. "Most of my tickets include (no front plate, window tint, no seat belt, adjusting suspension while driving, clear tail lights, wrong address on my license. ect ect...) and a few 5-10 miles over the speed limit but not many." You showed disrespect to the LEO by blatantly breaking these laws in the first place. "I am always nice to the LEO who pulls me over in hopes they will let me off with a warning."

"I told the officer that the law abiding CHL citizens are not the ones you need to worry about having dark f@%$ing tint, its the a$$h@les who carry illegally that you need to worry about.":rolleyes: I don't know how LEO's are in your neck of the woods, but around here I don't consider that "nice" or respectful and I would not let you off with a warning.

If you quit breaking laws and start being respectful then maybe if you actually do get pulled over for something that really is BS then you will get let off with a warning.
 
Thanks for your opinion, However those things are against the law for the soul purpose to make money and thats my point to begin with.
 
No. the majority of "those laws" are for the sole purpose of SAFETY, yours, mine and others on the public roads, including LEOs. If one wants to trick out his auto, he certainly has the rigght to do so. But he doesn't have the right to drive it on piblic roads if the "tricks" are safety hazards. Take the trickmobile to the car shows, and adjust the hydraulics and crank the music and obscure the interior with black windows all you want. Go to the local sanctioned drag strip and speed all you want. Drive your trickmobile illegaly on public roads and be prepared to pay the price. Also maybe check and know the laws before tricking out your ride. THAT shows respect to LEOs AND the public in general. I will agree, however, that a front license plate has little to do with public safety...Wolfsong.
 
The don't give a s#$t about public safety. They have drive through liquor stores and sell cigarettes both of which kill people everyday, They could care less if someone is killed , they just find more and more ways to take our money and feed us the "its for yours and others safety" line. Every day I hear about some one crashing or running over someone because of drugs or alcohol, not once have I heard someone crashed or ran someone off the road because of there window tint or there license plate was not on the front of the car or there address did not match were they live any more or someone was driving down the road and lowered the back of there truck 2 inches to get a better ride on that particular road they were driving on. If they would spend less time figuring out how to make a car so much safer so people can crash when ever they want and not have a scratch, and take that money and actually teach people how to drive and not crash, more lives would be saved. Again though it wont happen because there’s no money in that.
 
Who is "they"? Whatever, guy. Just stop complaining because you don't get away with breaking the law, regardless if you think that those laws are just money generating ways to harass you. Having a permit to carry is a great responsibility and does not entitle you or anyone else to get special consideration from LEOs for non gun related infractions. Take your tickets and fight them in court if you think you have a case. Otherwise, pay the piper. I hope that your approach to owning and carrying a gun is more mature and responsible than your views towards traffic and driving laws. Good luck to you. Wolfsong.
 
In the past 12 months I've been pulled over twice for speeding, DPS both times. Both times I got warnings though I don't know whether my CHL had anything to do with it.

The first time the officer took possession of my pistol. It is a 1911 and he didn't know how to unload it, it was quite humorous, even to him. I had to talk and point him through it. I'm not sure why he wanted it unloaded because he kept possession of it until we were done.

The second time the officer just asked me if I had any guns. I told him I had two and where they were and he said, 'let's just keep them where they are'.

Traffic stops have got to be difficult and somewhat scary. I think that when they find out that you have a CHL they are relieved and that might lead to more lenient treatment. I don't know for sure though.
 
I know everyone in the state of Virginia is armed and probably carrying a concealed pistol. Probably most people in the south.

An LEO in the southern states should expect everyone to be armed. However, this isnt a bad thing, not at all. If everyone is carrying a pistol, then that reduces the chances of an armed confrontation.

If someone decides to rob a bank in Virginia, he can count on there being at least 4 or 5 people in that bank pulling pistols on him. Whenever you pull your pistol in Virginia, then you can count on at least 5 other people pulling a pistol on you or helping you out.

Now lets say your an officer in a state where everything is spread out and suddenly your put into a bad situation. Backup is far far away. Wouldnt you like for a citizen to come help you out or do you want to be on your own with someone laying down rounds on you while you sit huddled behind that patrol car?
 
The don't give a s#$t about public safety.
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If you say so.

They have drive through liquor stores and sell cigarettes both of which kill people everyday,
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How? Cigarette and liquor stores have one thing in common, as do all other retail outlets--it is a totally voluntary act if you decide to go in.

And, we don't care if anyone dies? Why do you think you get pulled over, and why do you think there is an offense called "speeding"?

If you're going slow, and you bump into something, you may hurt your feelings and your car--although neither severely. The faster you go, however, the more delicate the balance is between driving fast and ending up dead.

Moreover, the faster your speed is, the more likely it is that if and when you crack up, that you'll take someone with you.

If traffic fines are so lucrative, then why don't I get in trouble? I have gone for long periods of time--as in almost full weeks--without writing citations AT ALL. Do I run radar? You betcha. Do I pull over people for defective equipment? All the time.

So, why don't I--and a vast majority of other cops I know--write tickets for EVERYONE WE SEE? For the same reason we don't either bother pulling you over unless you're at least 10 to 15 over the speed limit, and that is exactly because we are concerned for your safety--and the safety of those around you.

Why don't we get bent out of shape about concealed carry? Again, I--and the vast majority of officers I know--support CCW for everyone. Most of us also support unrestricted carry, too.

We know that if you have a CCW, you have already had a background check. You're clean. You're one of the good guys--or girls--and we know that vehicle speed can get away from you sometimes (especially if you're playing something like ZZ Top's "Velcro Fly" at high volume.) And if I approach a car, and hear the "Top Gun" soundtrack, I automatically know why you're speeding. :D

Most people are somewhat apologetic, even a little embarassed; a quick check and a smile and they're on their way. If you mention a CCW, after the warning, I'll probably talk your ear off about guns.

But cop an attitude, and that tells me that you feel that you have the right to endanger the people around you. Then, I'll be happy to help take you down a peg or two, with a little spanking that starts at $101.00 gets worse from there. What's the reasoning behind this? If you speed with an attitude, you're a missile bound to hit something, and it's my job to make sure you don't.

So, drive safely, OK?

Signed,

Your friendly tail light chaser
 
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Again my point is not seen :rolleyes:

You keep talking about speeding. Yes speeding does indanger yourself and others. THATS NOT WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!

If I'm speeding in a high traffic area and I get pulled over then I'll take my ticket and move on.

Answer my other questions about window tint and a front plate or my address being wrong. How does that indanger me or anyone on the planet :rolleyes:

Those are the money makers there. along with seat belt tickets.

And why do I as a grown man need someone else to tell me the best way to protect myself in "MY" own car. If I choose to not wear my seat belt because I feel it will do more harm then good (incase of a crash), who are you or the State to tell me I cant make my own choose in the matter.

Now just becuase you may be a "cool cop" does not mean you are the majority. 90% of the Houston cops are not like you. It doesnt take being on the job long in Houston to start feeling like everyone is a crook or scum because they deal with that type day in and day out in the "hood"

So now I have to pay for what they have to deal with.

Bottom line is... you have your opinion and I have mine. you are not going to type anything on this thread or any other thats going to make me change my mind and vice versa, so I wont say any more about it ;)
 
I didn't read evey post here, but I got a general feeling.

Here is my observation:
When shown respect, the LEO changes from Law Enforcement Officer to Peace Officer. When enforcement is out of the way and law becomes peace, there grows mutual respect.

Respect is a two way street.
dean
 
No, I'm not a cop...

Front License Plates: They ensure that EVERYBODY around you can see (from front or rear) that you are driving a car that is registered and likely insured. If some jerk with no front plate gets stopped and doesn't have insurance, then thank you officer for getting someone off the street that shouldn't be driving.
What everybody seems to forget is Driving in America is a privilage, requiring a license and proper training. If you don't want to play by the rules, park you car and ride a bike.

Dark Tint: I have illegal tint :eek: and it DOES impair your ability to see at night. There is no arguement there. Having reduced visibility increases your risk of having an accident/incident from the side of your car (for mine personally, my visibility goes out from 11 o'clock to 2 o'clock. I personally have changed my habits to compensate for this reduced visibility, and basically gotten used to it. BUT, Many people can not cope with this and it increases their ability to avoid accidents. It's also used by criminals to hide interior law violations (weapons, drug deals, etc.) I haven't had any problems yet and I've been pulled over with this tint 3 times (but both windows are usually down before the officer gets to my car).

In conclusion, I again want to state that DRIVING IS A PRIVILAGE, NOT A RIGHT! Show me in the Bill of Rights or Ten Commandments where it says "Thou shalt operate a motor vehicle unrestricted." Laws in society are required to keep the vast and responsible majority safe from the uninformed and unrespectful minority. If these laws keep some moron with black windows from nailing me at midnight at an intersection, then yay for the laws. If front license plates help officers get uninsured/unregistered auto operators off the road, then yay for the laws.
 
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