So I just picked up a Star Megastar in 10mm...

The closest thing to a Bren Ten out there is the Tanfoglio Stock (not Stock II).
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Skans: Don't know the particulars of the Tanfoglio 10mms that well ...

What's the difference between the 10mm Stock I and Stock II. (I'm aware the Stocks are upgraded significantly from a "standard" 10mm Witness.)

Also, between the Stocks & Matches, which ones are DA/SA v. SAO?

Thanks. :cool:
 
The Stock and Stock II are DA/SA. The only differences that I can recall are:

1. Stock II has extended frame/dust cover
2. Stock II has squared-off trigger guard
3. Stock II has a more flared magwell
4. The Stock has finer checkering; Stock II has more "aggressive" checkering.

I like the overall feel and looks of the original Stock. Both guns have the heavier cone-barrel system. Something about the Stock II doesn't look right to me - It looks like a race gun that was made DA/SA for some reason. Functionally, there really isn't any difference. I have to say, my Stock has the best DA/SA trigger in SA mode that I've ever experienced. As close to true SA as you can get.
 
Sorry guys, I know this is a little off topic but can anyone remember what Star's Beretta 92 clone was called? A buddy of mine had one years ago and it was a pretty nice gun, wouldn't mind tracking down another one for myself.
 
The most recent Fjestad Blue Book (which is only a general guide -- but one that gun shops use to stay real...) says it's worth about $400.
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...which is why you can't go by blue book. 10mm Megastars routinely sell for over double that on Gunbroker.
 
...which is why you can't go by blue book. 10mm Megastars routinely sell for over double that on Gunbroker.
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Other have made the same point: and clearly some guns are exceptions. It would appear that the 10mm Megastar is an exceptions. (That's also true of guns that are coveted by collectors... the BB is not a good guide, then, either.)

That said, I couldn't find any completed sales on Gun Broker to see how many 10mm Stars have been sold in the recent past, or how often they sell, or a typical price. There IS one out there now and the bids for it are up to $1700 with a DAY to go!

I would note that $1700 (and THAT gun will sell for more!) is what one of the new SIG P220 10mm sells for; that model comes equipped with both NIGHT SIGHTS and a red-dot reflex sight (either of which can be used -- they don't interfere with each other), so it may be one of the pricier versions. The NEW SIG will come with a warranty and available parts (such as mags). There's no question which I would be more inclined to buy.
 
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Blue Book is just a price source and it is the most likely source if you are trading a gun. The prices from it come from surveys of retail gun stores that buy and sell. I don't know how or if Gunbroker or other online services figure into that. The 10mm Star sounds pretty rare so I am sure prices vary a lot.

Here is an example of some of the online prices being out of line. One of the guns I was looking for was a GP-100 in 327 Mag. They routinely bring over $1000 on Gunbroker. I was at a local shop a couple of months ago that just bought a number of manufacturer demonstrators from Ruger and among them was a 327 mag, like new in the box, for $529. I bought it. Now you can view this as a good deal or the people on Gunbroker are just way over paying. It is all how you look at it. YMMV
 
Gunbroker is an interesting animal. The things that happen there can NOT be discounted -- they happen, they continue to happen, they are REAL. But they also do not represent the entire market.

However, for some folks savvy enough to know the market, there are simply SOME guns that should go to Gunbroker if the person selling it has, as #1 on his list, "amount of money someone will GIVE ME FOR IT."

And not all guns. Some guns.

Gunbroker is sooooo easy to use and some guys for whom time is far more scarce than money can simply get the things they desire without a bunch of time invested. (YES! I'm like most of you... the hunt and the chase is a big part of the thrill!) But to some guys, it's just far easier to pay 25% more than some of us would EVER consider, just to be able to grab up something they want. Gunbroker provides that.
 
Star's Beretta 92 clone

Don't think there's any such thing. Taurus has a 92 clone.
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well Taurus doesnt make a 92 clone
they started making the PT92 after they bought the Beretta factory in Brazil from Beretta lock stock and barrel (that included the rights to make the 92 under the Taurus name)
they improved it by putting the decocker where it belongs and continue to this day!

unless Im all wet...
and ive been wet before....:D
 
The high bid on the Megastar 10mm on Gunbroker was $1800 and the reserve wasn't met. Note, that gun had the Starvel finish and was claimed to never have been fired. Still, I'm surprised by the bid price and the fact that it didn't meet the reserve.

Up until Tanfoglio (and Glock) started making large capacity 10mm's, the Megastar 10mm was it - nothing else out there could compete. And, it is built like a tank that can apparently handle hot loads.

While at one time I really really really wanted that Megastar 10mm, I satisfied my desire by getting a Tanfoglio Stock. The Tanfoglio (IMHO) is a far superior gun. It's not as clunky, not as heavy, finer finish, better trigger, same capacity and more accurate. However, the debate is out as to whether the Stock can handle the pressures that the Megastar can apparently handle.
 
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It's not as clunky, not as heavy, finer finish, better trigger, same capacity and more accurate. However, the debate is out as to whether the Stock can handle the pressures that the Megastar can apparently handle.
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More importantly, they're still making them and you can get spare parts and magazines!!
 
well Taurus doesnt make a 92 clone
they started making the PT92 after they bought the Beretta factory in Brazil from Beretta lock stock and barrel (that included the rights to make the 92 under the Taurus name)
they improved it by putting the decocker where it belongs and continue to this day!
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Not a clone, but a very close copy except for that feature.

Tanfoglio, made their version of the CZ-75 with safeties on the slide (for some odd reason) and models with the safeties on the frame like the gun they were patterned after. Back then, they never offered a decocker. Gun makers do strange things... Some of the sights on those older CZ-pattern guns (semi-clones) were strange looking things.
 
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While at one time I really really really wanted that Megastar 10mm, I satisfied my desire by getting a Tanfoglio Stock. The Tanfoglio (IMHO) is a far superior gun. It's not as clunky, not as heavy, finer finish, better trigger, same capacity and more accurate. However, the debate is out as to whether the Stock can handle the pressures that the Megastar can apparently handle.
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Agree, and this reminded me of something I've been curious about for a while.

Given Tanfoglio's line-up of 10mm Witnesses/Stocks/Matches, etc., (imported thru EAA), I've long wondered why we never saw a 10mm entry from IMI (via Magnum Research) on the Jericho/Baby Eagle platform? ...

... It's not like they wouldn't sell any to 10mm fans here.
 
Tough to make a case why ANY gunmaker should produce a 10mm. Many, many potential pitfalls in doing so. And the argument that "hey, there are people that would buy them!" plays well in a forum full of enthusiasts but plays horribly to a gun manufacturer's cost/benefit/risk analysis team.

Smith & Wesson hasn't even sniffed at a semi-auto 10mm in twenty-two plus years and we all know they are in this gig to sell handguns. They also built (arguably) the finest and most viable production 10mm pistol in history. (Well, you could make a strong argument with Glock)

We 10mm aficionados often share a rose-colored perspective of this round and guns built to shoot it. ;)
 
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Tough to make a case why ANY gunmaker should produce a 10mm. Many, many potential pitfalls in doing so. And the argument that "hey, there are people that would buy them!" plays well in a forum full of enthusiasts but plays horribly to a gun manufacturer's cost/benefit/risk analysis team.
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I tend to agree with you analysis above, but SIG seems to disagree. They've just introduced four or five variants of the P220 in 10mm, and a lot of folks seem very ready to buy them!

SIG seems to have some sort of crystal ball that guides them to build all of the different versions of various models. (Just go to the SIG web site and see how many different P226s and P220 there are, without even considering the X-Five versions!!. It's mind boggling!) Their assembly line must be a lot like a major car maker's assembly line, with different models not really mattering that much -- and computers helping to keep things straight.
 
Certainly, my statement is not all inclusive and Sig seems primed to be the exception. But you must also note that the 10mm has been around since the early 80's and Sig finally decided NOW to go for it. Hmmm.

When Colt, S&W, Glock all did, Sig didn't.
When Wilson, STI, Nighthawk and others did, Sig had nothing to say on the subject.

I love that Sig has done this--because I am dedicated fan of the round. But I have almost zero interest in Sig across the board and zero plans to ever chase that pistol.
 
well Taurus doesnt make a 92 clone
they started making the PT92 after they bought the Beretta factory in Brazil from Beretta lock stock and barrel (that included the rights to make the 92 under the Taurus name)
they improved it by putting the decocker where it belongs and continue to this day!
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Actually, Taurus didn't put it anywhere. The PT92 is simply based on the original Beretta 92, like the two on the left...


 
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